It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

:V Is our [Shine] practically speaking.... inverted?

Max favor from the goddess.
Can skip relationship building and connection forming steps by the use of {sympathetic linkage}.

There is the note that grasp isn't a thing for it, it's simply knowing fully. Start at max grasp.
 
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:V Is our [Shine] practically speaking.... inverted?

It's not {Inverted} at all, it's the Chosen One Package apparently where your patron god is taking the base template and elevating it for your circumstances. "Doubled Gravitas Gain" is very nice.

On the other hand, it means we can't get Grasp or Sync with it because Aurora is managing those to drive them into the trans-mortal levels. Alas.

Still, [Dream] seems to be what elevates it from being merely incredibly good into being a monstrously potent infohazard in the making. There's just so much shit we have to do still T_T
 
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Also, it means the next time we run into an evil Spirit, we just die instead of have a chance to win.

Not really. We would pretty much have to take dissolution as the next dungeon skill, but we wouldn't be completely powerless.

Also, our expansions tracker wasn't resetted this time. Should we expect to get another ethos the next time we expand (by the way, with clever at 11 xp from the next level, we will definitely expand in the next update).
 
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Meta-Ethotic Control said:
> Can force Ethea sub-power growth within safe and unsafe thersholds. Cannot force past Thresholds without sufficent Gravatic Saturation.

I wonder if this ate some of the gravitas for [Dream Within the Forest] we would have had otherwise when we used this to expand Slipstream and Sympathetic Linkage.
 
Not really. We would pretty much have to take dissolution as the next dungeon skill, but we wouldn't be completely powerless.

Also, our expansions tracker wasn't resetted this time. Should we expect to get another ethos the next time we expand (by the way, with clever at 11 xp from the next level, we will definitely expand in the next update).
If I'm reading the sheet correctly then we'd need Tier 7 with 6/6 for the next ethos. So not yet. It'll be blocked at tier 6 6/6, once we reach that. Will have to wait for {Boundless Ethos} to go up a tier.
 
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Okay, knowing what we know now, here's what I've got in mind. This is largely the same as Triage 1.0, but I've iterated somewhat on the options and tightened it up a little.

[X] Plan: Triage after Calamity, Mark 2
-[X] [TLatS] You ran down the one responsible, suppressed her and sealed her away within your {Locus}, since actually slaying her seemed beyond the abilities of anyone you know--what with the whole 'Regenerating from a torn off head' thing she had going on. You've determined by now that she was operating under heavy mental influence--you're not certain yet if it was Flow, Oath, or something you've not heard of before, but in the process of sealing her, you've cut her off from the source of the effect, and the power you used to restore your Father to health appears to be working on correcting the damage. Blaming a victim for being subject to an attack is not something you want to get into the habit of doing--that isn't justice but just wild vengeance. Make use of {Affective Radiance} as required to help grease the wheels as you provide this story. If you can get Martin into confidence, go into more detail--she was possessed by some kind of evil Spirit that lunged out when you got the advantage on her, and severed her link to it with one of your less understood abilities.
-[X] [CaT] Harm Reduction should be the order of the day. Using this power to get 'Whatever you Want' is a good way to find yourself separated more than you're comfortable with from people--something that's not a good look, since even Aurora seems to make it a point to feel all the bad stuff even if she can't do anything about it. Using it instead to appeal to the better nature of others? To save innocents who are victims of circumstance rather than wickedness? To aid those who are lashing out from nobody reaching out a hand? To grant strength to those who would otherwise allow their leaders to drag them into atrocity, be it out of fear or misguided loyalty? That's how this should be used, not to bend others to your will.
-[X] [WaL] No, Evie should turn off Hybrid Siphon and Rest. In fact, there must be something you can do to help her recover--you refuse to believe she's entirely disconnected from everything when she's still connected to you. Consult with Petal, make use of your Relations Links as the two of you work out a solution to help stabilize your weird jellyfish-kite friend. {Hope-Shock} seems like it might have some effect when those links are made, and while you still don't know how {Thread Compression} works as well as some of your other base powers it still helps make you better, maybe it'll help stabilize her own wounds? You still have work to do in the real world, so once you can feel something having an effect, you can leave the monitoring to Petal while you see what you can do for your family. Remember you have {Meta-Ethotic Control}, maybe see if that can help you gain insight on how to maximize Evie's chances along with {Tremendous Mechanist}?
-[X] [TowCA] Leave the door closed, for now.
-[X] [TNA] Valerie called me 'Bloomling', like it meant something. The hillock out west, the secret of my name. I have already put it off too long.
-[X] [TNA] Captain Martin had something he wanted me to do that he felt was important even after discovering the truth about me. I should follow up on that.
-[X] [TMo] I decided I would take a risk with the Madam. It didn't feel right to turn her away.
--[X] You might have just gotten swiped by one of those looming dangers that she seemed to be scared about. Even if she's not exceptional, she still knows more about Concordance than you do--and another set of eyes looking forward might catch something you missed. She knows enough to destroy you and she hasn't yet--and frankly, you've heard of far worse motivations than self-preservation for taking a chance.
-[X] [MnM] Myah's witnessed a lot of crazy nonsense, but if she still wants to be with you after you bring her up to date on the... Everything... You could use a friend more than anything else--if someone asks, you can just call her your assistant, but... Yeah.
-[X] [MRL] Soul Link Evie.
-[X] [AC] FAMILY TRIAGE: {Rest State} Is apparently effective against Valerie in the long run, but she's the source of the fuckery. Maybe see if {Rest State} combined with the {Hope-Shock} is enough to jar the Command loose before you do anything more experimental? Observe to see if you can identify how Valerie did it with your current suite of sensors. If you can identify the anchor of the effect, can you sever it like you did the evil spirit? Hopefully without hurting them? Keep talking while you're going on, as long as you can be assured there's no eavesdroppers around anyway--they kind of saw everything by this point, and... Uh, yeah. Additionally, maybe you can see if {Ply The Line} could be of any help nudging the odds of a successful treatment? If we still haven't found a solution by the time the Watch gets in, maybe see if that Yola lady can help if you can link with her?
-[X] [AC] Experiment with the possibility of using the Dreamspace as a meeting place with your allies, an absolutely secure place to communicate is priceless
-[X] [AC] Going to Kaymie at this point is reckless, not when we needed Evie's help to avoid... Something awful the last time we tried to trace back something related to Senus, but once we have settled things here, and familiarized ourselves with our new Ethos... Well, a lot can change before then.
-[X] [AC] As sad as it seems, we are part of the problem with Zach. We can't fix this directly... But between all of our other skills, we... might be able to nudge things a bit. When our Weight allows for it, interrogate [The Ladder] regarding a route to help address his concerns, ideally without needing to break anyone's will. You've literally just gotten feel good mind powers, there has to be some way you can slightly nudge things to help him be in a better position to cope when the Ethos comes in, because you just had to deal with one child turned into a monster by eldritch powers beyond your ken and she didn't need to die either. If you can't match that with Zach--then what was the point of all of this? Maybe see if we can help get mom involved to nudge dad? Would that hide our hand in it?
-[X] [AC] Mom is a frightfully high level Flow user, just ask her if she has any insight on how it works when you can.
-[X] [AC] Slowly dial down on your use of {Affective Radiance} on yourself as you feel more capable of coping with the... Stuffness that had happened. When you have a moment to breathe, just let yourself process everything that's gone on--as bad as it feels, it'll just get worse if you keep it hammered down forever, and you don't want to be someone who completely loses touch with their origin.
 
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If I'm reading the sheet correctly then we'd need Tier 7 with 6/6 for the next ethos. So not yet. It'll be blocked at tier 6 6/6, once we reach that. Will have to wait for {Boundless Ethos} to go up a tier.

Nah I think Aurora essentially gave us a "freebie" ethos with the whole Scene there so it simply went to 5/6 rather than reset fully. Like every time we get to X/X on boundless ethos we get a new ethos (eventually) so I wouldnt imagine this would change at all.
 
If I'm reading the sheet correctly then we'd need Tier 7 with 6/6 for the next ethos. So not yet. It'll be blocked.

Normally the counter returned to zero after it reached the boundless ethos threshold. When that happened, we always gained a new ethos. This time we are at 5/6, which may means we are an expansion away from the next ethos choice.
 
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Nah I think Aurora essentially gave us a "freebie" ethos with the whole Scene there so it simply went to 5/6 rather than reset fully. Like every time we get to X/X on boundless ethos we get a new ethos (eventually) so I wouldnt imagine this would change at all.
We get a pick of ethos, in chapter, when the counter is "tier x+1, x/x". After the ethos shows up on the character sheet it becomes "tier x+1, x/x+1". If it's "tier x, x/x" then it is blocked.
Which is what happened. I'm looking at the previous days and it's all the same. Like when we had our ethos at "tier 4 (blocked), 4/4". We got a choice for ethos when it became "Tier 5, 4/4" and after having picked the ethos it became "Tier 5, 4/5".

Exactly the same as our current situation. It wasn't a freebie. It'll be "Tier 6 (blocked), 6/6" soon enough. Till we get to "Tier 7, 6/6", which will be when we get to pick a new ethos and it will become "Tier 7, 6/7".

Unless there is a counter somewhere that my eyes keep glossing over.
 
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We get a pick of ethos, in chapter, when the counter is "tier x+1, x/x". After the ethos shows up on the character sheet it becomes "tier x+1, x/x+1". If it's "tier x, x/x" then it is blocked.
Which is what happened. I'm looking at the previous days and it's all the same. Like when we had our ethos at "tier 4 (blocked), 4/4". We got a choice for ethos when it became "Tier 5, 4/4" and after having picked the ethos it became "Tier 5, 4/5".

Exactly the same as our current situation. It wasn't a freebie. It'll be "Tier 6 (blocked), 6/6" soon enough. Till we get to "Tier 7, 6/6", which will be when we get to pick a new ethos and it will become "Tier 7, 6/7".

Unless there is a counter somewhere that my eyes keep glossing over.

We've just been getting levels so fast. Note how in pretty much every other time, the left digit was green as well. This indicates that that went up, even when the numbers seemingly stay the same as with between 1.12 and 2.1. Look at when we were at 3/4 at 1.10. We gained 2 levels so we were effectively 5/4 but we hadnt had enough time for an expansion yet (and evie was essentially blocking it) at 1.11. Then we gained 2 more levels placing us at an effective 7/4 but we were dead asleep and leveling up right then. Then we gained one more level with evie. This adds up to the 4/5 in 2.1 when we finally go over the tier.

Look at 1.8 as well (We were at 2/3 then). In 1.9 we gained 3 levels getting us to an effective 5/3 (though limited to tier 4 3/3 since we had to choose our ethos choice). Then we gained one more level in 1.10 getting us to 3/4. No blocked here as well.

You just gotta count properly. The big difference here from other things is we just didnt gain 5 levels that fast.

Edit: also remember the blocked was initially because Evie thought it was going to have to consume one of our ethea to get [Tower], it is not a normal state and doesnt appear elsewhere. We were later able to get as a freebie, for the cost of drawing valerie closer. Its not a normal part of the process.
 
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In 1.7 it is 2/3 even tho we gained only 1 level.
That goes counter to everything you've said.
For your hypothesis to stand, it should have been 1/3 in chapter 1.7.


There is massive synergy between sympathetic linkage and shine.
Linkage being 20 grasp too, and how the legend talked of being connected and through teamwork getting to higher heights.

I think Lilly's best bet to heal both Evie and her family is to link all analogue healers, or those with relevant powers and for Lilly to direct them with shine and linkage, or her being directed. Or if it's possible read their minds, link minds together. Pull on everyone's instincts and knowledge. Use it all in communion, harmony, in a symphony.
Heh, of being a bit too verbose with it.
 
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In 1.7 it is 2/3 even tho we gained only 1 level.
That goes counter to everything you've said.
For your hypothesis to stand, it should have been 1/3 in chapter 1.7.

Hmm not sure but I still dont buy your theory as it doesn't make much sense. The left digit not changing is meaningful as it has always vhanged before, and the blocking was only a part of the process when it was explicitly being blocked by Evie. Every time it goes up it is because of an ethos leveling up and it being tied to ethea leveling up makes sense as it essentially expands our soul.

That particular level 1 expansion however was a Dynamic Shift and I could buy that being "special" enough to essentially count as 2 levels. It is known to be unique and special after all.
 
I'll close the vote tomorrow.
Speaking of the vote, I'm a little confused about the current vote count with how there are both plans and freeform-voting. And little worried that if people are checking the thread for new information revealed in the spreadsheet, because there hasn't been a new threadmark to alert them.

And Alectai, about this part in your new plan:
[MRL] Once all crises are settled and we have a moment to breathe, Soul Link with Petal. You need as much help in the waking world as you can get. If we need to link with Evie instead to stabilize her, so be it.
The intent here is that we check things immediately with Evie, right? Because her state seems to be deteriorating quite rapidly. Honestly, I'd say that it migth be better to just cut out the part with the Petal, and go for immediate and certain linking with Evie. Even if she doesn't need it to have good chances of survival, I'm not sure if Lilly can make an accurate judgement about it. And the more rapid recovery would be still very useful. Also, this has already 6 votes for it, more than your plans have combined:
[MRL] Soul-Bond (Evie)
Which again has me confused about how the vote will be resolved.
 
Hmm not sure but I still dont buy your theory as it doesn't make much sense. The left digit not changing is meaningful as it has always vhanged before, and the blocking was only a part of the process when it was explicitly being blocked by Evie. Every time it goes up it is because of an ethos leveling up and it being tied to ethea leveling up makes sense as it essentially expands our soul.

That particular level 1 expansion however was a Dynamic Shift and I could buy that being "special" enough to essentially count as 2 levels. It is known to be unique and special after all.
The only significant correlation I see is that the Tier corresponds to the sum of our strongest power.
5 essence from dream, 1 from bedrock > tier 6.
The pattern there is unbroken so far.
Which will be annoying to disprove, assuming we gain multiple essence levels and the tiers stop being in synch. Or it goes up without essence ethos levels.
Edit: it does not match up with chapter 1.1 and 1.2. Boundless should have been at tier 0. So this can be counted unlikely to be accurate.
Edit 2: o bio, missed way more then that.


My hypothesis states the conditions for getting a new ethos choise. "Tier x+1, x/x". And it goes to "Tier x+1, x/x+1" after selection. This pattern stands consistent.
It applies to all new ethea, shine's included.
 
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The only significant correlation I see is that the Tier corresponds to the sum of our strongest power.
5 essence from dream, 1 from bedrock > tier 6.
The pattern there is unbroken so far.
Which will be annoying to disprove, assuming we gain multiple essence levels and the tiers stop being in synch. Or it goes up without essence ethos levels.

Easy to disprove this at least. Look at 1.5 where we had tier 2 with one level in dream. Or in 1.6 where we went to tier 3 with level 2 in dream. or 1.9 with tier 4 and 3 levels in dream.

My theory is quite simple as well. Each ethos level up iterates the counter as it expands the soul. Sometimes weird fuckery happens (like with this one or Evie blocking it) and a Dynamic Shift can be worth 2 as it is special.
 
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Speaking of the vote, I'm a little confused about the current vote count with how there are both plans and freeform-voting. And little worried that if people are checking the thread for new information revealed in the spreadsheet, because there hasn't been a new threadmark to alert them.

And Alectai, about this part in your new plan:

The intent here is that we check things immediately with Evie, right? Because her state seems to be deteriorating quite rapidly. Honestly, I'd say that it migth be better to just cut out the part with the Petal, and go for immediate and certain linking with Evie. Even if she doesn't need it to have good chances of survival, I'm not sure if Lilly can make an accurate judgement about it. And the more rapid recovery would be still very useful. Also, this has already 6 votes for it, more than your plans have combined:

Which again has me confused about how the vote will be resolved.

I have altered that bit on your request, it makes it clear that the Soul Link with Evie takes priority if all other measures fail to stabilize or improve her condition, if we can bring her out of critical condition with Minor Slots though and she's out of the woods, we go for Petal instead.
 
Why prioritize Petal over Evie when it's known that linking to Evie will help her heal?
 
Why prioritize Petal over Evie when it's known that linking to Evie will help her heal?

... It doesn't.

It says "Prioritize Evie. Unless we can stabilize and heal her with conventional methods and Lesser Slots, in which case, link with Petal."

TBH, I feel like the Soul Link with Evie is dangerous? Less dangerous that it was before we had [Tower], but we don't know if Ev'aclial left any surprises lurking in there, and opening a gateway seems like something she'd react to by mindstating Lilly more thoroughly than the original draft did.

If it's between that and risking losing her, I'll take the risk though.
 
TBH, I feel like the Soul Link with Evie is dangerous? Less dangerous that it was before we had [Tower], but we don't know if Ev'aclial left any surprises lurking in there, and opening a gateway seems like something she'd react to by mindstating Lilly more thoroughly than the original draft did.

Same tbh. I fear less about evaclial (some with her though) and more about the sheer Vastness of Evie compared to us. Tower and Bedrock should help, but I feel like this is potentially very detrimental to our sanity. I also fear that while a Soul Bond could probably help, I fear it could hurt her as well, by stressing her potentially. The process of bonding to her might be too much for her (but it also might be just whats needed).
 
TBH, I feel like the Soul Link with Evie is dangerous? Less dangerous that it was before we had [Tower], but we don't know if Ev'aclial left any surprises lurking in there, and opening a gateway seems like something she'd react to by mindstating Lilly more thoroughly than the original draft did.
Personally I don't think the danger would be in anything Ev'aclial might have left, she stripped herself down to the bare minimum after all, I'd expect the bigger danger is in Soul Bonding with a Deific entity in general, since she's very different from ourself and everything we're used to.
 
Yeah, TBH, one doesn't use radical, untested medical treatments unless all other measures fail.

That being said, if we can Insta-Soul Link with Petal, that'd be a good idea to just have two sets of hands working at things.
 
This is feedback from the tower that it could help heal.
2) Soul-Binding to Evie could yield benefits in that direction.
And then I tried asking if Cleaver could help with improving our healing actions, but Slyvena stayed tight lipped on it.
That will have to remain less certain Pre-Vote. You had enough info to have some instincts the Soul-Bond could help thanks to [Tower]. [Cleaver] doesn't have anything like that to lend you confidence before the fact.
I am certain cleaver would help a ton. Alas no one wants to vote for it.


That being said, if we can Insta-Soul Link with Petal, that'd be a good idea to just have two sets of hands working at things.
Doubling the petal soul binding, I believe it too would take a whole day.


... We had a skill reaching 100 in the same update. I think they may count.

Talking about chapter 1.7. there it is "Tier 3, 2/3" even tho just a single level was gained after new ethos. Not talking about chapter 2.3.
 
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Hmm.

Fair enough, I'll adjust then. I've also added in a bit about seeing if we can use {Ply the Line} to nudge our odds of successful treatment in the Triage AC section.
 
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