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Into that Vast and Unrelenting Darkness (40K Xeno Civilization Quest)
- Thread starter The Bird
- Start date
- Mature Sci-Fi Fantasy
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] No.
I trust Vlaahk more than I do this insane person.
I trust Vlaahk more than I do this insane person.
- Pronouns
- Him/He
[X] No
[X] No
Alright, look
We are clearly trying to get into Vlahak's good books.
Vlahak is surly and slightly paranoid.
If we do this, we may well not only reverse our progress but even worsen our relationship with him, by showing how much we value his input compared to an actual stranger.
Plus, we still don't know if the things in here are worth saving, or how viable stopping the Purge will be. Are they really worth good relations with the Autonites, who we have already slighted?
This makes me deeply dubious this is wise.
Alright, look
We are clearly trying to get into Vlahak's good books.
Vlahak is surly and slightly paranoid.
If we do this, we may well not only reverse our progress but even worsen our relationship with him, by showing how much we value his input compared to an actual stranger.
Plus, we still don't know if the things in here are worth saving, or how viable stopping the Purge will be. Are they really worth good relations with the Autonites, who we have already slighted?
This makes me deeply dubious this is wise.
I mean it is probably not wise but this is at least the start of the possibility of Vlaahk getting some consequences for all the diplomatic insults, so I am all for it.
This guy at least has the excuse of being insane, what's Vlaahk's excuse? He's a very sad robot because we did not prioritize his needs enough?
[X] Yes.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] No
chellewalker
President of the Water Seeker Fan Club
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Yes.
This is probably going to have issues in the short-term, but Vlaahk more than anything else wants to save as much of the Archive as possible. What Marjak wants to talk to us about without him listening... it's impossible to say for sure, but she was downright coherent this time.
This is probably going to have issues in the short-term, but Vlaahk more than anything else wants to save as much of the Archive as possible. What Marjak wants to talk to us about without him listening... it's impossible to say for sure, but she was downright coherent this time.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
[X] Yes.
Communication is the first step to establishing that we can and have cured the Logic Plague.
Communication is the first step to establishing that we can and have cured the Logic Plague.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ok but must we try to get into his good books though? It was one thing when he was 1/3rd of his entire species but were about liberate like thousands of them and the other two seem to like us well enough. Is having one member of a species dislike you while the rest of them view you as a savior really that much worse then having all them view you as a savior?
[X] No
…….yes?
Obvious failure of communication here, but from Vlahak's end, we promised to set his people free and then forgot about it from several of our own generations.
It'd be like telling a real life minority facing oppression and ethnic cleansing that we'll have their back, definitely… then sodding off for seventy years, and then being miffed when we find out that the now very elderly leaders we made our promise to have thrown in with our enemies.
- Location
- England
[X] No.
Yes would have benefits with Marjak, but it's... unpredictable how Vlaahk would take it, and him taking it poorly would be troublesome.
Yes would have benefits with Marjak, but it's... unpredictable how Vlaahk would take it, and him taking it poorly would be troublesome.
He is not a minority, he is not a part of our polity, he is a foreign agent we made a handshake deal with no timeline with who then 'did an industrial espionage' instead of registering some kind of complaint. It was just 'you passed my arbitrary timeline that I did not tell you about, time to steal your tech'. Pardon me for not seeing him as a hero of the downtrodden. I am going to hold him to the standards of actual diplomacy by which he is in the wrong.
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- She/Her
Is him having signicant political clout something that has to happen? As the saviors of thier race with presumably significant political clout amongst thier people ourselves could we not take steps to politically isolate him?
He's not a hero, but it's exceedingly obvious his sort is suffering. Maybe change it to a small peoples who've been utterly crushed by a natural disaster and need humanitarian aid that… never shows.
Either way, Vlahak has been explicitly called out as paranoid and surly by his fellows- but we fundamentally want to side with the Autonites, and his grievances, as jarringly as they were enacted, didn't come from nowhere.
If you want to get the Autonites on board, think like an actual diplomat too, and hold your tongue.
Don't make assumptions about our capacity to infiltrate and influence a machine world, especially in ways that won't then backfire on us dramatically.
The Directorate Fleet Academy believes Vlahak will be important. They have devoted far more in universe brain power to that scenario than this entire thread tenfold; ergo, they have a better grasp of it than we do.
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Suffering is not a catch all excuse for behaving like an asshole to your only allies. The Emperor screams eternal upon his throne and weeps for the fate of mankind, he is still a monster. Saying 'he's paranoid so we have to cater to him' is akin to saying 'he's a narcissist we have to kiss his ass', it is a problem he has, not his species, not the Teket, he has to the problem and if we tiptoe around him we would only be enabling him. Would you be Ok with killing Marjak to keep Vlahak because Vlahak will probably be more influential? That does not sound very moral and it may well be the outcome of No.
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The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Frankly, as much as Vlaahk is paranoid, the opportunity to free another major machine mind is incredibly valuable and one I think he'd come to understand. We unfortunately haven't developed the Logic-Cage so such an endeavor is far from ensured, but our general cybermancy has improved since then and having an agent with access to the Archive's systems and their full processing power available would make a broader scale cleansing of the station potentially viable. We admittedly spent a bit too long figuring out which rhetoric would work, but if we could get Marjak's processing power behind our data spirits and cyber-sorcery, it goes from "not happening" to "star trek long shot hail mary"