Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
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Once I read an analysis where the author was of the opinion Lelouch should have trusted the Black Knights even less, because there is no way the idea of "mind control" isn't going to make people panic and fear it. We don't have that here, but Ohgi and co. are still humans...worse, they are normal people fighting only because living in Japan, as Japanese, under Britannia was crap. I honestly think that, once Japan was free, they wouldn't have cared about the rest of the world at all. Lelouch tried to sell them his ideals of justice and freedom, but I guess they didn't stick enough. People, essentially, are selfish.
Just out of curiosity Enjou: if we reveal our face to Kallen, what we show her?
Reworked Sublectic Beast Invocation:
Sublectic Beast Invocation
Cost: 20m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 4; Type: Simple (Dramatic Action)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Obvious, Shaping
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Touch of the Eldest, Oramus World-Shaping Cosmogony
Oramus' nightmares birth monsters strange and beautiful. His earliest dreams were influenced by the madness of the Wyld, and the embodiment of everything that was not Creation: the first product was a shadow, a darkness that infested the war-games of the Fair Folk and Primordials. The Infernal sleeps for seven hours, entering a fitful nightmare that imposes a -1 penalty on her roll to recover Willpower. Upon waking up she kneels and speaks of the madness of reality in Old Realm, necessitating she know the language, performing a prayer roll of (Charisma or Essence)+Performance, of difficulty decided by the player. Her words spread as an invisible ripple through the cosmos, entreating a monster from the Beyond to rise and serve the will of its creator. The summoned beast is drawn bodily into the slipstreams of the cosmos, arriving (10 – Essence) minutes later.
This Charm replicates the effects of creating creatures through the genesis system as if using a master's Workshop. The monster has a Genesis rating equal to the difficulty of the prayer roll, with an Essence rating equal or lesser than the Infernal's and the "Enlightened Essence" mutation. The summoned being understands all commands the Infernal speaks to it in Old Realm and can execute those commands as though it had minimum Intelligence 2. Monsters are not obliged to obey their creator, but they automatically start with an Intimacy of loyalty toward the Infernal. The Infernal can also command the monster at a distance via successful prayers at Difficulty 7.
A second repurchase allows the beast to have the characteristics of a First Circle demon, from Willpower to health levels and Essence Pool, and bestows it with a number of Spirit Charms no greater than its Essence, whose thematics must be decided between the player and the storyteller. It also adds (the Infernal's [Willpower + Essence]) mutations points to its initial pool.
Better? I think it's best to leave the possibility of making Behemoths until Lelouch reach Essence 5.
Just out of curiosity Enjou: if we reveal our face to Kallen, what we show her?
Reworked Sublectic Beast Invocation:
Sublectic Beast Invocation
Cost: 20m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 4; Type: Simple (Dramatic Action)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Obvious, Shaping
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Touch of the Eldest, Oramus World-Shaping Cosmogony
Oramus' nightmares birth monsters strange and beautiful. His earliest dreams were influenced by the madness of the Wyld, and the embodiment of everything that was not Creation: the first product was a shadow, a darkness that infested the war-games of the Fair Folk and Primordials. The Infernal sleeps for seven hours, entering a fitful nightmare that imposes a -1 penalty on her roll to recover Willpower. Upon waking up she kneels and speaks of the madness of reality in Old Realm, necessitating she know the language, performing a prayer roll of (Charisma or Essence)+Performance, of difficulty decided by the player. Her words spread as an invisible ripple through the cosmos, entreating a monster from the Beyond to rise and serve the will of its creator. The summoned beast is drawn bodily into the slipstreams of the cosmos, arriving (10 – Essence) minutes later.
This Charm replicates the effects of creating creatures through the genesis system as if using a master's Workshop. The monster has a Genesis rating equal to the difficulty of the prayer roll, with an Essence rating equal or lesser than the Infernal's and the "Enlightened Essence" mutation. The summoned being understands all commands the Infernal speaks to it in Old Realm and can execute those commands as though it had minimum Intelligence 2. Monsters are not obliged to obey their creator, but they automatically start with an Intimacy of loyalty toward the Infernal. The Infernal can also command the monster at a distance via successful prayers at Difficulty 7.
A second repurchase allows the beast to have the characteristics of a First Circle demon, from Willpower to health levels and Essence Pool, and bestows it with a number of Spirit Charms no greater than its Essence, whose thematics must be decided between the player and the storyteller. It also adds (the Infernal's [Willpower + Essence]) mutations points to its initial pool.
Better? I think it's best to leave the possibility of making Behemoths until Lelouch reach Essence 5.
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I mean, the charm should have a default Motivation configuration, as it falls under
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Then I suppose I will make one, depending on the design of the critter. I said critter but it can be anything, even something that totally looks like a human.
So basically, if we build something that's very good at a task, it would be mainly have a motivation related to that? Something to keep in mind for shaping it's motivation
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That's right. Kind of like a First Circle demon: makes it good at a task, it will shape its life around that task. Of course it can also change and evolve on its own.
Something else I found out: Infernal Charms from Ink Monkeys originally made for Modern Age. Pretty nifty if I say so myself.
Well, as I said, the whole Geass Cult massacre didn't help him in the justice and freedom department once Ohgi learned about it.
That said, yeah, people are selfish. One of the authors of Exalted who was talking about Infernals had this to say: "Mortals care first and foremost about who's protecting them from the rest of the world and making their life better. Creation is not a world of psychotic ideologues, for the most part. It is a world of opportunists."
I was planning on showing her Lelouch. Enough people are against any outright lie because it might backfire later that there's really not much else to do. We're swearing her to an oath of secrecy with our anima, so we have at least that layer of security. We'll probably need to explain the oath to her after it happens as well, and maybe show her an Anuhle, so she knows magic is real and that the oath is serious business. (might need an Anuhle or two to regularly show themselves to her to reinforce the memories too) Lelouch wouldn't reveal he's a prince, though. That would be later. My only worry is that it might be a little OOC for Lelouch given he does have the option to put on a false face here, in which case the entire oath thing would be unnecessary, so some feedback in that regard from you would be helpful. (I do believe in the GM right to veto OOC options)
That seems fine, though I'd clarify if the First Circle demon creatures IS a demon or is just a mimic of a demon. Big difference there.
You're just going to make another Charm for Behemoths I take it?
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You're right. But ooops, I made a mistake:
I meant trusting people less.Alexander said:
Wouldn't she ask how we were in front of her when she receive Zero's call?
A mimic. You can give it the Creature of Darkness mutation, but that's optional.
That may be the best solution, yes.
Because Zero is not a person - it's an ideal. He doesn't just have Lelouch to command his organization, he has the means to influence Britannian politics and can take many faces.
Simply reveal it for the stage magic it was - she was listening to a recording. Honestly, compared to the revealing our identity that's just small potatoes. Just say we were considering doing that later if she earned our trust without needing the oath, but her group forced our hand so she's getting the deal she's getting now because of that.
Hmmm... I kind of like the notion of creating a new, unique demon each time, but that's just me. (maybe enforce it's uniqueness so that it can't be used for things like the demon spawning version of Spawning Pit Sanctification) Then again, making Creature of Darkness optional is advantageous because it won't be vulnerable to Holy effects.
So don't make a murderbeast unless you're REALLY sure you want to deal with a murderbeast for it's lifetime.
I'm not sure why we would ever make Creatures of Darkness, given a choice. It's pretty much just a weakness.
I am against telling the truth here. They are terrorist with low comptenance and a bunch of racists. They still think Japan Number 1!
Moreover, the reason lulu failed in season 1 was due to the deux ex machine that was V.V. Fortunately V.V doesn't know we are exalted let alone we are an infernal. There is absolutely no way he can know that unless he has connections to Malfeas.
And like I said, the only way Zero mask +LSD can fail at the same time is if we are getting abeaten by an E5 solar with the supernatural disguise destroying charm. If we get into a situation like that we should be dead.
Moreover, the reason lulu failed in season 1 was due to the deux ex machine that was V.V. Fortunately V.V doesn't know we are exalted let alone we are an infernal. There is absolutely no way he can know that unless he has connections to Malfeas.
And like I said, the only way Zero mask +LSD can fail at the same time is if we are getting abeaten by an E5 solar with the supernatural disguise destroying charm. If we get into a situation like that we should be dead.
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I get that. I really do. My inclination is to lie for now and just apologize later after we've proven ourselves. That said so many other people seem to be against lying AT ALL that I have little hope of a plan with a lie getting voted on - again, it's like people don't realize they're playing Lelouch as a Fiend.
And I'd still like @Alexander89 to give his opinion on whether Plan 1 is OOC or not.
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To be honest, it makes a lot more sense for any behemoth created by an oramus charm to be a Creature of Darkness by default. It's definitely the kind of thing The Sun would have made a blanket ruling on during the Titanomachy.
An alternative to the scarface idea would be someone who's clearly mixed race - more obvious than Kallen, who can pass for a Britannian.
Scarface works because even if it's a bit horrifying to look at we're still human and it gives a pretty clear reason for "we fucking hate Britannia".
For those supporting Plan 1, I'd like some justification as to why you think it's in character, especially after we decided in character that we might tell Kallen the truth only after she earned Lelouch's trust. Part of me feels like we're just going back on that because 'oh my god lies might backfire'. Telling the truth could backfire too, and Lelouch knows it - Kallen might take the oath, tell someone anyways because she doesn't take it seriously, and then end up dead, crippled, or otherwise ruined because she botches at a critical moment.
Also, how about this for along term strategy with a false fase: we try to get Kallen to trust Lelouch (at school) and if she makes a gesture that indicates trust, we come clean to her that we're Zero. (a suitable gesture might be taking a risk to recruit Lelouch into the Black Knights, for instance)
Scarface works because even if it's a bit horrifying to look at we're still human and it gives a pretty clear reason for "we fucking hate Britannia".
For those supporting Plan 1, I'd like some justification as to why you think it's in character, especially after we decided in character that we might tell Kallen the truth only after she earned Lelouch's trust. Part of me feels like we're just going back on that because 'oh my god lies might backfire'. Telling the truth could backfire too, and Lelouch knows it - Kallen might take the oath, tell someone anyways because she doesn't take it seriously, and then end up dead, crippled, or otherwise ruined because she botches at a critical moment.
Also, how about this for along term strategy with a false fase: we try to get Kallen to trust Lelouch (at school) and if she makes a gesture that indicates trust, we come clean to her that we're Zero. (a suitable gesture might be taking a risk to recruit Lelouch into the Black Knights, for instance)
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You mean this?
It's not OOC, but Lelouch would be extremely reticent about showing Kallen his face. More than the oath, he would assign an Anuhle guarding her: she may values her skills, but anything that endanger Nunnally will not be tolerated.
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And thats the crux of the matter. Lelouch by showing his face involves Nunally no matter how tangentially and thats really damn OOC. I'm for lying in this case, its IC and probably the better choice. We can probably try to enforce loyalty with derangements later on. Kinda against SB/SV's tendency to always reveal our character has superpowers as soon as possible.
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To be clear, it's perfectly doable to convince them to trust Zero without revealing Lelouch's face, even more if the "speech" is a bit more polite than the canon one. It's not as if Ohgi and co have high MDV, and you can likely guess their Intimacies.
Of course, the fact they aren't likely to trust a no-face leader means there is an External Penalty of -1. It would be -2, but luckily the extra Sutherlands are a nice equivalent of the Suzaku's rescue, even if not as big.
Of course, the fact they aren't likely to trust a no-face leader means there is an External Penalty of -1. It would be -2, but luckily the extra Sutherlands are a nice equivalent of the Suzaku's rescue, even if not as big.
Ok, that helps. I think I can work with that to social-fu it in using the Oramus Excellency.