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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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Hm...what does the quest think Kallen would be as a lunar? I don't mean caste but animal

(not bunny...though that would amusing)
 
cyberswordsmen said:
If they are important enough to play a role in the plot as more than a piece of scenery (faceless mook, random commoner) then they are heroic.
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That's not how Extras work. The categorization is to deal with foes who, in the context of the combat they're in, are faceless and individually irrelevant in a fight with the protagonists. Yes, the book says 'nameless and faceless,' but that's not a requirement; it is a general description of their threat class; that is to say, 'animate scenery to show off against' and 'chaff to force you to burn motes.' Gods and Exalts can also be Extras, if the scenario calls for it.

Tamaki isn't an Extra, you're right; he actually plays an individual role in combat scenes. But the fact that he has a name is only tangential to his classification.
 
notthepenguins said:
That's not how Extras work. The categorization is to deal with foes who, in the context of the combat they're in, are faceless and individually irrelevant in a fight with the protagonists. Yes, the book says 'nameless and faceless,' but that's not a requirement; it is a general description of their threat class; that is to say, 'animate scenery to show off against' and 'chaff to force you to burn motes.' Gods and Exalts can also be Extras, if the scenario calls for it.

Tamaki isn't an Extra, you're right; he actually plays an individual role in combat scenes. But the fact that he has a name is only tangential to his classification.
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If an exalt or god isn't important enough to effect the plot and doesn't have a name they will be an extra. If they are just X's solar/god minion they would be an extra.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
If an exalt or god isn't important enough to effect the plot and doesn't have a name they will be an extra. If they are just X's solar/god minion they would be an extra.
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This is correct but does not fully encompass what an extra is. Someone having a name or not is a convenient shorthand for what makes them an Extra, but it is not actually what defines them as an Extra.
 
notthepenguins said:
This is correct but does not fully encompass what an extra is. Someone having a name or not is a convenient shorthand for what makes them an Extra, but it is not actually what defines them as an Extra.
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I suppose it isn't them having a name but it being important enough that the players bother to remember it. If the players start focusing on a character they aren't really an extra anymore even if the GM planned for them to be one.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
I suppose it isn't them having a name but it being important enough that the players bother to remember it. If the players start focusing on a character they aren't really an extra anymore even if the GM planned for them to be one.
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Still not true. What I said up above, about 'scenery to show off against' and 'chaff to force you to spend motes' is a paraphrase of the actual rules descriptions of Extras. It's a concept specific to combat relevance, not some sort of metaphysical statement of narrative weight.

Now, Heroic versus Non-Heroic is a (poorly defined) thing, but that's a separate matter.
 
notthepenguins said:
Still not true. What I said up above, about 'scenery to show off against' and 'chaff to force you to spend motes' is a paraphrase of the actual rules descriptions of Extras. It's a concept specific to combat relevance, not some sort of metaphysical statement of narrative weight.

Now, Heroic versus Non-Heroic is a (poorly defined) thing, but that's a separate matter.
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Oh I think I see where the disagreement is. I am using extra's in the greater context of the entire roleplaying system and extra is used in a lot of places other than combat and my definition is generalized for all those uses. For examples one of the Verdant Emptiness Endowment upgrades makes it so extras can receive benefits of the charm even when in xp debt.

You seem to just be using them in the context of combat, where the less nuanced usage works.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
You seem to just be using them in the context of combat, where the less nuanced usage works.
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The corebook definition of them is in the combat section. It is a distinction that (outside of VEE's weirdness and a handful of other also-Infernal Charms) only has an effect in combat. Aside from those significant outlier Charms, the game as a whole does not treat Extras as a distinct metaphysical category, and even if it does you can't shove someone out of that category by simply asking their names.

Exalted 2E does have rules that are not abstractions. Charms are frequently referred to as in-setting things, for instance. Being Heroic literally means you run on (slightly) different rules. The attributes and abilities, damage ratings, health levels, and so on, are not actual in-setting physics. They are abstractions.
 
GilliamYaeger said:
Worst case scenario: The airsoft club is these nutjobs:

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o_O :evil:
Krain said:
Ebon Dragon: Now, for Lelouch, I sha-
Oramus: Yo.
Eddy: ...No. Oh please no, I would surely remember if we made the universe this cruel.
Oramus: Remember that time I helped ya out, little bro?
Eddy: ...Yes.
Oramus: Calling that in now, this Lelouch kid is mine, throw a party because Best Dragon is now part of this Reclamation biznes.
Eddy: Primordialdammit this is just like with AdorjanI mean of course big brother.
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In the middle of reading this my sides had reached terminal velocity

Enjou said:
Ok, wrote up an omake. It explains some things about the Exalted ability system for the uninitiated and has some comedy at the end.

Growing Pains​

Lelouch stared at his ceiling as he tried to get to sleep. To say the day of his Exaltation had been stressful was an understatement. Even if he felt bone tired his mind was still unable to stop thinking about everything and trying to adjust his plans. It would be a while before he could actually be asleep, so he figured he might as well be productive.

"Seyrun."

"Yeah, Boss?"

"The Exaltation allows for me to grow indefinitely, right? How exactly does that work?"

"Ah, right, let me get my notes... there they are. So, yeah, so try feeling deep in your gut and see if you can find some untapped potential."

"Untapped potential? What does that even..." as Lelouch questioned what he was being asked to find he managed to find it all the same. "Oh, there it is. I guess. Interesting. Feels like there's quite of bit of it."

"Really? Your Exaltation should have used everything you already had to round you out a bit. Then again it's been an eventful day, so I guess you may have gotten more from all that."

"Round me out? What do you mean by that?"

"Hmmm... ah, I know. Have you noticed if you're a little stronger or a little faster? Or maybe you've gotten a bit better at something?"

Lelouch thought about it for a moment, noting that the walk to Clovis's mobile command center hadn't really made him as tired as he'd normally get on such a long walk. He'd never been good at physical activities, often having to go to remedial gym classes in spite of him never really improving much. "Yes, I think so."

"Right, so Exalts aren't quite like normal mortals. They grow in leaps, going from one level to the next with no apparent inbetween. Are you following?"

"Yes, I think so. So my physical stamina was rounded up?"

"Yeah, exactly. I'd say you're probably around the level of a normal human right now in that category, Boss."

"That's quite convenient. Well then, how do I use this untapped potential I've got in me?"

"Right, well, you'll need to focus it in the direction you want to improve. Sometimes you can get the benefits pretty quickly, sometimes you have to train or perform special actions. You should be able to intuit which is which and how long it should take, but generally speaking improving your base capabilities will take some time and any abilities you don't have an intrinsic talent for will require training."

"Alright, I get it. So if I wanted to say, improve my skill with piloting Knightmares, I could do that?"

"Yes, you could do that. But that's rather specific knowledge. You could instead invest a bit more potential into your ability to drive anything that can be driven, and it would work similarly."

"Anything that can be driven? How the hell does that work?"

"Well, Boss, it's kind of complicated. I guess the best way to explain it is that every Exalt has a form of super intuition. Even if you had no training or experience with something, you'd probably do better than any mortal who was in the same boat by sheer virtue of being able to intuit the basics of the task at hand."

"That's..."

"Yeah, bullshit, I know. Anyways, all skills, knowledge, and the like can be put into twenty five different categories."

Lelouch's eyes widened. Every skill in all of existence fit into such a small number of categories? "What are those categories, then?"

"Right... they are Archery, Martial Arts, Melee, Thrown, War, Integrity, Performance, Presence, Resistance, Survival, Craft, Investigation, Lore, Medicine, Occult, Athletics, Awareness, Dodge, Larceny, Stealth, Bureacracy, Linguistics, Ride, Sail, and Socialize. Modern firearms fall under Archery and most small vehicles fall under Ride."

"Ok, so because I have this form of super intuition..."

"The things you were already good at before your Exaltation you're now better at in general. For example, you clearly studied how to wage war before you Exalted given how well you commanded those terrorists earlier today. Now that you're an Exalt, you could easily grasp how to command a military tactics are utterly unfamiliar to you, or play a strategy game that mimics war in some fashion that you've only just learned the rules of like you had been playing for years. Pretty neat, huh Boss?"

Lelouch was dumbfounded. This was just so... broken. Not that he was complaining, of course. Settling his thoughts, he decided on a plan of action.

"Well, Seyrun, as you said earlier I don't really have much in the way of combat skills, which could easily get us killed one day. I think we should rectify that."

"I approve very much of that idea, Boss. Not dying is always a good plan."

Lelouch grabbed some of his untapped potential, and began to shape it.

--- The Next Day, After School ---

"Lelouch-sama! I found you!"

Lelouch ran even as his legs burned from exertion. Lelouch dodged behind a tree, barely avoiding the shot. Lelouch returned fire.

"Ouch!" yelped the president of the Survival Game Club. "Hit! You're good at this for a newbie, Lelouch-sama. Are you sure you wouldn't like to join? We'll just have soooo much fun together!"

Lelouch had to refrain from visibly cringing. Ever since his Exaltation had apparently enhanced his looks the female population of Ashford Academy had become even more enamored of him than before. There was talk of an official Lelouch Fan Club forming... and Milly was considering giving it a budget.

"No, I'm fine. As I said, I'm just going to be doing surprise inspections on club activities at Milly's request. Once the week is over, I'll be going back to my regular duties." The girl pouted. "Well, I might come play occasionally." If only because this was a damnably good way to train up multiple abilities at once. At least he hadn't had to train his Knightmare piloting skills - once he had woken up, he just knew that with his current skills he could have been a more active participant in the battle at Shinjuku.

Before the girl could respond, other members of the club showed up. "Found you, pretty boy! Prepare to die!"

"Crap!" Before Lelouch could run or dodge the male members all shot him. Repeatedly. "Hit! Ouch! Hit! Hit dammit!"
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Very good Enjou. This omake is now canon...while the Survival Game Club will be inspired by the video posted by GilliamYaeger.
Drak4806 said:
Oh you posted this here on SV.

When you brought up this idea on QQ I thought you would be posting it there.

Well now I've found it.
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I thought it was time to do something on SV,

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[X] Talk with Milly, exchange knowledge and info about your respective abilities.
-[X] Make sure you have a camera handy for when you mention your patron Yozi.
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[X] Talk with Milly, exchange knowledgr and info about your respective abilities.
-[X] Tell the Anuhles to resume searching for the Dragonblooded in the meanwhile.
-[X] Ask Milly if she knows of any Dragonblooded on campus first.
[X] Enjou's XP Expenditure Plan - Basic Combat Proficiency
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[X] Talk with Milly, exchange knowledgr and info about your respective abilities.
-[X] Tell the Anuhles to resume searching for the Dragonblooded in the meanwhile.
-[X] Ask Milly if she knows of any Dragonblooded on campus first.
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[X] Talk with Milly, exchange knowledge and info about your respective abilities.
-[X] Make sure you have a camera handy for when you mention your patron Yozi.
[x] Tell the Anuhles to resume searching for Dragonblooded and wait for their report.
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[X] Talk with Milly, exchange knowledge and info about your respective abilities.
-[X] Tell the Anuhles to resume searching for Dragonblooded in the meanwhile.
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I was going to write until you meet Kallen, but then I decided to split the update in half because there is something else to vote for: what kind of benefits you get from the Unwoven Coadjutor background. To be clear the changes used in this quest are:
Unwoven Coadjutor 1: Your coadjutor exists within you, cogent and willing to talk to you of Hell and what it sees. This functions as per the Mentor 1 background; what the demon lacks in ability to affect the outside world, it adds in willingness to communicate – its half-life is dependent on yours, after all, and so it is in its interests that you survive – and always being available. You and your Storyteller should stat up the demon suitably, as per Demonic Familiar 5; and assign an extra 5 Ability points and 3 specialities over that. The coadjutor always counts as a valid trainer for Attributes, Abilities and Virtues it has, up to its own limits. If your demon possessed worshipers, contacts, an army, magical treasures or other external benefits, it may choose to direct its Infernal to these, but they must be purchased as separate backgrounds.

Unwoven Coadjutor 2: Your coadjutor provides a number of "free" speciality dots equal to your Essence, which must be appropriate to the coadjutor's species or personal capabilities. These dots do not count toward the maximum number of specialities a character can have in a single ability – nevertheless, you still cannot benefit from more than three dice from specialities on any given roll. If you learn actual specialities that would invalidate one of these "free" specialities, you may replace the useless specialities with new ones the next time you sleep.

Unwoven Coadjutor 3: You are intermingled enough with your coadjutor that its presence in your soul lulls the creatures of the Demon City, their suspicions dulled by your kindred nature. Your social attacks against natives of Malfeas always count as playing off an Intimacy of theirs, lowering their MDV as normal. However, your coadjutor also provides you with a single intimacy, which counts toward your normal (Willpower + Compassion) limit. This intimacy is always appropriate to the demon realm and the coadjutor; a marotte coadjutor might provide a positive intimacy toward demonic craft, greasy hair, bezoars, Malfean architecture, human babies, Gumela, Jacint or Adorjan, or a negative intimacy toward idleness. This intimacy can be eroded as normal, but you effectively spend a scene renewing it whenever you regain Willpower from sleeping or increase a trait with the help of your coadjutor. Should the coadjutor's nature undergo a significant shift, so can this intimacy, though it must remain appropriate.

Unwoven Coadjutor 4: Your coadjutor is aware enough that it can apply its own alien attentions to your surroundings, providing you with a sixth sense. You benefit from two bonus dice to all Perception or Awareness rolls, including Join Battle, which do not count as dice added by Charms. This does not add four dice when making a (Perception + Awareness) roll.
You get all bonus from 1 to 4. This means you will vote for the "free" specialty dots (at this point two) and also choose the single Intimacy Seyrun provides to Lelouch. Seyrun's sheet (for what is relevant for the quest) is as follow:
Seyrun, the Assassin Leader

Motivation: To create an organization of assassins feared all across the Demon City

Attributes: Strength 3, Dexterity 5, Stamina 3; Charisma 3, Manipulation 3, Appearance 1; Perception 5, Intelligence 4, Wits 3

Virtues: Compassion 1, Conviction 5, Temperance 2, Valor 3

Abilities: Athletics 3, Awareness 3, Craft (Wood) 2, (Weaving Webs +2), Dodge 3, Integrity 1, Investigation 1, Larceny 3, Martial Arts 4, Presence 2, Resistance 2, Stealth 5, Survival 1 (In Malfeas +1), Occult 1 (Demons +1), Lore 1, Bureaucracy 1
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Think of him as being similar to the founder of the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim
 
Hm...I need to look up his demon race....but I almost want to do a intimacy towards cloth or something creative like that
 
Hm... Specialties... maybe something related to finding corrupt individuals? Make it easier for us to set up spies within the Britannian administration, while avoiding the same within our own?

And something for running an assassin/terrorist/guerilla organization?
 
Hmmm... for specialties, maybe two dots for Athletics (Climbing)? (being spiders, they're able to move along walls and ceilings) Or maybe one on that, and one on something else. Maybe Occult (Demons)?

An intimacy that might work for Seyrun might be cinnamon? He smelled of tobacco and cinnamon when he initially showe up. @Alexander89 - would that be an applicable Intimacy in this case?
 
Trivial nitpicking: "patron" and "Chosen of" generally reference your caste Yozi, not your favored Yozi.

Lelouch isn't Chosen of Oramus; he's a Fiend, not a Dement. He's Chosen of the Ebon Dragon. He favors Oramus. Oramus might not even know he exists yet, Lelouch just happens to be good at his Charms (which still doesn't say anything good about Lelouch -- this might be the spookiest possible caste/favored combination).
 
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