Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Now that the girls have tangible bodies
That suggests they have corporal forms…this cold be very interesting.

[X] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
Leaving him alone has not worked in any CG material, and I doubt it will work now that Britannia can claim they have the Mandate of Heaven (Asian concept) and while it isn't true, its close enough for government work.

[X] Interview him.
Diethard is useful, and we have more means to prevent betrayal. The fact we are legitimately a demigod for all intents and purposes and are becoming a world-god means that we can use that info to enslave Diethard to our will without using charms or sorcery.

Trying to figure out when Lulu took death essence from ghosts.

Just joined SV so I could comment and vote on this quest! I have a question for Alexander, should I put my comments in a reply her or a review on FF?
 
@Alexander89
"It's better this way Boss. No corpse, no chances of Hungry Ghosts happening." Seyrun spits. "Accursed creatures of Death."
I am confused. If the spiders can eat spirits how did the War Ghosts of Shinjuku come about? Wouldn't their spirits have been eaten with their bodies? The fact they also have no body which according to you is apparently needed to spawn the ghost just doubles the reasons for there to be a lack of war ghosts.

[Exalted] Normal Charms
some fun homebrew charm ideas. The Malfeas ones are especially humorous, and useful. Speed up lulu's learning speed for lore and Sorcery, and pull off some WTF with "I'm on a Boat!" version 2. I really want your Zero to learn the Viridian Armor x2 so he can learn the Vehicle Armor Charm you added to the list. 7 motes for super magic armor on himself and his Knightmare would be so cheap lol.
You definitely do not have to use them, but they made me laugh, so I thought I would spread the laughter here.

Will Lelouch eventually count the Green Sun Princes as siblings? Technically speaking, they are all the soul adopted children of Ligier, and with the Crysalis even their DNA may be changed.

How did Lelouch create new souls within himself? I believe there are some homebrew charms that can do so (and two for making your Coadjutor [or another demon] your Fetich Soul), but Lulu didn't use any. Was Shiro-chan (cannot remember the name you gave her) born when Lulu exalted? She is older, and the 6th soul was born when he was kissed (I am assuming), so that is the only time I can think of.

Do the Infernals have an imposed lifespan as they do in canon (I believe it was 150 years)?

Ouch!" yelped the president of the Survival Game Club.
I thought you said later on, that Lulu has never beaten her before so how is this omake canon?

Wish you created links to the Plans that were voted in. You do for some but not most.

Is Reuben Ashford a Dragonblooded? With his connections, and what you have said and inferred in this fic, I would expect he would have to be Exalted to pull off everything he did. If not, does he know of the supernatural? Has he had his Essence awakened?

Some grammar mistakes, I will do a review with everything I found if you want me to.

Will Nunnally Exalt as a Dragonblooded (or any kind of Exalted)?

Artifact (Key to the Infernal Gates - Any door with a Yozi's name on it): OOO
When did Zero get this?! A pretty good one from what I can tell. Where in Mafeas does it send him, or is it truly random? Do the other Yozi exist within the Demon City? Does it send him to an area of the Yozi whose name is written on the door?

I think Lulu needs to get some Demon Maggot Amulets at least for himself and his Peers plus talented subordinates.

Another idea, could Lulu convince the Yozi to ally themselves to Autochthon? That would give them access to hundreds if not thousands of Celestial Exalted (who can manipulate the Loom of Fate on Creation). In return, they could give their essence to heal Autochthon (with several Primordials worth of essence, he should be able to heal himself), and their word to respect (and not destroy without reason) his creations (after all, his creations managed to kill and beat the crap out of the Neverborn and Yozi respectively, so they are worthy of respect). This was the primary reason he betrayed his brethren if my memory of Exalted is correct.

@Enjou
Enjou did not speak of the Alchemical Exalted and their coming to Creation. I also believe he took some liberties on some events. If memory serves (and it has been years so it may very well be faulty), Sol Invictus was created not originally as Ebon Dragon's opposite, but for the sole purpose of having a being powerful enough to create Exalted that could beat the Titans. While it may have been presented as you wrote it, his creation was planned for the Primordial War. He also forgot the biggest stick the Yozi hold over the GSP, which is their enforced lifespan of 150 years. While they have the potential to become Neo-Titans…they have a small time limit to accomplish what could very well have hypothetically taken millennia of infinite essence contained within the Wyld to do…they have far less than infinite essence and millennia to do it. As you said, the birth of the Titans is left to debate; the only thing that is known is that they were born/created/started in a realm of (nigh- if not) infinite essence. Still that was a wonderful summarization of Exalted!

Crimson King Shintai
This movement effect does not grant the Infernal any special ability to dodge attacks and only takes effect after any attacks against the Infernal made on that tick have been resolved
the Infernal can reflexively hold any damage he suffers Elsewhere, committing one mote for a bashing level, two motes for a lethal level and three motes for an aggravated level.
You've never watched Hellsing, I am assuming (or studied quantum mechanics for that matter). If he holds them Elsewhere, and then deletes Elsewhere, it is as if he was never injured at all and never spent the motes in the first place. Realistically, this Shintai is, at the minimum, the Ultimate Absolute Defensive Maneuver which can survive nigh anything as long as the GSP can identify himself, since the power to be anywhere and nowhere simultaneously gives them the power to deny reality and assert their own version of it (within the context of themselves).

What happened to the Scarlet Empress? She existed in your world, since she (or an equivalent to her) activated the superweapon. With the remaking of the world, did she suffer the same fate as canon or is she dead? The Ancestral Mother of the Britannian Royal Family?

Definitely another stop to add to your tour of Malfeas.
Does he actually get anything from said library? It is mentioned he had the demon servant check stuff but never what happened with it.

Someone brought up not using colors associated with the Yozi …but would anyone outside of Autochthon (who is Elsewhere), Gaia (who is silent), and the Incarnae (who are addicted to playing GoD [Games of Destiny] and thus ignoring Creation) recognize them? The Sidereal? But would they show themselves to the Britannians and risk being enslaved as well? The Dragonblooded armies overcame 600 Celestial Exalted. Can 100 Sidereal top that?

It's not I don't like it, it's just that I don't think it's balanced.
I have to point out that the definition of an Exalted can be written as such: the opposite of balanced lol

She's lying. Part of it is just omission, but the rest is a full lie. You narrow your eyes, debating forcing her to say the truth with an oath...
Wouldn't she still be under her previous oath since this is happening in the same conversation Lulu Sanctified?

Will Lulu learn of the other side of the argument of the Usurptation, what life was like under the titans?

He's had three years
I am confused, when did it say when he Exalted? (and now I am confused about where this was from...found it, this is Akito.)
@Enjou would this quest be over if Akito has maxed phys stats (10 Str, 10 Dex, 10 Sta)? That would be Incarnae level bullshit.

'I have become a Prince of Hell
Technically Lelouch is not a Prince of Hell. The Demon Princes are the Unquestionables (Third Circle) while Lulu is only a Citizen (Second) with perks. It's in the title, he is a Prince of the Green Sun. Is Lelouch confused about his position or is he exaggerating it for theatrical reasons?

"And 'devil' isn't even a real being.
Rereading this quest, and I came to this and realized that that isn't true. Akuma translates directly into Evil Demon or simply put Devil, so in Exalted devils exist.

Thanks for this great quest and fic! Sorry for the huge back log :(

It's homebrew. One of Earthscorpion and Aleph's Pantheon charms meant as an alternative to becoming a Devil-Tiger.
Does not really explain what it does, only its original purpose
 
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@Enjou
Enjou did not speak of the Alchemical Exalted and their coming to Creation.

Because in this AU they haven't, at least to my knowledge. Whether they will or not is up to Alexander, since he's the GM and I'm not.

If memory serves (and it has been years so it may very well be faulty), Sol Invictus was created not originally as Ebon Dragon's opposite, but for the sole purpose of having a being powerful enough to create Exalted that could beat the Titans.

Glories of the Most High - The Unconquered Sun (the lore book entirely about the UC), opening paragraph:

"The greatest of the gods, the Unconquered Sun is the chief war god of Heaven, the divine ruler of the Celestial Court, and the patron Incarna of the Solar Exalted. Conceived as the antithesis of the Dragon's Shadow—which would become the Ebon Dragon after the Primordial War—the Unconquered Sun embodies not only light, but heroic virtue, justice and limitless perfection."

The original purpose of the Unconquered Sun was to act as the ultimate warrior to defend Creation against the horrors of the Wyld so that the Primordials wouldn't really have to.

@Enjou would this quest be over if Akito has maxed phys stats (10 Str, 10 Dex, 10 Sta)? That would be Incarnae level bullshit.

It would be a lot easier provided we could get him to do what we wanted. However, Akito couldn't have those stats unless he was Essence 10, and he's nowhere near old enough to attain that rating - you can't even go past Essence 5 naturally without being 100 years old, and even with Ascendancy Mantle of <Yozi> you can only get to one rating higher than your natural limit. You're limited to five dots of a stat until you get an Essence rating higher than 5 or have a trait that allows for it.

Further, it's not quite Incarnae level bullshit. The Unconquered Sun has Str 20, Dex 16, Sta 20, and Luna has 15 for her physical stats. The Maidens have 10, 15, and 10 respectively, but their mental stats are much greater than either the UC or Luna.
 
Because in this AU they haven't, at least to my knowledge. Whether they will or not is up to Alexander, since he's the GM and I'm not.



Glories of the Most High - The Unconquered Sun (the lore book entirely about the UC), opening paragraph:

"The greatest of the gods, the Unconquered Sun is the chief war god of Heaven, the divine ruler of the Celestial Court, and the patron Incarna of the Solar Exalted. Conceived as the antithesis of the Dragon's Shadow—which would become the Ebon Dragon after the Primordial War—the Unconquered Sun embodies not only light, but heroic virtue, justice and limitless perfection."

The original purpose of the Unconquered Sun was to act as the ultimate warrior to defend Creation against the horrors of the Wyld so that the Primordials wouldn't really have to.



It would be a lot easier provided we could get him to do what we wanted. However, Akito couldn't have those stats unless he was Essence 10, and he's nowhere near old enough to attain that rating - you can't even go past Essence 5 naturally without being 100 years old, and even with Ascendancy Mantle of <Yozi> you can only get to one rating higher than your natural limit. You're limited to five dots of a stat until you get an Essence rating higher than 5 or have a trait that allows for it.

Further, it's not quite Incarnae level bullshit. The Unconquered Sun has Str 20, Dex 16, Sta 20, and Luna has 15 for her physical stats. The Maidens have 10, 15, and 10 respectively, but their mental stats are much greater than either the UC or Luna.
Thank you for the replies. On the issue of Alchemicals, I was referring to canon Exalted, since you gave a canon history there (at least I believed so).
Did not realize the Incarnae went beyond the 10. In your post, you suggested Akito might have max phys stats, which I believed was 10 across (what lets someone naturally break the 5 to 6 barrier and is it different for Heroic Mortals, Terrestrial Exalted, and Celestial Exalted). I do not have any of the Core Books because I am poor (my first year of school I lived barely above the absolute poverty line [$1.25 a day], it was in no way fun), though I do have an electronic copy of the Alchemical Core Book.

Thanks for the informative review!

@Alexander89
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I am confused. If the spiders can eat spirits how did the War Ghosts of Shinjuku come about? Wouldn't their spirits have been eaten with their bodies? The fact they also have no body which according to you is apparently needed to spawn the ghost just doubles the reasons for there to be a lack of war ghosts.
So, humans in Exalted have two souls. The upper soul controls reason and knowledge, whilst the lower soul controls emotions and instincts. When a person dies, their higher soul leaves the body, heading to reincarnation or becoming a Ghost in the Underworld. The lower soul stays with the body, protecting its resting place. These animalistic lower souls are called Hungry Ghosts, and are more dangerous than normal Ghosts.

Using Anhules to eat the corpse will destroy the hungry ghosts, but leave the normal ghost alone since it's already gone.
 
So, humans in Exalted have two souls. The upper soul controls reason and knowledge, whilst the lower soul controls emotions and instincts. When a person dies, their higher soul leaves the body, heading to reincarnation or becoming a Ghost in the Underworld. The lower soul stays with the body, protecting its resting place. These animalistic lower souls are called Hungry Ghosts, and are more dangerous than normal Ghosts.

Using Anhules to eat the corpse will destroy the hungry ghosts, but leave the normal ghost alone since it's already gone.
In other words, it's the same protocol as burning bodies to prevent hungry ghosts from forming. Except with anthropophagy.
 
Ok, I'll try to answer where I can.
@Alexander89
How did Lelouch create new souls within himself? I believe there are some homebrew charms that can do so (and two for making your Coadjutor [or another demon] your Fetich Soul), but Lulu didn't use any. Was Shiro-chan (cannot remember the name you gave her) born when Lulu exalted? She is older, and the 6th soul was born when he was kissed (I am assuming), so that is the only time I can think of.
We're using Earthscorpion's 'pantheon' homebrew. The basic idea is you get a charm that turns your soul into a location. Then you can get charms that have the 'Pantheon' keyword (there's one for each Yozi), and then you grow a new soul who is influenced by that Yozi. This homebrew works a lot better when you're not just relying on the 6 canon Yozi.

Do the Infernals have an imposed lifespan as they do in canon (I believe it was 150 years)?
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He also forgot the biggest stick the Yozi hold over the GSP, which is their enforced lifespan of 150 years. While they have the potential to become Neo-Titans…they have a small time limit to accomplish what could very well have hypothetically taken millennia of infinite essence contained within the Wyld to do…they have far less than infinite essence and millennia to do it.
There's a bit of detail about this in The Broken-Winged Crane. Basically, the enforced lifespan is a secret, one that the Yozi created to stop the GSPs from getting overly powerful (as they can't get old enough to get above Essence 6 before dying). What the Yozis don't realise though, is that hitting Essence 6 makes the GSP strong enough to survive the cap for a while, buying them about another 150 years, in which they can reach Essence 7. This pattern continues on until they hit Essence 9-10. at which their maximum lifespan is 2500 years. GSPs can't raise their essence any higher so they die at 2500 years old....UNLESS they can manage to become a Primordial. They can do this either by turning into a clone of an existing Yozi, or, by learning the charm 'Triumphant Howl of the Devil-Tiger', which creates an entirely new primordial concept (and also REALLY angers the Yozi in the process).

....Interpretations differ on whether the person who created that Devil-Tiger Primordial concept can actually become it, or whether they're then doomed to die at 2500 years old, but leaves the next person to get their Exaltation able to use the Primordial clone ability on the Devil-Tiger concept they created (meaning the second GSP becomes a copy of the first).

Another idea, could Lulu convince the Yozi to ally themselves to Autochthon? That would give them access to hundreds if not thousands of Celestial Exalted (who can manipulate the Loom of Fate on Creation). In return, they could give their essence to heal Autochthon (with several Primordials worth of essence, he should be able to heal himself), and their word to respect (and not destroy without reason) his creations (after all, his creations managed to kill and beat the crap out of the Neverborn and Yozi respectively, so they are worthy of respect).
Heh, that's very unlikely. Both Autobot and the Yozis hate each other SO much. More to the point, they couldn't ever heal Autochthon fully. Autochthon's illness is a part of his concept. At best, they could fix up his current symptoms. Also, even with Autochthon on their side, it still wouldn't get the Yozi out of hell. It was the Gods and Exalted who imprisoned them.

As you said, the birth of the Titans is left to debate; the only thing that is known is that they were born/created/started in a realm of (nigh- if not) infinite essence.
We actually do have some info here. They formed as possibilities in the Wyld, and then Cytherea (whose concept includes 'certainty of existence') naturally forced herself into existence. All the other Primordials were woken into existence by her as well. The key here seems to be that the act of forcing a Primordial into existence doesn't take forever, but the 'concept' of that Primordial needs to also be invented. That's the hard part of becoming a Devil-Tiger.

Thank you for the replies. On the issue of Alchemicals, I was referring to canon Exalted, since you gave a canon history there (at least I believed so).
It was mostly canon, with some adaptations to fit a modern setting.
Did not realize the Incarnae went beyond the 10. In your post, you suggested Akito might have max phys stats, which I believed was 10 across (what lets someone naturally break the 5 to 6 barrier and is it different for Heroic Mortals, Terrestrial Exalted, and Celestial Exalted). I do not have any of the Core Books because I am poor (my first year of school I lived barely above the absolute poverty line [$1.25 a day], it was in no way fun), though I do have an electronic copy of the Alchemical Core Book.
Max human stats in Exalted is 5 for all stats and skills. Being an Exalt who is old and powerful (Essence 6+) can raise this maximum to as high as your Essence (so if you manage to somehow reach Essence 10, you can have 10 in your stats). Terrestrial Exalts and especially Mortals have difficulty living past a few hundred years, so I don't think this matters much for them. My memory isn't great, so it might not even apply to them.
 
Huh. You're correct. Ugh, that's the trouble with listening too much to other people. Eventually fanon manages to slip in. It's particularly pernicious with something like Exalted where there's so much sprawling data to track.
 
This homebrew works a lot better when you're not just relying on the 6 canon Yozi.
If memory serves, there are more than 6 canon yozi though. The Five coven Yozi, the Great Ignition you mentioned in post, and I know Oramus is canon. He has some interesting lore.
Malfeas
Cecelyne
She Who Lives In Her Name
Adorjan
Ebon Dragon
Kimbery
Ta'akozoka
Oramus
They can do this either by turning into a clone of an existing Yozi, or, by learning the charm 'Triumphant Howl of the Devil-Tiger', which creates an entirely new primordial concept (and also REALLY angers the Yozi in the process).
Why would becoming a new Titan piss off the Yozi more than becoming their Original Titanic Selves (and in some of their cases neither, since if we create new charms for the yozi, the yozi do not, and cannot, realize they had never known them thus I could see for some of them, it would be more like they remembered their breathren or twins and had just forgotten about them in their torment; others just not caring period)? I cannot see Malfeas caring much if Lulu becomes a new Titan...but if Lulu becomes a new Theion, then I can see pissed not even coming close to describe it.
Both Autobot and the Yozis hate each other SO much. More to the point, they couldn't ever heal Autochthon fully. Autochthon's illness is a part of his concept. At best, they could fix up his current symptoms. Also, even with Autochthon on their side, it still wouldn't get the Yozi out of hell. It was the Gods and Exalted who imprisoned them.
MAS=Mutually Assured Salvation. Auto likely would rather live than to know suffering beyond his Yozi brethren for eternity (at least as long as his Yozi brethren were under oath not to do the things that pissed him off anyway), and I cannot see the Yozi choosing to stay crippled and imprisoned/tormented over freedom, no matter the cost (the only exception would be Malfeas and that is only if his freedom came at his servitude or slavery to another...which also means he wouldn't truly be free).
All the other Primordials were woken into existence by her as well
Except for Oramus anyway...I believe Alex had a fun paraphrase for that on here, or the original writers did. Something like "Finally you guys woke up," I remember finding the tone funny. It was in effect because Oramus was Paradox incarnate and thus he existed before the rest and/or paradoxically existed before anything.

Thank you for expansive answer. Need to check if Alex gave us a link to his homebrew charms.

The Charm outright says "The Infernal is immortal, and needs no longer fear death from age." so that much isn't open to interpretation.
Are we immortal at Essence 9 or 10? That was what Frozen believed the cut off was, but is the immortality obtained at 10?
 
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Why would becoming a new Titan piss off the Yozi more than becoming their Original Titanic Selves (and in some of their cases neither, since if we create new charms for the yozi, the yozi do not, and cannot, realize they had never known them thus I could see for some of them, it would be more like they remembered their breathren or twins and had just forgotten about them in their torment; others just not caring period)?
Because there are new Titans not bound by the Surrender Oaths. Anger/rage heavily mixed with jealousy, imo.

Are we immortal at Essence 9 or 10? That was what Frozen believed the cut off was, but is the immortality obtained at 10?
No.
 
If memory serves, there are more than 6 canon yozi though. The Five coven Yozi, the Great Ignition you mentioned in post, and I know Oramus is canon. He has some interesting lore.
Malfeas/Theion
Cecelyne
She Who Lives In Her Name
Adorjan
Ebon Dragon
Kimbery
Ta'akozoka
Oramus
I meant canon charmsets. Those are the ones found in Manual of Exalted Power:Infernals and Broken-Winged Crane (Adorjan, Malfeas, SWLIHN, TED, Cecelyne and Kimbery). All others are homebrew charms which some people don't like to use.

Are we immortal at Essence 9 or 10? That was what Frozen believed the cut off was, but is the immortality obtained at 10?
That immortality comes from becoming a Devil Tiger, so it's based on when you get a particular charm, not Essence (though do you have to meet prerequisite essence to get the charm.) The age limit of 2500 years is still technically relevant if you don't want to become a primordial (which is important as if you did, you'd stop being an Exalt).
 
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Both. You can't become immortal through Essence Rating, only through Charms. At Essence 9 and 10 Infernal lifespan goes to around 2500 years.

If you want your Infernal to become immortal, you need to take Triumphant Howl of the Devil-Tiger, which is an Essence 6 Charm.
So if you get the charm at E6, does that mean you become immortal then, or is it the combo of charm AND essence rating?

Sorry for the inane questions.
 
biologically immortal. (other things can still kill you just as they could before, though)
Clinically immortal then.

If you do not get the charm, then does the age thing work as the other guy said. 150 years lifespan, but at Essence 6, it goes up to 300, 7-450, 8-600, 9-2500, 10-no increase?

Thanks for answering all of these. I am now trying to look up homebrews being used.

I just realized, but if the new souls require an existing Devil Domain and a Creation charm, how did they exist before he had Devil Domain and how were they formed without the charm?
 
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I cannot see the Yozi choosing to stay crippled and imprisoned/tormented over freedom, no matter the cost
The Yozis are very much not rational entities. The Ebon Dragon would sabotage the effort because he cannot do otherwise, Malfeas would take spite over escape, etc.

Delegating to mortals have some great advantages in that they're actually physically capable of changing their minds on some things...
 
Clinically immortal then.

If you do not get the charm, then does the age thing work as the other guy said. 150 years lifespan, but at Essence 6, it goes up to 300, 7-450, 8-600, 9-2500, 10-no increase?

Thanks for answering all of these. I am now trying to look up homebrews being used.

I just realized, but if the new souls require an existing Devil Domain and a Creation charm, how did they exist before he had Devil Domain and how were they formed without the charm?
First, the two new Souls existed in our dreams, in the same sorta real non existent place Senbrek lives in. In addition, they're not actually 'full' beings yet. Once they grow into their power (represented by us buying the Demon Creation charm and using it on both of them), they'll be full 2CDs that we can summon, rather than being voices in our head.
 
Most of it is present or linked on the first page of the thread.
I thought so, and I am currently going through the indexed pages for relevant details e.g. Pantheon Charms threadmark.

A random question which is probably no, but I am going to ask since you seem very knowledgeable about Exalted; can an Infernal receive the blessing (capability to learn charms of/from) a Titan or Neverborn?

Malfeas would take spite over escape, etc.
He would take spite, and thus servitude/slavery to the Incarnae, over freedom? I thought he represented thematically, being King of Everything (King of the Universe as a Titan). Wouldn't that mean the mere thought of being a loyal slave would be anathema to him?
Malfeas choosing spite is him choosing loyal service to the Incarnae, consciously or subconsciously doesn't matter in this situation I believe. This would require him to kill his Fetich soul as was done to make him a Yozi...and maybe kill his new Fetich and so on and so forth to bring him down thematically and conceptually to be able to do so.
 
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