Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Please note that in canon Suzaku literally starts to succeed. The zone was being made. Lelouch was going to agree.

If it weren't for a cosmic fuck up that no one was prepared for, Suzaku would have been totally validated and it would have been due to the actions of Zero. Another friendly reminder is that Suzaku and Lelouch are invincible once they work together. The way people rage at Suzaku is fucking laughable. He's one of the most relatable characters. The dream team of Lulu-CC-Suzaku-Kallen alone should have you all acting like piranhas.

We just need to magical therapy away his suicidal everything. And his daddy issues.

You should see the irony in this^
Not sure if we're getting CC 100% since we're not her contractor. Though I do want Suzaku on our side.
Except what you're voting for doesn't say to gather information...

That in no way refutes the thing I said. We can use whatever sledgehammer we might have if he does something, but there's no need to vote for it now.
Hence why I said 'prepare' and 'for when he's going to do something completely stupid by the new standards.' i.e. going full suicidal idiot.

Otherwise I'm alright with the slowly fixing him...well semi-slowly.
 
I see some people wanting to use brute force on a delicate issue a little too eagerly. And some of those more than others. Remember, even if we are an Exalt, brutally mind-raping someone who is your childhood friend into agreeing with you 'for their own good' doesn't always succeed.

Also, its mind-raping. It should be your last option (or not an option at all) for situations like these. Because brainwashing is what it would probably take to convince him in a short time period with the blunt method. He has very severe mental trauma surrounding issue, and now possibly evidence supporting his idea if things have gone somewhat like canon (which they seem to have according that quest-canon non-QM omake).

If he has currently personal positive contact with several high-ranking Brittannians, his suicidal tendencies masking themselves as dreams of a better world might find that he actually has a tiny but feasible chance of changing things from within.

If I would have to muscle in a write-in, I would probably throw in something about trying to find the cause of the trauma. Because by unveiling the underlying issue would allow Lelouch to work his magic better (both literally and non-literally). But I'm not sure if we need any for this occasion, and even if we did, it might be a bit too meta.

[X] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[X] Interview him.
 
[x] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[x] Interview him.

in cannon it was possible for him to succeed to an extent thanks to finding a patron, this is not cannon. In addition to a racism imposed glass ceiling he has an ability imposed one because a mortal is not going to be able to outperform a dragon blooded.
 
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[X] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.

Maybe when we change his ideal enough than he will exalted with the will to help us instead?

[X] Interview him

Better have him woth us than leave him to himself.
 
[x] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[x] Interview him.

in cannon it was possible for him to succeed to an extent thanks to finding a patron, this is not cannon. In addition to a racism imposed glass ceiling he has an ability imposed one because a mortal is not going to be able to outperform a dragon blooded.
You sure? Because some of the stuff he's pulled is pretty freakish.
 
[x] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[x] Interview him.

in cannon it was have been possible for him to succeed to an extent thanks to finding a patron, this is not cannon. In addition to a racism imposed glass ceiling he has an ability imposed one because a mortal is not going to be able to outperform a dragon blooded.
Have you seen the bs that canon Suzaku pulls off? If not for word of god I'd say he's already dragon blooded. Spins don't lie yo.
 
Have you seen the bs that canon Suzaku pulls off? If not for word of god I'd say he's already dragon blooded. Spins don't lie yo.

humans with awakened essence can get kind of nuts, but a skilled dragon blooded can outperform them. Suzaku is likely going to outperform just about every pure human, and some of the less talented dragon blooded, but he's not going to be doing so to the point where not promoting him would make the racism uncomfortably obvious.

so yes he's crazy good, but dex speced dragonblooded can do the same kind of stuff he can, and have a few nifty elemental tricks on top of that.
 
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humans with awakened essence can get kind of nuts, but a skilled dragon blooded can outperform them. Suzaku is likely going to outperform just about every pure human, and some of the less talented dragon blooded, but he's not going to be doing so to the point where not promoting him would make the racism uncomfortably obvious.

so yes he's crazy good, but dex speced dragonblooded can do the same kind of stuff he can, and have a few nifty elemental tricks on top of that.
Motherfucker dodged automatic gunfire at a full dash, ran up a wall, and spin kicked the turret firing at him. He is a freak of nature.
 
and? dragon blooded call that Tuesday. Someone who's blatantly superhuman stands out less when he's competing with lots of other superhumans.
Not exactly the point though.

But gosh, considering Suzaku in a normal world can do exalted type shit... just imagine what he's like here. Or what Suzaku could do if he exalts.

-Nina face dot jepg-
 
[X] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
-[X] If need be, prepare to use the metaphorical sledgehammer in case Suzaku starts doing something monumentally stupid even by the new standard's your setting for him.
[X] Interview Him
 
Suzaku is genuinely crazy. I mean, it's not particularly obvious at first glance, but the boy has not been well in a long, long time. Respecting his wishes may seem like the right thing to do, but quite frankly, he needs Exalt-level psychotherapy. Now note that I don't say this lightly, but it can pretty much only do the boy good.

Not to mention part of me is worried he's going to Exalt as a Solar and become even more bullshit, as well as resistant to any and all attempts to help him achieve a relatively healthy frame of mind.
 
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[X]
You learned today that your best friend has become the exact opposite of who he was during childhood. Not only that, he's suffering under the delusion that Britannia can be changed without smashing it into pieces first. There is no way you can recruit him for your cause as he is now.

[] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[] Leave him be, he will soon become disillusioned with Britannia by himself.
[] Write-in.

[] Leave him be, he will soon become disillusioned with Britannia by himself.
he will soon become disillusioned with Britannia by himself.
will soon become disillusioned with Britannia by himself.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAhahahaha ha ha ha....
*Glances back at the sentence*
GHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*Falls out of chair*
Gakhahahahaha *hack* hahahahahaha *cough* *cough* aha ha *cough* haah haaaa......


Oh Lelouch, you poor poor optimistic but naive genius.
God i needed that.

You know, i really want to pick that option just because it would probably get Suzaku everything that's coming to him but we all know that he's either going to exalt as a solar at some point or will awake his dragon blood and become a huge pain in our collective asses. Also at this point he's still "innocent", besides that one outstanding murder charge, and did take a bullet for us so that gives him leniency.


[X] Work to subtly change Suzaku's ideals until they align with yours.
[X] Interview him.
Because he doesn't even try to hide his huge man-crush on Zero so we all know how this is going to turn out.
 
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You know, i really want to pick that option just because it would probably get Suzaku everything that's coming to him but we all know that he's either going to exalt as a solar at some point or will awake his dragon blood and become a huge pain in our collective asses. Also at this point he's still "innocent", besides that one outstanding murder charge, and did take a bullet for us so that gives him some leniency.
Oh yeah if he exalts the sidereals would really like to use him to fuck us up so that fate can go as planned.
Which is why we need to remove any belief that this would be workable, so that if Suzaku exalts as a Solar or something, he's a Solar that's fully on board with the mission statement of "FUCK heaven".
 
Calm down on the Suzaku train. It has no brakes, so the risk of incidents is high :V

More seriously, if it comes down to an analysis of canon CG characters this isn't the ideal thread for it. Let's not derail.

Omake(s)? We got people around here who could do a pretty cool write-up. A few of them really, might be better to split that load honestly.
Enjou and others already provided great ideas in the past, I just need to put it into a coherent frame.
 
Honestly I don't see why people haven't spoken about doing things with our inner world, theres so many things we could do with it. Even if we can't bring things in and out, we could create a custom group of 1st circles to act as number crunchers like a room of monkeys with calculators.
 
It still feels a bit like a dream, but also like the alien reality of Malfeas. "All of this...exists within my soul?"

"Uh-Huh!" Anesidora vigorously nods.

That evening Sayoko has to thoroughly clean your room after you finish trashing it.
So uh...how and why trashed?
*Blinks* Would it be possibly to essentially fix Suzaku with the combined Exalted might of Lelouch, Milly, and Kaguya?

I mean I kind of want to see what Suzaku Exalts as and on the off chance it's a Solar...I'd really want him on our side, like a big eff you to his predecessor's.

And cause I'm not sure if we still have any room for Green Sun Princes after you lot went crazy making them :p
Can you imagine Milly making Suzaku more like her, Lelouch making Suzaku more like him and what it collapses into together?
 
Suzaku is genuinely crazy. I mean, it's not particularly obvious at first glance, but the boy has not been well in a long, long time. Respecting his wishes may seem like the right thing to do, but quite frankly, he needs Exalt-level psychotherapy. Now note that I don't say this lightly, but it can pretty much only do the boy good.

Not to mention part of me is worried he's going to Exalt as a Solar and become even more bullshit, as well as resistant to any and all attempts to help him achieve a relatively healthy frame of mind.
As has already been pointed out, he currently doesn't meet the requirements for Exalting due to being suicidal. As for the psychotherapy, this is unfortunately one place where we really could do with having a Solar on our side. The Yozi and their mental influence Charms aren't really so much about fixing mental issues as causing them...
 
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