We can't get it that quickly - it takes a month for Attributes to upgrade after purchase. As such we can only get to Dex 4 (which is still beyond what the most mere mortals will ever achieve, and might well be what Suzaku is at, or thereabouts) when we get the chance to spend XP, and even then it won't be ready for the next part of the story.
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We can't get it that quickly - it takes a month for Attributes to upgrade after purchase. As such we can only get to Dex 4 (which is still beyond what the most mere mortals will ever achieve, and might well be what Suzaku is at, or thereabouts) when we get the chance to spend XP, and even then it won't be ready for the next part of the story.
I'd suggest one of the charms we'd probably want is Cecylene's First Excellency. A charm that improves everything you do, as long as you make methodical plans? Sounds right up Lelouch's alley.
Only problem is they're freaking expensive. We'd have to pay for two charms to get it, three if we go to Essence 3, because you have to multiply the price by your Essence, and when your Essence goes up, you have to pay for the upgrade.
Though, considering most of EB's charms are hidden behind Witness to Darkness, we may have to do that, unless we want to loose all Charisma, or try and create an upgrade that removes Witness to Darkness's problem. Though might want to buy both at the same time, if we do it. Well, that is we should wait to buy Witness to Darkness until we have the other prereqs to buy the upgrade charm, so we can buy it immediately after.
Cecylene's Transcendent Desert Creature isn't much good itself, not for his present situation, but has no prereqs, and unlocks Stone Flayer Touch, Sandstrike Blast (which provides the attack we need) and Fingers Through Sand Defense, which provides a PD against physical attacks (at least as long as they don't have more Essence the Lulu.) Combined with Oramus's PD, Lulu would be safe from most things. Also, can get all of these at Essence 2.
Knowing the Desolate Heart would be good for a Social character as well.
Factual Determination Analysis would also be good, and it's Essence 2.
Only problem is they're freaking expensive. We'd have to pay for two charms to get it, three if we go to Essence 3, because you have to multiply the price by your Essence, and when your Essence goes up, you have to pay for the upgrade.
Though, considering most of EB's charms are hidden behind Witness to Darkness, we may have to do that, unless we want to loose all Charisma, or try and create an upgrade that removes Witness to Darkness's problem. Though might want to buy both at the same time, if we do it. Well, that is we should wait to buy Witness to Darkness until we have the other prereqs to buy the upgrade charm, so we can buy it immediately after.
Cecylene's Transcendent Desert Creature isn't much good itself, not for his present situation, but has no prereqs, and unlocks Stone Flayer Touch, Sandstrike Blast (which provides the attack we need) and Fingers Through Sand Defense, which provides a PD against physical attacks (at least as long as they don't have more Essence the Lulu.) Combined with Oramus's PD, Lulu would be safe from most things. Also, can get all of these at Essence 2.
Knowing the Desolate Heart would be good for a Social character as well.
Factual Determination Analysis would also be good, and it's Essence 2.
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Nah, we are more that covered with Ebbie and Orasmus excellencies, we don't need more. We have better uses for our precious XP. Like making sure we aren't defenseless in personal combat.
Actually, is different in this Quest. We just have to buy the excellency once, but we need to travel to Malfeas and convince the Yozi to open his charmset to us before.
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GilliamYaeger
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There's no way this bullshit is fucking Dex 4. I wouldn't be surprised if he was Dex 6 via merits.
Some things to know due to homebrew rules for this quest:
1. Charm repurchases aren't a thing in this quest as the GM doesn't want XP sinks. First Excellencies don't require repurchases. Any Charm that gets a benefit from a repurchase automatically gets that when we get the required Essence rating. However...
2. Charms outside of our patron and favored Yozis (Ebon Dragon and Oramus respectively) cannot be purchased by default. We will have to go to Hell and then convince the Yozi whose Charms we want access to to give us that access. This will require a minimum of one scene, but could be more.
As such we won't have access to those other things for a while.
I'm personally interested in getting the Charms for Malfeas and Cecylene. The PD you mentioned only works in Places of Desolation, so it's not exactly ideal for someone who spends a lot of time in a city. However, Malfeas's PD works in any place that has been cultivated for habitation or use, so it would be good to have as well.
Also, there's the Malfeas homebrew Charm that is the light version of Witness to Darkness and when both are taken the Infernal is not affected negatively by light or darkness, and does not suffer a penalty to Charisma or Manipulation but only gets a bonus of one die on their own social attacks using those and MDVs. As such on our first trip to Hell I think convincing Malfeas to give us access is probably the higher priority.
Ordinary humans can only have one to four dots on an Attribute. Dex 5 is noted to be "almost inhumanly swift and graceful". Suzaku might have a base of 4 and maybe some merit that bumps him up to 5, but there is no way he's at 6 as that transcends what is possible for regular mortals - even the Exalted can't go above that without merits until they are Essence 6.
Two other things to keep in mind. First, jumping is Strength based in terms of Attributes, so more than Dex comes into play there. Also, Suzaku likely has high Athletics - probably 4, given the descriptions given in the manual - so with that Suzaku's dice pool for moving that swiftly with Dex 4 would give a total of 8, which is a lot for a mere mortal.
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hooooollyyyy shit
I forgot how absolutly bullshitcode geas was what the fuck you justr un on a fucking wall suzaku stop
chocolote12
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Point of order: he just outran and then destroyed an automated machine gun with a delay of about five milliseconds. He's definitely at 6, because 5 is an "almost".
Just blame it on pattern spiders, I suppose, but it doesn't change the fact that this guy could maybe beat an Exalted in a fair race.
Edit: not counting exalted dice mechanics, just fluff wise, that is. There are so many darn exceptions that it takes all of the fun out of broad statements.
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Massive balance issues yeah. I'd personally go with the "fake the anima and aspect markings" approach, coupled to a generalized Shaping attack like Principle Invoking Onslaught you can use to fake the more overt skills of each.
As I understood, 5 dots was merely supposed to be rare, not impossible for non-Exalts. Say, less than 1% of the population.
Unless you're saying models and big time actors and actresses are all just Appearance 4? Or are they heroic mortals?
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Appearance 3 is already good enough. Actors rely more on Performance+Charisma with Appearance supporting
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Nah, that is 4 dots. 5 dots are rare. Like, one in 100.000 or less.
That said, Suzaku has Dex 5. His movements aren't human.
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I'm talking the best looking ones.
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He could be Rakasha, think about it and how he acts...
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Lol, that is actually quite plausible. He has the exact tipe of tragic backstory/unexplained hyper-competence that noble rakshas tend to have.
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You realize that Appearance 5 allows you to lower MDV sufficiently to leave the average mortal unable to resist most social attacks?
All you need is enough presence+charisma to roll 1 success. They need their Motivation to overrule that penalty.
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codeRR
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I was actually reading up on their book and now have a better understanding of the chaotic beings of the wyld.
Looking at it...if Suzaku was a shaped Rakasha I think he would have a high Cup grace/virtue. It would explain why he serves and doesn't want to lead.
So...high cup and staff graces
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Yeah, 8 is a lot for a mere mortal - but what Suzaku does in that video would be vaguely difficult for even Exalts to pull off. He's a fucking freak of nature. I mean look at this shit - he breaks three steel spears apart with a single kick while dropping down from the ceiling. Combining that with being able to outrun machinegun fire, run up a wall and then casually rip the gun off its roof mounting with a single kick is enough evidence that Suzaku is beyond what most mortals would consider 'possible'.
Like, this is low-level Exalt stuff he's doing here. As a mortal.
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codeRR
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Hm...it is strange he's so...wow
maybe he just spent his XP on physicals and neglected everything else?
Dodging machine guns seems to be intended (could be Lelouch ordered those guys to shoot like Red Shirt) but jumping and running aren't.
Those are EoS feat so definitely Dex 5 to borderline Dex 6.