Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Done! Samantha has now joined the ranks of the Knights Who Say Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG Zoom-Boing Z'nourrwringmm!

...somehow. Despite being unable to talk. :confused:
Two last nitpicks on your thing:
1) Charles' prefix/suffix/middle name thing is Zi Britannia. I'd bet that if Lulu or one of his many half siblings married, their spouse would get a different middle name thingy than their own.
2) Samantha can totally talk normally. Eloquence in Unspoken Words is an indefinite charm, not a Permanent, so she can talk normally when she's not committing motes to it. Especially since you can't use to talk to non-allies and unknowing people cause they'll know you aren't talking to them normally when you talk to them.
 
Two last nitpicks on your thing:
1) Charles' prefix/suffix/middle name thing is Zi Britannia. I'd bet that if Lulu or one of his many half siblings married, their spouse would get a different middle name thingy than their own.
2) Samantha can totally talk normally. Eloquence in Unspoken Words is an indefinite charm, not a Permanent, so she can talk normally when she's not committing motes to it. Especially since you can't use to talk to non-allies and unknowing people cause they'll know you aren't talking to them normally when you talk to them.
1) I already changed Samantha's middle name thingy? Are you saying I should give her mother a different one too?
2) I know that. She pretends she doesn't.
 
Well, so one of our half-sisters has joined the Reclamation. And her trust issues are worse than Lelouch's. Just wonderful.

Though I suspect she'll actually have a rather hard time betraying people what with Compassion 5.

Done! Samantha has now joined the ranks of the Knights Who Say Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG Zoom-Boing Z'nourrwringmm!

...somehow. Despite being unable to talk. :confused:

The N in "ni" should be lowercase, by the way.

2) I know that. She pretends she doesn't.

Well then, she'll get along with Rory, or at least as much as one can get along with anyone she's planning on eventually betraying. Rory doesn't pretend that's the case, but it's more of a religious thing for her so she tends not to talk unless she has to interact with normal people who don't know Old Realm - she's basically a priestess of Adorjan, after all.

Urge: Convince all Green Sun Princes to embrace and support the debauchery and immorality of any less-moral peers (Ophidian)

So her job is to make everyone into Slaanesh-chan? :p

Well, it's going to be interesting when she tells Lelouch about her mission from the Ebon Dragon. Because there's no way that Lelouch will not catch that whatever she says first is a lie.
 
No sorry. You have Charles full name as Charles Vi Britannia instead of Zi Britannia.
Changed, thanks. :)
Well, so one of our half-sisters has joined the Reclamation. And her trust issues are worse than Lelouch's. Just wonderful.

Though I suspect she'll actually have a rather hard time betraying people what with Compassion 5.
That's what spending Willpower is for~

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*enters Torment in record time*
The N in "ni" should be lowercase, by the way.
Done.
Well then, she'll get along with Rory, or at least as much as one can get along with anyone she's planning on eventually betraying. Rory doesn't pretend that's the case, but it's more of a religious thing for her so she tends not to talk unless she has to interact with normal people who don't know Old Realm - she's basically a priestess of Adorjan, after all.
Samantha is just grateful for an excuse not to have to spend time around people. Beyond that provided by HWN, I mean.
So her job is to make everyone into Slaanesh-chan? :p
With the morals of whatever mad scientists we have and Akio's lack of respect for human life and free will. Whichever combination is worst.
Well, it's going to be interesting when she tells Lelouch about her mission from the Ebon Dragon. Because there's no way that Lelouch will not catch that whatever she says first is a lie.
That will be entirely up to Alexander and the dice. Though do note she has decent social stats- she might well be able to avoid lying directly when telling him.
 
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I suspect Lelouch will be getting a message from TED telling him to not let Samantha and Isla meet. Then again, it could totally work if TED let Samantha in on the gag and let her act as Isla's handler.
 
@NSMS, @Alexander89 - spotted a possible conflict. Samantha being 17 unless she joins up after October 17, 2017 may be problematic, as anything else makes her older than Euphemia. The numbering of the princes and princesses is determined by birth order, at least according to the wiki. Euphemia is the Third Princess, with Cornelia as the second and Guinevere the first. She could be the fourth Princess in that case, as Carine ne Britannia is the Fifth and is 15. (though Nunnally is presumed to be the Fourth, but this is never confirmed, so she doesn't have to be)

Though then there's the introduction of Marybell mel Britannia, who is 17 at the time of Oz the Reflection and is somehow the 88th Princess, which I'd attribute to the writers of the spin-off not actually thinking about things, much like the whole Euro Britannia thing not making much sense. I guess you could just make the order of succession more complicated and just roll with there being some kind of weird, arcane rules that are never explained (maybe having to do with the order in which the particular wife of the Emperor was married to him, his favor, noble ranks, and things liek that - Charles does apparently have 108 wives) to get around it. Still, I thought it necessary to point out.


So, what will Lulu think when he finds out one of his siblings became a GSP?

It probably depends on what his own memories of her are. She's his age, so he probably would have met her before, though it's possible her mother was one of the ones who hated Marianne and so didn't allow her children to associate with him and Nunnally and he might not have much in the way of memories of her. Either way though, he'll be able to empathize in spades with her story about finding out that Britannia is evil and being betrayed by her parents. Lelouch damn well knows that their father is an asshole and that many of his wives are evil harpies.


That will be entirely up to Alexander and the dice. Though do note she has decent social stats- she might well be able to avoid lying directly when telling him.

She'd have to avoid telling him anything for him to not detect a deception.

Her dice pool for a Manipulation without Excellencies is four dice at best. Lelouch's Dodge MDV is 6, so any social attack she makes will require Excellency use to even have a chance of success, and he can use Excellencies too. Not to mention that his Dual Gaze Paradox gives him Essence sight so that he'll see that she's doing something with Essence, and he would likely recognize the Ebon Dragon Excellency as he'll have seen others do it by then since she's the last arrival. Then there's Lelouch's own dice pool to pierce through deceptions and notice someone is lying - he's got a base pool of five, two more added due to Seyrun, and three automatic successes due to Witness to Darkness.

Her best bet would be to get him to not ask somehow, or just outright tell him that her mission isn't something she can talk about (though that would arouse suspicions in Lelouch, and she'd probably know it) and hope that Lelouch doesn't somehow social attack her into talking.

By the by, you should give Samantha a dot in the Nobles specialty for Socialize, as even if she was sheltered there's no way she wouldn't have been educated in that.


I suspect Lelouch will be getting a message from TED telling him to not let Samantha and Isla meet. Then again, it could totally work if TED let Samantha in on the gag and let her act as Isla's handler.

I think Samantha would probably pity Isla as she would know the girl is being betrayed, but probably not tell her anything. It would be best not to have them in a Coven together given Samantha's Compassion likely causing her a lot of grief about it, though.
 
I guess you could just make the order of succession more complicated

Except near as I can tell the prince/princess number has little to do with the succession order. So it's almost certainly simply their birth order.

For example Lelouch was the 11th prince but only 17th in line for the throne. We know this can't be due to older princesses filling the remaining 6 spots since Carine is the 5th princess and 3 years younger then Lelouch.
 
Alternatively, the Emperor's children might not be the only ones in consideration for inheritance of the throne. He does have all kinds of other relatives and familial connections, even if he and V.V. killed off most of them.
 
@NSMS, @Alexander89 - spotted a possible conflict. Samantha being 17 unless she joins up after October 17, 2017 may be problematic, as anything else makes her older than Euphemia. The numbering of the princes and princesses is determined by birth order, at least according to the wiki. Euphemia is the Third Princess, with Cornelia as the second and Guinevere the first. She could be the fourth Princess in that case, as Carine ne Britannia is the Fifth and is 15. (though Nunnally is presumed to be the Fourth, but this is never confirmed, so she doesn't have to be)

Though then there's the introduction of Marybell mel Britannia, who is 17 at the time of Oz the Reflection and is somehow the 88th Princess, which I'd attribute to the writers of the spin-off not actually thinking about things, much like the whole Euro Britannia thing not making much sense. I guess you could just make the order of succession more complicated and just roll with there being some kind of weird, arcane rules that are never explained (maybe having to do with the order in which the particular wife of the Emperor was married to him, his favor, noble ranks, and things liek that - Charles does apparently have 108 wives) to get around it. Still, I thought it necessary to point out.
I will be honest: I completely forgot to think about this when I was creating her. Though as UberJJK pointed out, Princess number =/= birth number. I can adjust her age or shuffle things around a bit if it's still an issue.
It probably depends on what his own memories of her are. She's his age, so he probably would have met her before, though it's possible her mother was one of the ones who hated Marianne and so didn't allow her children to associate with him and Nunnally and he might not have much in the way of memories of her. Either way though, he'll be able to empathize in spades with her story about finding out that Britannia is evil and being betrayed by her parents. Lelouch damn well knows that their father is an asshole and that many of his wives are evil harpies.
My thoughts (that Alexander obviously doesn't have to follow) are that they distantly knew each other, and that's pretty much it. No real interactions beyond occasional brief meetings, no friendship, no rivalry, etc; simply distant cousins who had little to do with one another.
She'd have to avoid telling him anything for him to not detect a deception.

Her dice pool for a Manipulation without Excellencies is four dice at best. Lelouch's Dodge MDV is 6, so any social attack she makes will require Excellency use to even have a chance of success, and he can use Excellencies too. Not to mention that his Dual Gaze Paradox gives him Essence sight so that he'll see that she's doing something with Essence, and he would likely recognize the Ebon Dragon Excellency as he'll have seen others do it by then since she's the last arrival. Then there's Lelouch's own dice pool to pierce through deceptions and notice someone is lying - he's got a base pool of five, two more added due to Seyrun, and three automatic successes due to Witness to Darkness.

Her best bet would be to get him to not ask somehow, or just outright tell him that her mission isn't something she can talk about (though that would arouse suspicions in Lelouch, and she'd probably know it) and hope that Lelouch doesn't somehow social attack her into talking.

By the by, you should give Samantha a dot in the Nobles specialty for Socialize, as even if she was sheltered there's no way she wouldn't have been educated in that.
'You know how some of the Green Sun Princes and Princesses that have been recruited are less moral than others? My patron realised that this might cause friction, and wants me to try and smooth things out to prevent any difficulties.'

'The Ebon Dragon wants me to promote unity between Champions with conflicting moralities and beliefs.'

'I've been asked to help ensure that the more... shall we say, troubled members of our group integrate and work together with the rest of us without it causing issues.'

There, some completely honest and truthful statements that describe her mission with no deception. :)

Also, you're probably right about Socialize; I'll add that now.
I think Samantha would probably pity Isla as she would know the girl is being betrayed, but probably not tell her anything. It would be best not to have them in a Coven together given Samantha's Compassion likely causing her a lot of grief about it, though.
Sounds about right.
 
I will be honest: I completely forgot to think about this when I was creating her. Though as UberJJK pointed out, Princess number =/= birth number. I can adjust her age or shuffle things around a bit if it's still an issue.

Well, as far as I can tell in the original Code Geass before any spinoffs were introduced the birth order did determine that, but the spinoffs kind of blow that out of the water. So I just thought I'd point it out. Like I said, the system may require some hashing out. If I had to guess, there'd be some weights involved in determining the number of a prince or princess:

1. Birth order. Not the be all and end all, but still important.
2. Wife number. Earlier wives might get a higher weight.
3. Nobility of the wife. A baroness would get less weight in the order of succession than a duchess. Prior relation to the royal bloodline might also factor in. As would Terrestrial breeding in this AU.
4. The Emperor's favor. He's the top dog. He's allowed to play favorites.

Marianne probably got a higher weight than normal due to #4, and possibly #3 if the Emperor promoted her noble status much higher than would be normal. Those two combined might explain the level of hatred she got from many of the Emperor's other wives - if she was just a minor wife whose succession weighting was as low as it should be, many would still disdain her for her commoner blood but wouldn't make that big of a deal out of it. With her being placed far, far above what her social status should have allowed and having a great deal of the Emperor's favor, she'd be regarded has having gone way too far above her station. Marianne's children would have a possible shot at the throne, after all, in spite of their inferior Breeding.

My thoughts (that Alexander obviously doesn't have to follow) are that they distantly knew each other, and that's pretty much it. No real interactions beyond occasional brief meetings, no friendship, no rivalry, etc; simply distant cousins who had little to do with one another.

That is what I was thinking was likely as well. Seeing as most of the Emperor's other wives didn't like Marianne, it would make sense that Samantha wouldn't have much interaction with Lelouch. Though they're not cousins so much as half-siblings, but I suppose the relationship is similar enough given how large the royal family is.

'You know how some of the Green Sun Princes and Princesses that have been recruited are less moral than others? My patron realised that this might cause friction, and wants me to try and smooth things out to prevent any difficulties.'

'The Ebon Dragon wants me to promote unity between Champions with conflicting moralities and beliefs.'

'I've been asked to help ensure that the more... shall we say, troubled members of our group integrate and work together with the rest of us without it causing issues.'

There, some completely honest and truthful statements that describe her mission with no deception. :)

Witness to Darkness doesn't see through only lies, but all deception. I believe that the GM has previously confirmed that Aes Sedai level careful wording to hide your true meaning still counts as deception. Trying to get someone to believe something false through truth is still deception.

Also, the notion of the Ebon Dragon wanting such a thing would raise red flags to anyone who knows much about him at all. If it wouldn't arouse suspicion in Lelouch, it would do so for Seyrun I would think. Those kinds of deception would be rather obvious.

Like I said, her best bet would be to explicitly say her Patron wants her mission kept secret (which would probably be true) or use her Charisma to try to deflect and prevent the subject from being broached.
 
Well, as far as I can tell in the original Code Geass before any spinoffs were introduced the birth order did determine that, but the spinoffs kind of blow that out of the water. So I just thought I'd point it out. Like I said, the system may require some hashing out. If I had to guess, there'd be some weights involved in determining the number of a prince or princess:

1. Birth order. Not the be all and end all, but still important.
2. Wife number. Earlier wives might get a higher weight.
3. Nobility of the wife. A baroness would get less weight in the order of succession than a duchess. Prior relation to the royal bloodline might also factor in. As would Terrestrial breeding in this AU.
4. The Emperor's favor. He's the top dog. He's allowed to play favorites.

Marianne probably got a higher weight than normal due to #4, and possibly #3 if the Emperor promoted her noble status much higher than would be normal. Those two combined might explain the level of hatred she got from many of the Emperor's other wives - if she was just a minor wife whose succession weighting was as low as it should be, many would still disdain her for her commoner blood but wouldn't make that big of a deal out of it. With her being placed far, far above what her social status should have allowed and having a great deal of the Emperor's favor, she'd be regarded has having gone way too far above her station. Marianne's children would have a possible shot at the throne, after all, in spite of their inferior Breeding.
Makes sense to me.
That is what I was thinking was likely as well. Seeing as most of the Emperor's other wives didn't like Marianne, it would make sense that Samantha wouldn't have much interaction with Lelouch. Though they're not cousins so much as half-siblings, but I suppose the relationship is similar enough given how large the royal family is.
That, and giving OC's a major place in canon character backstories is a biiiiiiiig no-no.
Witness to Darkness doesn't see through only lies, but all deception. I believe that the GM has previously confirmed that Aes Sedai level careful wording to hide your true meaning still counts as deception. Trying to get someone to believe something false through truth is still deception.

Also, the notion of the Ebon Dragon wanting such a thing would raise red flags to anyone who knows much about him at all. If it wouldn't arouse suspicion in Lelouch, it would do so for Seyrun I would think. Those kinds of deception would be rather obvious.

Like I said, her best bet would be to explicitly say her Patron wants her mission kept secret (which would probably be true) or use her Charisma to try to deflect and prevent the subject from being broached.
Awwwww... :(

...

*thinks*

'I, I'm sorry Lulu, but I can't tell you. I can't. What he, the Ebon Dragon wants me to do, it's, it's, horrible. *sniffs, barely holds back tears* I, I promise it won't hurt the Reclamation or get in the way of anybody else's Urges, I promise! But I can't tell you, I can't, I don't want to have anybody else have to go through this with me, b-because of me. *sobs, clutches Lelouch desperately* Please, please, don't make me tell you!'
 
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