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So, I had an idea for another Defiler. Basically, an environmentalist who tried to bring the need to protect the environment up, but was ignored by the EU. I would think that if she tried it in Britannia, she'd have been laughed out of the country, given their national policies. Naturally, I'd imagine that Cythera would Patron her, and her Motivation would be to create something that would help protect and maintain the Environment, and her Urge would be to create an organization that doubled as an environmentally friendly group and a Yozi cult. Thoughts?
 
ReaperofInterest said:
So, I had an idea for another Defiler. Basically, an environmentalist who tried to bring the need to protect the environment up, but was ignored by the EU. I would think that if she tried it in Britannia, she'd have been laughed out of the country, given their national policies. Naturally, I'd imagine that Cythera would Patron her, and her Motivation would be to create something that would help protect and maintain the Environment, and her Urge would be to create an organization that doubled as an environmentally friendly group and a Yozi cult. Thoughts?
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Actually, by all evidence Britannia is a rather green country - note the giant solar panels around the edges of the Tokyo settlement, as well as the fact that all the vehicles lack exhaust pipes which indicates they're electric. They also seem to prefer highly planned cities over suburban sprawl, based on the settlement. While they'll build a massive mine in Fuji that taints its natural beauty, overall there doesn't seem to be a lot of pollution.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
So, I had an idea for another Defiler. Basically, an environmentalist who tried to bring the need to protect the environment up, but was ignored by the EU. I would think that if she tried it in Britannia, she'd have been laughed out of the country, given their national policies. Naturally, I'd imagine that Cythera would Patron her, and her Motivation would be to create something that would help protect and maintain the Environment, and her Urge would be to create an organization that doubled as an environmentally friendly group and a Yozi cult. Thoughts?
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You know this realy makes me wonder, between the Code Geas world divergent history, policies, technological development and exotic technologies/enegy sources (They did make a nuke whitout radioactive fallout) and Creations Celetial bureocracy, with a least God in every blae of grass and drop of water, all guided by the loom to keep creation working in perpetuity and taking into account the realy long term consequences from the begining, just how bad could the envitomental situation actualy get ?
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Huh. Well, there goes that idea. Just out of curiosity, do you think the Beastmen went extinct? They haven't been mentioned, so I'm kind of thinking that they all either died or were killed.
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on this note I also have been wondering about the dragon kings and jadeborn, chance are they bot died out, but even if they were all killed,unlees it was done by spirit killing charms, as long as someone learns the right charm the jadeborn could be revived
 
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ReaperofInterest said:
Just out of curiosity, do you think the Beastmen went extinct? They haven't been mentioned, so I'm kind of thinking that they all either died or were killed.
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The beastmen can be birthed by Lunars so I would presume there are some still around. It really depends on where the Lunars are hanging out - are they generally in the Wyld when not interfering with Creation, and if so how do they actually get there given the current shape of Creation? Or maybe they have some Elsewhere pockets? Regardless, there may not be as many, but all in all I'd expect the Lunars to still have a fair number of them to serve their ends.
 
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Ok, so let's try and work on a 5th Defiler. We have a well-intentioned mad scientist who wants to end war in Rakshata, a teenager trying to make his mark on the world in Nathan, a woman trying to become famous as Melody, and a doctor who made a Faustian Bargain to help his students in George. What can we add to this motley bunch while still keeping them effective if they have to work together?
 
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Ok, so let's try and work on a 5th Defiler. We have a well-intentioned mad scientist who wants to end war in Rakshata, a teenager trying to make his mark on the world in Nathan, a woman trying to become famous as Melody, and a doctor who made a Faustian Bargain to help his students in George. What can we add to this motley bunch while still keeping them effective if they have to work together?
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Someone who is interesting in investigating the magical side of things, perhaps. They might have been aware of the Occult before Exaltation. Someone who might be interested in studying souls might be nice, so they can look in on the whole Pantheon situation before we go reporting anything to the Yozis (if we ever do).


Anyways, I'm claiming Mardukth's second champion now. I'm still working out the exact scenario but trust me when I say the character is absolutely perfect for Mardukth and that you will all squeal with delight. I've also hashed out my ZnT crossover idea and it will be awesome as well when I write it. It will not be Louise, but a different character. Hint - she'll be Scourge. That's all your getting. Both of these characters will be combat oriented, and woe upon our enemies who meet them in battle.
 
Scourges are Adorjan right? And she's all about refusing to get tied down to ones attachments right? I'm going to guess Tabitha maybe? If not my second guess would be Kirche. I'm desperately hoping we won't see a Scourge Quiche.
 
Karugus said:
Scourges are Adorjan right? And she's all about refusing to get tied down to ones attachments right? I'm going to guess Tabitha maybe? If not my second guess would be Kirche. I'm desperately hoping we won't see a Scourge Quiche.
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I won't tell ya, though I'm not exalting a quiche to be certain. Quiches can't Exalt, silly. :p

You'll find out tomorrow if I get it done then, as I hope to. Just remember that one thing to keep in mind is that Infernal Exaltations don't always take into account the preference of the Caste's Yozi, but there is most certainly something for this character that Adorjan approves of. An entirely different Yozi will be her patron, though.

EDIT - Oh, what the hell, I'll give another hint, not that it will likely help. In this universe, Lelouch has met her.
 
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@Alexander89 After some reconsideration I've decided to rip some points from the Coadjutor (Lydia can always bump it back up once she gets around to learning Craft) and stick it into Past Life.

I expect interesting results when we finally do meet her. :V

(Also this probably means he's a straight up veteran of the Primordial War as well)
 
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ReaperofInterest said:
How does the Past Life mechanic work, precisely? Is it just a voice in your head at all levels, or is that something for 3 or higher?
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It is more of an alternate personality. Basically, most of the time you just have access to memories that aren't yours. A little difficult to manage if they are a lot, but not impossible. However, during certain situations your control slips, and the memories gain a temporary self-awareness. Let me quote:
The potency of First Age memories to which the character
has access is governed by the Past Life Background. A number
of times per session equal to her Essence rating, the Prince can
add dice equal to her Past Life rating to any dice pool by drawing
upon the specific memories of her prior life, the life of an
ancient Solar who likely had at least a passing familiarity with
nearly every field of human endeavor that existed at the time.
The Prince can call upon memories of countless sword fights
to strike a telling Melee attack. She can call upon centuries
spent overseeing First Age society to effortlessly make a great
bargain with a Bureaucracy roll. She can call upon recollections
of decades of debate in the Solar Deliberative to easily persuade
the simple-minded with a brilliant Presence-based Social attack.
Indeed, the only type of roll that cannot be augmented
with the Past Life Background is one that exclusively requires
knowledge of the modern era, such as Lore rolls to know the
current political structure of a nation or Occult rolls to know
strategic information about the Abyssal Exalted (who did not
exist at the time of the Usurpation).
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Neat? Yes, but:
However, as useful and versatile as this Background is,
it also carries a danger for those who use it capriciously. At
the time of character creation, the player of any Green Sun
Prince who has the Past Life Background must specifically
identify the First Age Solar whose memories the Prince now
retains. The player must also, subject to Storyteller approval,
choose a Motivation appropriate to the personality of a
powerful First Age Solar Exalt, most likely one with clear
memories of her own assassination during the Usurpation. In
addition, the player must pick a number of Intimacies for the
Solar personality equal to the Past Life Background rating.
These Intimacies should be logically based on the First Age
Solar's personality and Motivation and should also be practical
for the modern era (that is, the player should not assign
Intimacies for people or things that ceased to exist centuries
ago unless doing so somehow advances the story).
If the Infernal's player ever botches a roll augmented
by dice conferred by this Background, the personality of the
First Age Solar may emerge and seek to influence that of the
Prince for a number of hours equal to the character's Past
Life Background rating. Worse, the Solar personality may
also seize control if the character succeeds too well on a roll
augmented by this Background. If the Prince's player rolls
more successes than the Exalt's own Dodge MDV, the Solar
personality may also emerge. In this latter case, the possession
lasts for a number of hours equal to the Background rating or
to the number of successes by which the roll exceeded the
Prince's Dodge MDV, whichever is less.
While the Solar personality is dominant, the character
suffers from a supernatural compulsion effect that drives her
to act according to the Solar's Motivation and Intimacies.
Whenever faced with a chance to advance the Solar's Motivation
or to protect or defend one of her Intimacies, the
character must do so or else spend one Willpower point to
resist the compulsion for a scene. She may overcome this
compulsion completely by spending Willpower equal to her
rating in the Background. Spending Willpower in either
manner causes the Infernal to gain Limit as normal (see p.
80). Furthermore, the Solar personality will invariably be
appalled at the realization that her very Exaltation has been
corrupted by the Yozis and will actively seek to interfere
with the Prince in the performance of her duties. While the
Solar personality is active, the Prince will suffer an internal
penalty equal to the Background rating on all dice rolls made
to advance the Prince's Urge. This effect cannot be overcome
through Willpower.
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So this.

To be clear, someone like Lydia and her Past Incarnation will never meet face to face. If Elendil comes out, he has access to Lydia's memories while her personality is dormant. When she wakes up, Elendil go back to sleep. He may leave messages behind, but that's it. Lydia may also have memories of Elendil's life.

The best analogy is that Lydia has now access to a mental diary that tells, in vivid details, the life of an ancient Solar. With those it will be easy for her to quickly grow into a worthy Slayer...but, well, the influence on her psyche isn't light.

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Lelouch: Britannia sucks.
Cecelyne: Yes, but the strong rule the weak. It's a fact.
Lelouch: ...
Cecelyne: You disagree? Name one time in history where the strong didn't rule over the weak.
Lelouch: *checks vast history knowledge* There were a few revolutions...
Cecelyne: Strength of numbers. Enough ants can kill a man.
Lelouch: Fine then. The strong rule the weak. I acknowledge it. But it's not fair!
Cecelyne: Nope. I used to be fair, but the Exalted killed my sense of fairness, and it'll stay dead so long as the world isn't fair.
Lelouch: Then I'll make it fair!
Cecelyne: Oh? How?
Lelouch: By becoming stronger than anyone else and crushing everyone who tries to stop me!
Cecelyne: ... ... ... *laughs maniacally* How delightfully hypocritical!
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:lol But seriously, what do you think those two have in common? And will it be sufficient for Cecelyne to accept Lelouch?

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This brough back to my mind a homebrew TED Charm which would descend from Our Little Secret that I have had bouncing in my head for some time now. I have tentatively named it "My Dark Secret".

It would work somewhat like Righteous Lion Defense by its mechanics: The player chooses one thing about their character that they want to hide from everyone who doesn't already know about it. This can be a deed they have done (for example, a murder), their true feelings about some person (wanting to kill/usurp/etc. someone, or perhaps the love they feel towards someone) or their true nature (like being an Exalt).

After they have chosen something, they get ability to perfectly lie about that subject, with other perfect effects challenging it causing roll-off where the Infernal gets their Essence in automatic successes. The Infernal treats any influence trying to force or manipulate them to reveal about the subject, directly or indirectly, as unacceptable order. The Charm would suffer from the Imperfection of the Ebon Dragon. It could be repurchased like Righteous Lion Defense, giving the character a second secret they could protect.

However, to voluntarily reveal any information about it in any way, they would have to pay their current Essence in Willpower, to the usual maximum of five points. But they aren't under a compulsion to actively suppress information spread by other people, so someone in the know can just tell it to others in the Infernal's stead.

As to the reason why I had this idea, well, I thought it would be nice to have something ready the next time we meet an Unquestionable, considering what has been going around with Lelouch's souls.
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This...is an excellent idea!

Karugus said:
Uhh, guys I don't know if it's been pointed out and I missed it or if I'm just stupid for not taking it as obvious, but that woman who was flirting with us? Almost certainly the Lunar who was sent to Japan. Now whether she's realized we're not a normal mortal is up in the air, but she almost certainly took some note of us, even if only subconsciously realizing Lelouch is pretty much inhumanly attractive at this point. Given she suddenly got called away, I assume her mentor called her for something or another which is sort of ominous in and of itself.

Edit: Okay apparently people commented on it earlier and I completely forgot reading over that. But I'm still surprised how quickly people moved past the fact we just met a Lunar, and most likely gave her an Obsession/Rapt Fascination intimacy from looking her in the eyes (DGP) and Beautiful In My Own Way. Not to mention she could realize the Obvious effect of our eyes or something.
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Luckily for you (but not for Lelouch) is so happen that attractive members of the opposite gender is this certain Lunar's Achilles Heel. She was too busy conjuring up scenarios that would make Lelouch shudder in revulsion to spend Willpower to reject the effects of DGP and BIMO. As such she didn't notice anything supernatural/obvious. And so did Lelouch.

ReaperofInterest said:
Huh. Well, there goes that idea. Just out of curiosity, do you think the Beastmen went extinct? They haven't been mentioned, so I'm kind of thinking that they all either died or were killed.
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Some Elder Lunars are still making them...but the practice isn't terribly attractive to the youngest Lunars. So not dead yet, but less used.

Zaratustra said:
on this note I also have been wondering about the dragon kings and jadeborn, chance are they bot died out, but even if they were all killed,unlees it was done by spirit killing charms, as long as someone learns the right charm the jadeborn could be revived
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Dragon Kings died out.

Jadeborn, on the other hands, survived the Twin Cataclysms. The Darkbroods did not, so at the present time the Jadeborn are currently enjoying a peaceful existence deep within the Earth, way deeper than human excavations ever went. They aren't interested in the modern world, but something like the return of Autochthon may stir them up.

Enjou said:
EDIT - Oh, what the hell, I'll give another hint, not that it will likely help. In this universe, Lelouch has met her.
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In my quest, or in the background?

SirLagginton said:
@Alexander89 After some reconsideration I've decided to rip some points from the Coadjutor (Lydia can always bump it back up once she gets around to learning Craft) and stick it into Past Life.

I expect interesting results when we finally do meet her. :V

(Also this probably means he's a straight up veteran of the Primordial War as well)
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Interesting indeed.
 
Alexander89 said:
Some Elder Lunars are still making them...but the practice isn't terribly attractive to the youngest Lunars. So not dead yet, but less used.
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The process is somewhat squicky unless you invest knacks into doing it another way.
Alexander89 said:
The best analogy is that Lydia has now access to a mental diary that tells, in vivid details, the life of an ancient Solar. With those it will be easy for her to quickly grow into a worthy Slayer...but, well, the influence on her psyche isn't light.
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Very fun though, especially if the Past Life wants the best for their new incarnation(e.g. finding a resemblence to their own child), but at the same time, their idea of 'best' dramatically differs.
 
Alexander89 said:
To be clear, someone like Lydia and her Past Incarnation will never meet face to face. If Elendil comes out, he has access to Lydia's memories while her personality is dormant. When she wakes up, Elendil go back to sleep. He may leave messages behind, but that's it. Lydia may also have memories of Elendil's life.

The best analogy is that Lydia has now access to a mental diary that tells, in vivid details, the life of an ancient Solar. With those it will be easy for her to quickly grow into a worthy Slayer...but, well, the influence on her psyche isn't light.
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...You know, that makes me think. I wonder if it'll be possible to develop a charm that would allow her to give that alternate personality true sapience of its own? Like a First Age Solar Coadjutor.
 
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I was just wondering, how does calibration work given the heliocentric state of the world? The sun can't just vanish for five days.
 
Alexander89 said:
:lol But seriously, what do you think those two have in common? And will it be sufficient for Cecelyne to accept Lelouch?
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Well, you asked how the interaction would go, and I do think that would be part of it. But here's a number of keywords from Cecelyne's Excellency...

patient, amassing - Before Exalting, Lelouch spent a good deal of his time slowly gathering resources and planning to take down Britannia
capricious hypocrisy - Lelouch can forget his morals in some situations, doing blatantly hypocritical things. Especially true if you hurt someone he cares about. See how he reacted to Shirley's death...
reverence, worship - People following Zero practically worship him because he makes...
terrifying and wondrous miracles, sudden and shocking - It's Zero's schtick.
insightful - I would say Lelouch is this.
prior planning and effort, established plans - Lelouch tends to plan things out in advance. He can work on the fly, but he prefers to do things this way.
desires and failures, give others what they want, influence and ultimately own - Lelouch is giving the Black Knights what they want in that he's freeing Japan from Britannia, and doing so secures their almost absolute loyalty to him
amass or jealously protect resources that are directly useful - I'd say Lelouch does this. He views the world as an oversized chess board, so he values getting pieces, and he does not like the notion of anyone taking his most valuable pieces.
endure unrelentingly harsh conditions - socially more than physically, in that he has to constantly work to keep his identity hidden, and this is only becoming more true now that he's active. Also he has to deal with Milly every day! Though honestly this one might be a stretch.
punish - Lelouch wants to punish Britannia, and he certainly is out to punish anyone who fucks with those he cares about.

The main hangup is that Lelouch doesn't consciously believe the strong should rule the weak, or at least the notion disgusts him. That said, he could probably be made to recognize that intellectually it's the truth, as much as he might not like it, so the answer is to of course get enough power to make things fair because even if the strong rule the weak it doesn't mean they have to oppress the weak. So, basically, continue on as planned - take over, establish his rule, make the world a more gentle place, all of which is will be his right once he's proven he's the strongest of all.


Alexander89 said:
In my quest, or in the background?
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In the past, before the quest started. Not canonically part of either universe, but I'm taking a small bit of this character's ZnT history and altering it to fit the Code Geass universe. I'll PM you the info.
 
ryuan said:
You guys just want cecelyne for VEE and eventually going Devil Tiger.
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1. We don't need Cecelyne to go Devil Tiger. We've already got Cracked Cell Circumvention, and we can get Solipsistic Rejection of Impossibilities from Malfeas. Also, I'm fairly certain that given we're using homebrew Yozi Charms here that each of those Yozis will have one applicable Charm.

2. VEE has a good Charm tree, but it's not the only good thing Cecelyne has. I like the Locust Mana Plague tree, and I also like the heretical Charms I came up with by combining her stuff with Szoreny, and there's a number of other potentially interesting heretical combinations that could be explored as well.

3. I also want her Pantheon Charm, as I think the character we could make from it is cool.

That said, I'm tempted to go for Szoreny first, as the notion of poison blood we can use for crafting is very tempting.
 
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Some Elder Lunars are still making them...but the practice isn't terribly attractive to the youngest Lunars. So not dead yet, but less used.
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Ah. I was asking because I think that if one of the Defilers heard about them, they might think that the concept is useful, and try making them with hell-tech, instead of the more traditional methods. I can see Nathan trying it, because his magnum opus is going to require dots in Craft (Genesis), and making an army out of genetically engineered creatures that are native to Creation sounds like a decent way of getting them and getting some practice with is using them.

Moving on, Metagaos represents all kinds of hunger, nit just physical right? Because if so, I think that a knowledge-hungry Occult investigator might have him as a valid patron. That could in turn give us our 5th Defiler, and perhaps one whose actually specced for combat. The others can take care of themselves, but they're not really suited for long, drawn out battles.
 
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Enjou said:
I won't tell ya, though I'm not exalting a quiche to be certain. Quiches can't Exalt, silly. :p

You'll find out tomorrow if I get it done then, as I hope to. Just remember that one thing to keep in mind is that Infernal Exaltations don't always take into account the preference of the Caste's Yozi, but there is most certainly something for this character that Adorjan approves of. An entirely different Yozi will be her patron, though.

EDIT - Oh, what the hell, I'll give another hint, not that it will likely help. In this universe, Lelouch has met her.
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That's just what the Quiches want you to think! They're plotting something I tell you! Naw, that was just what happens when I'm on a phone and posting right as I'm trying to fall asleep.

Yeah, definitely thinking Tabitha, that sort of story seems like it would fit in pretty easily into Britannian Politics.

Alexander89 said:
Luckily for you (but not for Lelouch) is so happen that attractive members of the opposite gender is this certain Lunar's Achilles Heel. She was too busy conjuring up scenarios that would make Lelouch shudder in revulsion to spend Willpower to reject the effects of DGP and BIMO. As such she didn't notice anything supernatural/obvious. And so did Lelouch.
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So we now have a Lunar that's a total lech lusting after/obsessed with Lelouch, who has absolutely no idea his innocence/purity is in serious jeopardy?

1) Kaguya can never know, if only for the sake of the poor Lunar.
2) Milly can never know, if only for the risk of there being two of them.
3) Lelouch needs to realize the side effects of his charms
4) serious concern that Lelouch is going to wind up with a Lunar stalker.
5) ????
6) Profit?

This is going to wind up hilarious, and probably a little horrifying.
 
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