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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
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well damn, there goes that idea. what about a yozi of ideals? the concept of striving for something ethereal or ideological instead of (and often at the expense of) the base physical needs of survival?
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Isn't this basicaly every primordial/yozi ever ? they have their themes/ideals act based on it and seek to warp reality towards it uncaring of pretty much a anything else ? what ideal would guide an yozi of ideals ? and if anything a primordial who sought things uncaring of its own survivality sounds like it would end up as one of the first neverborn
And a bit unrelated but the more I read about the primordial war the more I wonder how almost none of the exalted realized they were inadvertidely ruining reality forever on the most fundamental level, then I remenber that for all his virtues and Theion given badasery the Unconquered Sun is still one of the Dragons Shadow personal creations
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not really, each yozi has an ideal or concept they wish to impose on as much of reality as possible, but they don't really care about ideals in general. this yozis focus would be getting creatures to pursue things other than survival. At its best it would be the difference between living and surviving, and at its worst it would be blind zealotry and pointless martyrdom. as for how something with little self preservation survived the primordial war, well it stayed mostly out of it. the exalted where rising up against the masters of creation itself to fight for a better tomorrow, Its own nature prevented it from truly opposing them, and as such it surrendered almost willingly. Ironically this saved it, since it was viewed in a almost positive light by the exalted its oths were unusually merciful, so its intact enough that none of the other yozi were able to kill it for not doing his bit in the war.
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I don't think this would work well for a explanatiom to his suvivality, a primordial of ideals would probalby be geared towards suporting ideals and would realize that the pursuit of ideals invariably brings then to a clash, and so in the primordial war it would either seak his own ideals or support his family ideals like he would have been doing untill then(and for some reason I now feel that this is faling into Cytherea territory),and beyond that one must remenber that the exalted submited all the surviving primordials to fetich dead, whch warped the to the worse (based on how the lest affected one was the ebon dragon)
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well one of the core concepts of its primordial self is that it was far less focused than its brothers, it didn't care what ideas it supports. It would be really common to see its different sub souls championing different causes coming into conflict, and its overs soul wouldn't care since it cares that peopel strive for ideals rather than achieve them. when the war kicked off it was mostly drawn to the side conflicts, it fought mostly to protect the other servitor races since fighting directly for the survival of itself and i'ts brethren didn't appeal to it. there were also a few sub souls that were far less vigorous in pressuring the war against the exalted since it saw what they were doing as basically mass suicide in pursuit of their ideals.
it was treated more gently than the other yozi for both practical and moral reasons, it was much less hated than other yozi since it had fought almost entirely to save the loyalist races from genocide, and had shown a few rather high profile acts of mercy. practically its oths were less harsh because it was already a self defating fractured mess, they only had to kill its fetich to create something that would hold the ideal of holding to its oths above everything else.
it was treated more gently than the other yozi for both practical and moral reasons, it was much less hated than other yozi since it had fought almost entirely to save the loyalist races from genocide, and had shown a few rather high profile acts of mercy. practically its oths were less harsh because it was already a self defating fractured mess, they only had to kill its fetich to create something that would hold the ideal of holding to its oths above everything else.
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Okay, still on the phone. You make good points. Enjou, can you add immunity to magical diseases?
Like someone once said making Charms is an art. What I am looking for is a charm similar to the ones of Cecelyne and Kimbery: namely, those that make you a desert dweller and a sea dweller. I am for a Wyld dweller. Ideas?
Ok, here you go.
One thing to note is that if the Infernal doesn't eat anything he can't digest then he won't have to use the restroom anymore since all food and drink will be turned into its base essence. Convenient, that. Unlike with Transcendent Desert Creature though the Infernal will still sweat.
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Walker of the Yellow Path
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You should take this thought to the Tabletop - General Exalted Thread | Page 619 It's not really important to the quest, and you can get a lot more help there.
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well I had an idea for omak that would involve a second circle soul of a yozi unaffiliated with reclamation serving as a consultant. but yeah, this is approaching a derail, sorry.
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Do you have access to Hundredfold Facets of Enlightenment by Plague of Hats? Some cool stuff are in there, though I'm not sure if they can be used.
Do you have access to Hundredfold Facets of Enlightenment by Plague of Hats? Some cool stuff are in there, though I'm not sure if they can be used.
Oh, I do. Not too familiar with the Infernals stuff though.
Alexander89
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Those are interesting ideas, since I was thinking of making Impresario's Sure Hand motes committed instead of Permanent. Let's list them:
-Then Infernal never appears injured. He takes damage and penalty as normal, but his body and clothes always appear utterly pristine. Pierce his chest with a sword and remove it, there will be no blood and no hole.
-Suppress the effects of mutations. Considering Oramus is big at giving himself derangements, a method to avoid them piling up is needed.
-He can use unarmed attacks against dematerialized creatures.
This reminds me of something. Jemnite, good stuff.
Thanks.
I have it. About what can be used, it really depends on the stuff itself.
Alexander89
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I'd keep it Permanent. If your aim is to make Oramus have Charms of a creature who is at home in the Wyld, then it's pretty much a matter of course that he'd be immune to the Wyld's effects. You still have to commit motes to keep others immune as well.
For the objection that Impossible Madness Biology may not be aptly named, that could be solved by changing the name appropriately. Impossible Dragon's Constitution, perhaps?
Also, I think that if we're going with this Wyld adapted biology thing it may be good to change some Charms around to create a new tree. What Is and What Should Never Be is about vision and insanity, rather than about being something adapted to the Wyld. So maybe a tree like this...
Impossible Madness Biology/Impossible Dragon's Constitution (change to Essence 2?)
- Play The Music, Light The Lights
-- Bright Costumes and Bold Makeup
- Impresario's Sure Hand
-- Sheltering the Troupe
- <Anything else thematically appropriate, like a Wyld breath attack>
That seems more like an illusion than impossible biology. It'd also be rather inconvenient when you're knocked out if your allies can't tell you need healing if this is a permanent effect. Also, Bright Costumes and Bold Makeup can make you take this illusion. I think this might fit a Szoreny Charm as well, reflecting one's pristine self.
Those Derangements typically only last a scene, though, right? As such they shouldn't pile up. (though this is with scenes of a more typical length in mind - your 'scenes' are way longer than a typical scene would be, and seem to contain multiple scenes as they'd typically be defined)
I'm not sure this would have much to do with biology either. I think this might also be an extension to Cecelyne's Shintai as well, or perhaps a Heretical effect mixing it with Oramus Charms - an odd mix of hypocrisy and paradox, being simultaneously material and immaterial at once, or being able to interact with the material while immaterial.
Hmmm... I'm not sure. Exalted doesn't really have the concept of critical hits, does it? Would this be a Permanent Charm? Are you thinking of this as an expansion to the Charm presented earlier or as the base Charm? Also, how would having internal weirdness affect doing life-saving surgery on the affected being? For that matter, how does it affect Charms that have effects on the Infernal's blood?
Alexander89
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Yeah, "Impossible Dragon Constitution" works better.
Yes, I was thinking about it.
This being a quest it's inevitable. I will take it into consideration in the future.
I took inspiration from a Charm in TAW, where it uses the Beyond to strike immaterial beings.
That would make things harder, yes.
Alright, going to sleep now. Today I'll start the next post - wish me inspiration!
Alexander89
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Oh, before I forgot I made some changes to a Charm:
For those Infernals who want to take Make Believe to a new level. Or if you want to fight a Lunar in War Form. I am also working on an expansion Charm that let you become a vehicle, like a car, and even a building
which just makes autokun all that more pathetic as those laws aplied to him as well. he was just bitter that the yozi women wouldn't touch him.
Well, it was more that the other Yozis would bully him, break his things, steal his stuff and murdered his child to make humans.
The Primordial War was one giant Carrie Event.
Oh, before I forgot I made some changes to a Charm:
For those Infernals who want to take Make Believe to a new level. Or if you want to fight a Lunar in War Form. I am also working on an expansion Charm that let you become a vehicle, like a car, and even a building
Nice one!
Heh, add Ebon Dragon influence to deny what is true, and you'll get nice heretical charm that can shift which self is your real one. Probably "one-use" charm - which needs to be re-bought after each usage.
Just a pity that is over midnight locally - I don't have time to write it before going to sleep.
Heh, Oramus and Ebon Dragon have nice conceptual synergy when it come to altering reality.
- Oramus: "I deny reality and substitute my own"
- Ebon Dragon: "My lie is truth"
They are very simillar in some respect. Both imposes their will to simply say "it is not". And both substitute their own version.
Considering that Oramus is "The Dragon Beyond the World" and the Ebon Dragon is "The Dragon's Shadow" I assumed the two were related. Their themes even go together; Oramus violates the natural order, TED violates the moral order.
Re: Impossible Madness Biology...
I was thinking, maybe a charm which (after soak) converts Lethal to Bashing damage, and makes one immune to poisons and disease.
As a side effect, attempts to treat them with mundane Medicine becomes more difficult, because of how inhuman their biology is.
I was thinking, maybe a charm which (after soak) converts Lethal to Bashing damage, and makes one immune to poisons and disease.
As a side effect, attempts to treat them with mundane Medicine becomes more difficult, because of how inhuman their biology is.
Something like that is more appropriate for Isidoros, who has such a charm IIRC. And that's too much of an advantage for too little a penalty.
Kimbery does a thing where she converts shaping attacks into mutations of her choice. Maybe Oramus could "parry" an attack by accepting Derangements with a total value equal to the post-soak damage?
Interesting. If the user "parries" a strike that still has a large amount of dice post-soak, he (at least temporarily) goes completely nuts as a side effect of surviving what should have gibbed him.
It could work, since the other Yozis got post-soak reducers in the "band-aid" after Perfects got more expensive.