Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
-[X]Empathy Excellency
-[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared


I'm voting uju32. Probably should just copy their name and add the X just like what everyone else did but that seems lazy.
 
-Twice the number of malks that I estimated.
And there's no guarantee that is ALL the malks in that particular pack.
Goes some way to explaining why this dude was so mouthy.

And raises questions about why this pack was so anomalously big.

Sure we could have taken them still, but there would have probably been casualties among our minions.
I hope this goes some way towards cautioning the next time people think that we should just apply force in the absence of information.
Might have been two or more packs, all the local Malks of Chicago or something like that.
If Emma-O has a serious Enemy-rating from Winter then that is the kind of response I would expect for trying to set up near their territory at the least.

Honestly, if we hadn't been courteous in talking to Mab, we might have gotten even more local Winter-vassals gathered to muscle us out, but as it is I assume the higher ups know she wants to talk to us, so we only got the minor predators.

You usually don't let enemies of your boss set up near your turf, even if the cost of dislodging them might be high, it's better than letting them grow and establish in peace.

[X] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)

Not really worth lying about, unless BronzeTongue makes a better write-in I'll go with the simple option.
 
I would prefer going all-in on intimidation. I have no respect or care for these two, and they have made of themselves obstacles.
1)Thats shitting the bed and leaving Rosie to deal with the consequences.

If you think Jared and Mrs Wilson are Bad People, you dont fucking antagonize them while they have your friend to take it out on.
If you think they are not bad people, you have no real justification for throwing your weight around.
Not without making us the villain of the piece.


2)We have no legal right to be in the Wilson house. He was under no obligation to even open the door.
We're here on sufferance because we know his stepdaughter and have a shared history.
He can order us to leave. Bar us from his house. Call the police.

He has no right to prevent Rosie meeting us outside his house, but this presupposes Rosie being willing and able to buck her mother. And we currently have no provisions for supporting a pregnant teenager.
Its worth considering what the full set of potential consequences are before making decisions about people's lives.

A counterpoint to the 'Rosie's parents can't be that bad' camp - one of her stepfather's golfing buddies molested her, and her mother refused to believe it when she told her. They're pretty bad.
This doesn't feel like a case of unreliable narrators to me.
Are they?

Its an observed phenomenon that a significant percentage of predators target victims with either existing credibility issues or who are socially isolated, and we have more or less consistent indications that Rosie has consistently clashed with her mother and been hostile to Jared and any of his associates ever since her mother remarried.

Its entirely possible for people to not be evil and yet genuinely disbelieve you because they dont think you're credible, or that the accused person was too credible. Especially with her glassing the dude.

Rosie subsequently being a drug user doesnt help her credibility either.
I mean, its worth remembering that Rosie was an addict before Molly whammied her, and not something relatively low-impact like marijuana; she was currently on IV heroin. That shit is relatively cheap per cut, but it adds up.

The money came from somewhere, and a teenage girl has very few avenues to pay for it outside family money.


Jared might well turn out to be a scumbag. Or just a mediocre person.
But at the moment all we know about him IC is that Rosie has never liked him, and he previously didnt interfere or interact with Molly when she visited the house to see Rosie.
 
My bet is that it wasn't so much his pride as it was him and his nearest neighbors showing up together since they had a day or so to coordinate. I don't agree on their being a noteworthy opportunity there; getting them to screw off was in the upper percentile of resolutions to that encounter.
Hmm. Possible.
But he was speaking as if for one pack/pride, not several.
Might have been two or more packs, all the local Malks of Chicago or something like that.

If Emma-O has a serious Enemy-rating from Winter then that is the kind of response I would expect for trying to set up near their territory at the least.
Honestly, if we hadn't been courteous in talking to Mab, we might have gotten even more local Winter-vassals gathered to muscle us out, but as it is I assume the higher ups know she wants to talk to us, so we only got the minor predators.

You usually don't let enemies of your boss set up near your turf, even if the cost of dislodging them might be high, it's better than letting them grow and establish in peace.

[X] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)

Not really worth lying about, unless BronzeTongue makes a better write-in I'll go with the simple option.
Doubt there's only the equivalent of two standard Malk packs in Chicago and its environs.
Furthermore, an actual Winter response would have to have involved a lot more than just malks. And I think its pretty evident that the minor predators dont actually know that Molly and Mab have met.

I dont know what Winter protocol is for running into hell lords.
But its worth remembering that while the fomor are signatories to the Unseelie Accords, they are enemies of both Summer and Winter. Yet they dont draw Fae aggro just for walking around.

Maybe Im just overthinking things.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 20, 2022 at 1:56 AM, finished with 36 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    -[X]Empathy Excellency
    -[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
    [x] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)
    [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    [X] Titania. Titania. Titania.
 
I dont know what Winter protocol is for running into hell lords.
But its worth remembering that while the fomor are signatories to the Unseelie Accords, they are enemies of both Summer and Winter. Yet they dont draw Fae aggro just for walking around.

Maybe Im just overthinking things.

Claiming a Dragon's Nest next to someone is not walking around, those things are both rare and important, they are where you build things like Demonreach, granted that is an extreme example, but that is the kind of place you need for that kind of infrastructure.
 
But its worth remembering that while the fomor are signatories to the Unseelie Accords, they are enemies of both Summer and Winter. Yet they dont draw Fae aggro just for walking around.
Would they draw aggro for trying to claim territory next to a Fey pack's territory?

And I'm aware that this is not some Winter-response from a higher level, but it does seem to be what's expected from the locals when servants of a hostile power set up camp.
For us to allow you to freely claim territory abutting ours would be a stain upon our honor yet perhaps a challenge less onerous than war can be arranged.
If lesser Winter Fey are expected to aggresivly defend their borders, then they should do so against all enemies of the Court.
 
Claiming a Dragon's Nest next to someone is not walking around, those things are both rare and important, they are where you build things like Demonreach, granted that is an extreme example, but that is the kind of place you need for that kind of infrastructure.
Fair.
Still, they arent that rare; at least six close to Chicago. To quote Cold Days:
After the table was clean, Molly spread the map out on it. It was a map of Lake Michigan and the shores around it, including Chicago and Milwaukee and on up to Green Bay. Molly passed me a pen, and I leaned over and started making marks on the map with my swollen fingers. It hurt but I ignored it. Karrin got up and came over to watch. Thomas joined us a moment later, freshly attired in a plain white T-shirt, which looked like it had been made to fit him. He's a jerk like that.
"What I'm doing here," I said, "is marking out all the nodes I remember."
"Nodes?" Butters asked.
My clumsy fingers made it a little hard to put the marks exactly where I wanted them. "The meeting points of one or more ley lines," I said. "I got to know all about them a few years ago."
"Those are like magical power cables, right?" Karrin asked.
"More or less," I said. "Sources of power that you can draw on to make major magic. And there are a lot of them in the Great Lakes region. I'm drawing from memory, but I'm pretty sure these are right."
"They are," Molly confirmed quietly. "Auntie Lea taught them to me a few months ago."
I looked up at her, eyed my battered fingers, and said, "Then why am I doing this?"
Molly rolled her eyes and took the pen. She started marking nodes rapidly and precisely on the map, including the Well on Demonreach (though the island didn't appear on the map).
"Whoever is going to attempt the spell on Demonreach has to do it from somewhere near the shore of the lake," I said. "They're almost certainly going to be at one of these nodes—the closer to the edge of the lake, the better." I pointed out several nodes near the shore. "So we need to send the guard out to check these six locations near the edge of the lake first. After that, they go after the next nearest and so on."

"Some of those are a good way off," Karrin noted. "How fast can these little guys move?"
"Fast," I said. "Faster than anyone gives them credit. They can fly and they can take shortcuts through the Nevernever. They can get to the sites and back before sundown."
Sundown. Which was when the big, bad immortals would come out to play.
"Any questions so far?" I asked, looking at Murphy.
She jerked her chin toward my brother and said, "Thomas filled me in."
"Good," I said. "Exposition gets repetitive fast. A spell like this takes time to set up, and they won't really be able to hide it if we can get eyes on the site. Once we know which of the sites shows signs of use, we can get to it and thwart whatever lunatic is using it."
"Do we know who it is yet?" Murphy asked.
"Answer unclear," I said.
"It's got to be those Outsiders, right?" Thomas asked.
"Stands to reason. But the real question is, who is helping them?"
They're pretty well mapped and known.
Would they draw aggro for trying to claim territory next to a Fey pack's territory?
And I'm aware that this is not some Winter-response from a higher level, but it does seem to be what's expected from the locals when servants of a hostile power set up camp.
I honestly dont know.
One would assume not, as long as you werent actually intruding, and looked appropriately intimidating. But Fae arent exactly predictable at the best of times. They certainly didnt do anything when the fomor started encroaching after Changes.

The RPG's writeup on Baltimore, for example, has had Summer skirmishing with ghoul clan Ereshkigal for years or decades over a leyline/node and Waygate, to the point of raid and counter-raid. Now Summer could summarily crush the ghouls if they actually bothered to concentrate the forces to do so. Yet they dont.

Yes its an excuse for a RPG scenario, but its a lot like having, say, Nepal and China in a war.
It looks odd when one hasnt summarily crushed the other a long time ago.
 
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[X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
-[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency
-[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared


There's more to etiquette than dealing with kings and queens of fae and lords of hell. It's also navigating byzantine unwritten laws of propriety that govern suburbia.

There's also a stupid part of me that wants to pull a sword out of our chest and explain them than Rosie is a wizard.
 
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Yes its an excuse for a RPG scenario, but its a lot like having, say, Nepal and China in a war.
It looks odd when one hasnt summarily crushed the other a long time ago.
It looks less odd when you realize that the China in this analogy is locked in a constant war with another equal power. So Summer has more forces then ghoul clan Ereshkigal, but assembling them means that they can't counter Winter who is always looking for an opening.

So in this situation Winter is actually a bit overmatched by Summer at this point in the timeline because the Winter Knight is unavailable so they are less likely to respond then average. Unless it comes under a deep Mab plan such as Mab thinking this might give her more leverage to get Dresden to agree to be the new Winter Knight.
 
It looks less odd when you realize that the China in this analogy is locked in a constant war with another equal power. So Summer has more forces then ghoul clan Ereshkigal, but assembling them means that they can't counter Winter who is always looking for an opening.

So in this situation Winter is actually a bit overmatched by Summer at this point in the timeline because the Winter Knight is unavailable they are less likely to respond then average. Unless it comes under a deep Mab plan such as Mab thinking this might give her more leverage to get Dresden to agree to be the new Winter Knight.
In fairness its mostly cold war with a lot of skirmishes.
 
Yes its an excuse for a RPG scenario, but its a lot like having, say, Nepal and China in a war.
It looks odd when one hasnt summarily crushed the other a long time ago.

But these are not modern states though are they? They are feudal structures, that is not just an aesthetic for Titania ruling all of Summer's interests across the world, because her time is limited, her ability to call on any of her direct vassals is limited by their interests and theirs by the interests and whims of their own vassals. All of that is I think true, but at the same time when all of Summer has to move on something they do because the nature of the fey means they cannot swear false oaths and in any case some significant portion of the power of each fey noble is personal and not delegation.
 
Are they?

Its an observed phenomenon that a significant percentage of predators target victims with either existing credibility issues or who are socially isolated, and we have more or less consistent indications that Rosie has consistently clashed with her mother and been hostile to Jared and any of his associates ever since her mother remarried.

Its entirely possible for people to not be evil and yet genuinely disbelieve you because they dont think you're credible, or that the accused person was too credible. Especially with her glassing the dude.

Rosie subsequently being a drug user doesnt help her credibility either.
I mean, its worth remembering that Rosie was an addict before Molly whammied her, and not something relatively low-impact like marijuana; she was currently on IV heroin. That shit is relatively cheap per cut, but it adds up.

The money came from somewhere, and a teenage girl has very few avenues to pay for it outside family money.
See, you say all this and my current inclination is that instead of intimidation we should go to punitive violence, because that's a load of shit. We know what motivated them, because it's already come up - image. They don't like how 'pregnant teenage daughter' looks. It's also the primary reason a lot of sexual abuse is covered up, not because of 'credibility'. Children are believed, but 'think of what the neighbours will say'. This situation will deteriorate the closer it gets to the birth and if we don't use some of that supernatural excellence to get out in front of it then we may be too late. And so what if they call the police? Any Exalt with social skills worth a damn can out-talk a couple of upper-middle-class suburbanites in the eyes of the law.
 
On rereading, the "She has enough to think about without company" really bugs me. It's a veiled "She is confined to solitary until she changes her mind and gets rid of the inconvenient baby / agrees with us" to me. This needs confirmation, of course, but it's there to my reading.

Jared's physical condition is also... intriguing. Why isn't he getting much sleep? Trouble at work? Standing watch over Rosie's door so she doesn't escape? Gambling debts to the mafia he was planning to pay off with Rosie's body and now can't? A common cold?

[X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
-[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency (or Subterfuge, whatever is more appropriate)
-[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
--[X] Infuse something of his (a cellphone if you see it, a car, if you don't) with a cyberdevil.
-[X] Stunt: The urge to put this man in his place, to call upon the terrible glory of your power and glare him into a heart attack, is there. But you are not here for him. In the end, he only matters as much as he affects Rosie's life, and you don't have enough money or power to completely support her yet. And so, you pull on your power - not to intimidate him into submission, like you would an uppity vampire, but to understand him and to navigate the byzantine set of unwritten rules that govern lives of "perfectly respectable americans". Innocently, you bat your eyelashes at him, pulling your book-filled backpack forwards as if to shield you (and to divert his attention from your appearancd): " But sir, I brought Rosie's books she asked for, and there are notes I made that we wanted to go over!"


Something like this. I feel dirty for writing it.
 
It looks less odd when you realize that the China in this analogy is locked in a constant war with another equal power. So Summer has more forces then ghoul clan Ereshkigal, but assembling them means that they can't counter Winter who is always looking for an opening.

So in this situation Winter is actually a bit overmatched by Summer at this point in the timeline because the Winter Knight is unavailable so they are less likely to respond then average. Unless it comes under a deep Mab plan such as Mab thinking this might give her more leverage to get Dresden to agree to be the new Winter Knight.
Like I said, ghoul clan.
I dont think the average clan numbers more than three figures members. And they have no magic. The relative advantages should be so crushing that the Summer Knight should be able to take a war party and clear them out in an afternoon.

Should.

But these are not modern states though are they? They are feudal structures, that is not just an aesthetic for Titania ruling all of Summer's interests across the world, because her time is limited, her ability to call on any of her direct vassals is limited by their interests and theirs by the interests and whims of their own vassals. All of that is I think true, but at the same time when all of Summer has to move on something they do because the nature of the fey means they cannot swear false oaths and in any case some significant portion of the power of each fey noble is personal and not delegation.
Are they feudal? Or is it just a neofeudal esthetic?

The usual limitations of communications and power projection that necessitate feudal society organization do not apply with the Fae. Mab is literally able to do stuff like shut down all portals in and out of Winter for 24 hours for example, and to broadcast information across Faeire.

Minor functionaries dont seem to wield the sort of power and autonomy they normally would in an actually feudal society.
The fomor and the Vampire Courts are a lot more feudal than the Sidhe Courts.

See, you say all this and my current inclination is that instead of intimidation we should go to punitive violence, because that's a load of shit. We know what motivated them, because it's already come up - image. They don't like how 'pregnant teenage daughter' looks. It's also the primary reason a lot of sexual abuse is covered up, not because of 'credibility'. Children are believed, but 'think of what the neighbours will say'. This situation will deteriorate the closer it gets to the birth and if we don't use some of that supernatural excellence to get out in front of it then we may be too late. And so what if they call the police? Any Exalt with social skills worth a damn can out-talk a couple of upper-middle-class suburbanites in the eyes of the law.
1)Thats not actually true.

The only information we've received on this so far has been statements by Rosie based on her assumptions of their motives, and she has made it abundantly clear in her limited appearance that she has always harbored significant animus towards Jared, and has resented her mother for remarrying.

I would not trust her as sole source information on her mother and mother's husband.

I mean?
God bless the girl, but only an idiot would look at her mother ensuring that she got to finish school with her classmates and wouldnt have to repeat her final year while pregnant, and see it as a nefarious plot to benefit someone else.



2)Dude. Rosie's legally 18.
In the US, they could kick her out of the house and cut her off from financial support. Either adult Wilson could have made a moral and PR case for not wanting a drug user around their minor kids.

Rosie Marcella is Mrs Wilson's kid from her previous marriage, not Jared's kid.
He did not adopt her; she bears her father's name. According to the QM, her father wasnt rich. Jared doesnt gain anything from her welfare as far as we know, and was under no obligation to take responsibility for her medical bills or subsequent care.

He's either doing so because his wife wants him to, he genuinely considers it to be his obligation to Rosie, or he thinks that it will shame him in public if she isnt cared for.
We dont know which yet.

But like I've said previously, drug dealers are not charities.
Rosie was paying for her drugs somehow, and she wasnt exactly turning tricks on street corners.
She either had a generous allowance on top of everything else from Jared, or was pilfering shit from the house.



3)Its not actually a bad thing to have serious doubts about whether your 18 year old addict ward/daughter is suitable for the major commitment of raising a child, let alone being a single mother.
Its not something you can just change your mind on partway in, and it affects two lives.

We are on Rosie's side because she is our friend. And because we know we have the magic and resources to support her.
Her mother, and mother's husband, have none of those advantages.

If I was a health professional dealing with an 18 year old pregnant addict, I would be urging her to consider adoption as well.
Stress is a risk factor for triggering addiction relapses, and there are few things as stressful as being a new single parent.



4)This isnt Ex2.
You're not actually going to prove to law enforcement that you have a right to be in a rich man's house after he has asked you to leave.
 
Are they feudal? Or is it just a neofeudal esthetic?

The usual limitations of communications and power projection that necessitate feudal society organization do not apply with the Fae. Mab is literally able to do stuff like shut down all portals in and out of Winter for 24 hours for example, and to broadcast information across Faeire.

Minor functionaries dont seem to wield the sort of power and autonomy they normally would in an actually feudal society.
The fomor and the Vampire Courts are a lot more feudal than the Sidhe Courts.

I would say they are actually feudal yes, I suspect certain rights of the nobility are enshrined in the foundational oaths of the Courts which were after all founded from mortals at a time when this kind of relationship was seen as not just normal but the only reasonable mode of organization. Since Titania and Mab are just as bound by their oaths as their subjects whatever form it had millennia ago is the form is has now, you do not get the kind of centralizing action that ended feudalism in the mortal world.

That is what I am going for in this quest in any case.
 
Vote closed, politeness wins out over trying to bend the puny mortals to your will with a look
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 20, 2022 at 6:16 AM, finished with 52 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    -[X]Empathy Excellency
    -[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
    [x] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)
    [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    [X] Titania. Titania. Titania.
    [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    -[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency (or Subterfuge, whatever is more appropriate)
    -[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
    --[X] Infuse something of his (a cellphone if you see it, a car, if you don't) with a cyberdevil.
    -[X] Stunt: The urge to put this man in his place, to call upon the terrible glory of your power and glare him into a heart attack, is there. But you are not here for him. In the end, he only matters as much as he affects Rosie's life, and you don't have enough money or power to completely support her yet. And so, you pull on your power - not to intimidate him into submission, like you would an uppity vampire, but to understand him and to navigate the byzantine set of unwritten rules that govern lives of "perfectly respectable americans". Innocently, you bat your eyelashes at him, pulling your book-filled backpack forwards as if to shield you (and to divert his attention from your appearancd): " But sir, I brought Rosie's books she asked for, and there are notes I made that we wanted to go over!"
 
I would say they are actually feudal yes, I suspect certain rights of the nobility are enshrined in the foundational oaths of the Courts which were after all founded from mortals at a time when this kind of relationship was seen as not just normal but the only reasonable mode of organization. Since Titania and Mab are just as bound by their oaths as their subjects whatever form it had millennia ago is the form is has now, you do not get the kind of centralizing action that ended feudalism in the mortal world.

That is what I am going for in this quest in any case.
given a lot of individual fae and even species came later and a lot of oaths were probably focused on individuals and groups. So a lot has likely changed over the years. Though of course plenty of oaths probably apply to specific mantles which at the very least every single eldest of a fae species has a minor one at the very least.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 20, 2022 at 6:16 AM, finished with 52 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    -[X]Empathy Excellency
    -[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
    [x] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)
    [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    [X] Titania. Titania. Titania.
    [X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob
    -[X]Empathy and Etiquette Excellency (or Subterfuge, whatever is more appropriate)
    -[X]Make mental note to have cyberdevils look up Jared
    --[X] Infuse something of his (a cellphone if you see it, a car, if you don't) with a cyberdevil.
    -[X] Stunt: The urge to put this man in his place, to call upon the terrible glory of your power and glare him into a heart attack, is there. But you are not here for him. In the end, he only matters as much as he affects Rosie's life, and you don't have enough money or power to completely support her yet. And so, you pull on your power - not to intimidate him into submission, like you would an uppity vampire, but to understand him and to navigate the byzantine set of unwritten rules that govern lives of "perfectly respectable americans". Innocently, you bat your eyelashes at him, pulling your book-filled backpack forwards as if to shield you (and to divert his attention from your appearancd): " But sir, I brought Rosie's books she asked for, and there are notes I made that we wanted to go over!"
 
Arc 4 Post 20: Dreaming Bigger
Dreaming Bigger

13th of August 2006 A.D.

Hiding the inward sigh you very much want to make aloud and very much hiding the urge to stare down Jared as the annoying impediment he is you plaster the most helpful look you can manage on your features and hold out the small bag of books. "I know she isn't feeling well, but I have some books she asked me for. I always like to curl up with a book when I'm feeling down." Back when you and Rosie romped around the backyard and Mrs Wilson was a lot more friendly she used to compliment your reading habits, though rather too much of it came in the shape of backhanded complaints at Rosie's expense for your liking.

"I... alright," she says, shaking her head as if you being here is an imposition on her schedule.

"Maybe she could use someone to talk to," Jared allows, though he seemingly cannot help himself from adding: "God knows she won't talk to her mother or me."

Maybe if you would ever listen to what she tells you she would be inclined to talk, you think behind the smiling facade.

With that you make your escape up the long exceedingly white stairway that is probably a nightmare to clean especially with... you dodge an overexcited twelve year old waving an ice cream cone around as he rushes into the kitchen to talk to his parents. The smile you offer him is a little more genuine than the one you had downstairs, but it's gone as soon as you reach the door of Rosie's bedroom.

Time to teach that which I don't know enough to practice yourself about magic that can get someone killed or soul-lost for eternity. No pressure.

Rosie herself looks wan as she opens the door and you do not like the look of those shadows under her eyes, but she sounds stronger than at the hospital. "Glad mom let you through OK, thought I'd have to argue with her about it but before I could get down there my new house guest decided she had other ideas."

"House guest?" Happy as you are to hear her joke about her pregnancy you know her too well to miss the fact that the shadows behind her eyes are even worse than the ones under them.

"I have no idea what to call her so that will have to do for now..." She sighs and looks away for a moment. "They they didn't even want me to go to Ken's funeral you know. Said it would just make the nightmares worse. Like they care about my nightmares."

"Maybe they... maybe your mom does. Sometimes parents are bad about how they show it."

"Oh yeah like how?" You do not like seeing her like this, slumping down on the bed like it it not even worth the effort to stand or even sit. The bed itself looks like it has not been made in a couple of days at least, not to mention... Maybe it's unfair of you but you eye all the pill boxes on the nightstand with suspicion.

"When I first got these... powers mom wanted to figure out a way to exorcise them even though they were the same thing I had just used to escape from the fetches. I still don't think she's comfortable with them, maybe she never will be."

"What would your mom had done if you had gotten yourself pregnant?" Rosie asks bluntly.

The silence stretches taunt, as you try to avoid the answer both of you know to be true, mom would have been angry as hell if you had been that irresponsible, but in the end she would have been supportive and so of course would dad, like family is supposed to. The other side of it that you really don't like thinking of is that you would never have been irresponsible enough to get pregnant not with all the ways to have sex without any risk of it.

"She would have done the best she could, same as most of us do. Sometimes our best isn't that good though, everyone makes mistakes..." At this point you are not sure if you are talking about Mrs Wilson or yourself.

Rosie does not sound very convinced, but she does nod. "So you said something about teaching me spooky stuff, is that what," she motions to the books, "those are about?"

"Yeah, I got some pointers from a friend..."

"Friend Harry?" She raises a suggestive eyebrow, but you do not rise to be bait.

"A friend of his actually, he's an old French scholar of the occult and I'm afraid to say that is what you need to learn before we can get to the lucid dreaming stuff, otherwise it would be like trying to learn architecture without knowing any algebra."

And with that you are off to the most important tutoring you have ever offered. Thankfully Rosie proves a quick and intuitive study, catching on to the metaphors you are using and not needing nearly as much doubling back as Bob told you you might need. You show up every day, sometimes with candy, sometimes with snacks, always with some news of the world, always with the books and the notepad that only grows more and more full of your own spidery script and also soon of her own much nicer writing.

***​

19th of August 2006 A.D.

"Imagine you have a hamster in a maze, it can only go in two dimensions, but if you pick up the hamster and move it through a third dimension to set it down somewhere else to its hamster brain that is teleporting. That is the roughest definition of the spirit world, a plane perpendicular on a spirit-ward direction upon all axis of space and also the axis of time. That is why you get the stories about people falling into another world for three days and then coming out a hundred years later, but it is also why spirits can see the future because they are not bound to the contours of the maze which in Hindu tradition is called maya the veil of illusion. It is not that our world is not real in any sense, but rather that it is a much narrower subset of reality than we like to imagine. So those who transcend it appear more 'magical' than mortals, but ever forget the hamster has legs too and if it gets lucky or works hard enough it can jump the walls all on its own."

"So I'm a hamster now?" Rose jokes. "With the way my face is starting to look I can believe it." But you can see the fascination in her eyes, and even more importantly the need to understand, to get back some control of at least this part of her life.

"The wizards of the White Council," you continue. "Call spirits that as if they had a monopoly on that particular realm of existence, but really we are all a creatures of spirit as much as of flesh, like a diamond hidden behind a leaf. That is why everyone can do some magic, like make a Circle to bind others in or out. But it is when we dream that the wind blows and the leaf flutters letting the diamond shine through. We are all of us kings and queens of our ephemeral dreaming domains, that crumble when we wake. That is as far as it goes for most, they turn their eyes away from the borders of their dream, looking not into the wider spirit realm which those same magicians call the Nevernever. Can you guess why that is?"

"Because of Peter Pan?"

"Other way around, J. M. Barrie was a wizard with a weird sense of humor," you answer. Another random tidbit from Bob's seemingly endless stash. "It's because there is never a never there, all things are possible, though not all of them are just as likely, it is the realm of endless permutations of form and symbols. What you did was like making a window in a sand castle and looking out onto the vastness of the ocean, the place unstuck from time."

"So I have to figure out how to make a stronger castle...?" Rosie asks leaning in closer.

"No." You shake your head ruefully. "First you have to figure out how to close the window and pull the blinds."

This is the bit you are afraid of, the step you cannot chop up into pieces and serve one at a time, the leap into darkness which intellect alone cannot bridge and only upon wings of one's own will can you fly.

Turns out you needn't have worried, Rosie's a natural.

She wakes up with a smile gingerly taking off the goofy purple earmuffs you had gotten her to help block out the noise of the world around her. "That easy huh?"

You hug her. "Nah Rosie, you are just that great."

Results
  • Rosie Gains Occult 1
  • Rosie Gains 3/10 Progress towards Oneiromancy 1
  • Rosie Gains 1 Permanent Willpower from the renewed self-confidence of extraordinary success -> Now at 3 Willpower
"Can I..." Even though she is practically whispering in your ear she stops, not daring to finish the question. "Can I come out with you some night me meet wizard-type people. I want to... I feel like I am good at this."

You want nothing more than to say yet, but at the same time the obvious question presents itself. "What's your mom going to think about that."

"She is going to think that if I take one step out of the house unsupervised I'm going to get drugs, but she and Jared have this charity thing tonight I can sneak out easy. Please. "

What do you reply?

[] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life

[] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it si fragile enough as it is

[] Write in


OOC: Well that worked about as well as it could have.
 
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