Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life

Hell to the yeah!
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Edit: If Rosie gets caught, and access becomes an issue some sort of low-end smartphone, but it's sneakily integrated into a piece of fabric like a scrunchie or a (self cleaning) sock might be handy.
 
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So far most of our adventures involved taking some bullets (or tentacles) to the face.

Not sure it's responsible to take a still very normal human out with us.
 
Ah yes, the dilemma of "smothering parents terrified for their child's well-being because teenagers have absolutely shit decision-making skills" vs "the daughter trapped in a cage longing for the freedom to do morally questionable activities."

A tale as old as time.

I'll pick Rosie's side. It sounded a lot more fun and exciting then staying put.

[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
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[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
Ah yes, the dilemma of "smothering parents terrified for their child's well-being because teenagers have absolutely shit decision-making skills" vs "the daughter trapped in a cage longing for the freedom to do morally questionable activities."
There's also the 'Rosie was sexually assaulted by someone at her stepdads club and her mother chose to not believe her.'

So uh. That rather changes the tenor of the relationship between Rosie and her mother & stepdad, to the point where I think your framing of [gestures at circumstances] is very offbase.

From Rosie's pov, her mother who was supposed to protect her chose to not do that (huge betrayal) Rosie's stepdad is a... threat vector.
Honestly Rosie ain't wrong.
 
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There's also the 'Rosie was sexually assaulted by someone at her stepdads club and her mother chose to not believe her.'

So uh. That rather changes the tenor of the relationship between Rosie and her mother & stepdad, to the point where I think your framing of [gestures at circumstances] is very offbase.

From Rosie's pov, her mother who was supposed to protect her chose to not do that (huge betrayal) Rosie's stepdad is a... threat vector.
Honestly Rosie ain't wrong.
Wait, that happened?!

Okay, whoa. Apologies for my thoughtless comment then. I need to reread bits of this quest again because I think forgot a lot about the Rosie stuff.
 
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[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
What we have here is a classic example of teenager stupidity and inability to comprehend the consequences of their actions. Rosie wanting to slip out is perfectly understandable given the circumstances, but there are several issues with her actually doing it.

She's basically on house arrest as far as her parents are concerned, and with very good reason from any responsible adult POV. A recent hospitalization, known drug use, pregnancy, emotional fragility, etc.

Even if everything goes well, with no supernatural or muggle issues cropping up to ruin Rosie's outing, discovery after the fact that she took the opportunity of her parent's absence to sneak out could easily end with her virtual house arrest becoming literal house arrest. With multiple younger siblings in the house, there will probably be a babysitter or caretaker to keep an eye on them, not to mention the danger of one of them spilling the beans.

Her parents have the means, even if that means sending Rosie off somewhere "for her own good". Even if that worst case scenario is avoided, best case would end with her being barred from having visitors, Molly in particular. Rosie still needs important instruction only we can provide, so doing anything to threaten that lifeline is a bad idea.

[X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
 
What we have here is a classic example of teenager stupidity and inability to comprehend the consequences of their actions. Rosie wanting to slip out is perfectly understandable given the circumstances, but there are several issues with her actually doing it.

She's basically on house arrest as far as her parents are concerned, and with very good reason from any responsible adult POV. A recent hospitalization, known drug use, pregnancy, emotional fragility, etc.

Even if everything goes well, with no supernatural or muggle issues cropping up to ruin Rosie's outing, discovery after the fact that she took the opportunity of her parent's absence to sneak out could easily end with her virtual house arrest becoming literal house arrest. With multiple younger siblings in the house, there will probably be a babysitter or caretaker to keep an eye on them, not to mention the danger of one of them spilling the beans.

Her parents have the means, even if that means sending Rosie off somewhere "for her own good". Even if that worst case scenario is avoided, best case would end with her being barred from having visitors, Molly in particular. Rosie still needs important instruction only we can provide, so doing anything to threaten that lifeline is a bad idea.

[X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
Keep in mind that Rosie is 18.

What power her parents have is based on money and house, not on law or costum.
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
Keep in mind that Rosie is 18.

What power her parents have is based on money and house, not on law or costum.
That only goes so far when you're an unemployed pregnant teenage drug addict. Rosie's short-term options are either do what her parents say or leave and likely be cut off from any support beyond what we can provide.

Just because she can do something doesn't mean that she should.
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
-[X] Use Subterfuge excellency
-[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
-[X] Have cyberdevils create a website advertising Harry's services, in case it gets looked up. Make sure it's indicated that he's a police consultant.
-[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things. You flip open a phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. It shouldn't be hard to get Rosie's parents to agree to let her go, if she's not sneaking out with you to do scary occult stuff, but going to meet your father's private detective friend, who works with police and can explain to her dangers of narcotics much better than booklets can. Especially if your dad acts as a chaperone.


Our dad knows about magic and about dangers of untrained talents and is a good guy. He should be known as a good guy. he could cover for you here, without lying even. We just need to present Harry in a certain way. The less we lie, the less we can get caught lying about.
 
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What we have here is a classic example of teenager stupidity and inability to comprehend the consequences of their actions. Rosie wanting to slip out is perfectly understandable given the circumstances, but there are several issues with her actually doing it.

She's basically on house arrest as far as her parents are concerned, and with very good reason from any responsible adult POV. A recent hospitalization, known drug use, pregnancy, emotional fragility, etc.
I think it worthwhile to examine this from Rosie's pov. How she is (likely) experiencing things:

What we have here is classic example an victim of sexual assault being confined via the (implicit?) threat of poverty and homelessness for her and her newborn baby by the person who is partially responsible (as it was Jared's club friend) for her being assaulted and the person she hoped would help, who refused to protect her, when she spoke up (her mother). Emotionally, that's the sort of betrayal that tends to not be forgiven for decades (if ever) - and Mrs Wilson has strong emotional incentive to never believe Rosie.

To make my stance clear: Rosie should not be in that house. She should have a place of her own and with that the power to set and enforce boundaries.

Rosie does not know that she has options. She thinks; that for the future wellbeing of her child she has to stay with her mother and stepdad. She doesn't know she has an 'out' - does not know that Molly can basically print a fair amount of money, easily enough for Rosie to get her own flat and support herself and her baby.

Taking her out to facilitate her making new healthy social connections, on her terms where she gets to have a say is, imo, very important. The woman needs to make friends and have opportunities to meaningfully express her own agency in decision making. That ain't gonna happen if we leave her with Jared and Mrs Wilson.
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Neither her mother or stepdad qualify as 'responsible adult'. And where they are coming from, how things look from their perspective and if they make 'the right choice based on the information they have' stopped mattering... in around the time Mrs. Wilson chose to not believe Rosie when her daughter told her one of Jared's club friends tried to rape her.
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Edit: Ohhh! Idea! So this is looking to the mid-term future and this situation is complicated and messy but we have a nuclear option that I kinda wanna use:

Say Rosie gets her own place and gets settled in; then her mother and Jared are going to come and ask 'how that hell are you managing this income?' Buttt if Rosie is in an emotional place where she can talk to someone about what was done to her, she might talk to Charity before that.

And if Charity is aware then Rosie gets two things: Access to a babysitter and a source of parenting advice and assistance, and a scary adult woman who is going to go full Mama Bear when Mrs. Wilson and Jared show up. I mean, we player's don't need to see it - even off-screen having Charity on Rosie's side is a pretty big deal.
 
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Where were we told that Rosie was raped?

Apart from Molly mind-raping her; that is?

Let's be clear, a pregnant teenage drug addict suffering from the side effects of black magic being used to violate her free will probably isn't competent to live on her own an look after herself and a baby. She probably doesn't have the judgment and ability to make appropriate new friends or to set and maintain boundaries.
 
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Where were we told that Rosie was raped?

Apart from Molly mind-raping her; that is?

Let's be clear, a pregnant teenage drug addict suffering from the side effects of black magic being used to violate her free will probably isn't competent to live on her own an look after herself and a baby. She probably doesn't have the judgment and ability to make appropriate new friends or to set and maintain boundaries.

We are talking about this part:
You would almost rather she asks you about wicked faeries. When Rosie had been fifteen one of said 'golf buddies' had put his hands on her and he had only taken no for an answer when she had smashed a glass over his head. Some monsters are all too human. Her mother hadn't believed a word she said. Maybe that is why she'd been so eager to be with Ken from the start, at least that was something she chose even if it had ended... poorly.

To avoid confusion, the baby is the result of a consensual relationship with her boyfriend, but yes, she had been sexually assaulted by a friend of her father and had to get away by fighting back and her parents didn't give a single shit about it. They are not good parents and definitely not the kind of people she needs around her right now.

Also, her parents don't want her to keep the baby anyways.

"Mom wants me to put the baby up for adoption, says it would ruin my life not to," she continues. "I don't wanna give her up, my life's already ruined anyway." she starts crying softly.

"Shh," you wish you could hug her, but you are a block of ice still, all you can do is talk. "It'll be alright."

"No... it won't... nothing will be alright again..." she gets out between sobs. "I don't have any money and mom won't support the baby."

So, saying she can't look after her baby alone isn't much of an argument on the parents' side.
 
If only Molly knew somebody wealthy who could set up completely respectable church-approved charitable organization that could employ Rosie in a part-time fashion...
 
To avoid confusion, the baby is the result of a consensual relationship with her boyfriend, but yes, she had been sexually assaulted by a friend of her father and had to get away by fighting back and her parents didn't give a single shit about it. They are not good parents and definitely not the kind of people she needs around her right now.

'Put his hands on her' is certainly sexually assault, and traumatic, but it's not being raped.
 
'Put his hands on her' is certainly sexually assault, and traumatic, but it's not being raped.
Yes. That is technically correct. I misremembered the information we had been presented with and have updated my post above to use the phrase 'attempted rape' (what with Rosie being 15 and all and Jared's friend being a grown adult).

My point and underlying reasoning are unchanged by this edit.
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
'Put his hands on her' is certainly sexually assault, and traumatic, but it's not being raped.
She wasn't raped because she got away, it's not hard to imagine what would have happened if the predator got his way. Anyways, if we return to her parents, this doesn't really change the point here. She was sexually assaulted and her parents ignored it. They are not going to help her now if they didn't help her back then. She shouldn't be alone, yes, she needs people, but hopefully other, better people than her parents. Everything I saw about her parents up to this point suggests they are more likely to affect her negatively. They clearly care more about protecting their image than protecting their daughter.

[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
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