Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Malks are not house cats.
Dont mistake the fact that they look like cats for them actually being cats.
Thats like mistaking a nacken for a horse.
And I suspect that rats inhabiting these corridors are not always just rats.

Also, yeah, they are not ready to actually fight us. This is posturing. They are basically aggroing us for their own internal social dynamics purposes. To show themselves that they are big and mean and strong, and don't take sh*t from no one. At least that's my reading. By consenting to fight them, we are playing their game. We should firmly establish that they have no hold here. We are ready to cooperate, but we aren't ready to submit at all.
 
I'm still not sure what the point of this is. We're not competing in a game show, they care about their interests and showing off only matters in so far as is presents the case that they can't win against us.
Something they already believe or they'd be trying to kill us right now.

There's also the risk that we flub something through the cruelty of the dice gods, and that they jump us after we all but mote tap ourselves. Especially since you're taking our primary combat skill off the table.

You're not even actually resolving anything with this; we win the challenge as everyone here expects and then we're back to this but with an elaborate intimidation check behind us. We don't benefit from overcomplicating this situation; the only reason they're even here is that we have the advantage. Press them to screw off in exchange for not being screwed with and I think they'll stop being a problem.
Briefly?This is about reputation and deterrence.
And bonus XP.
I'll try to expand when I get back.
My apologies, I had to run errands. To continue:

1) They care about their interests and that of Winter.
Hence this open challenge, apparently, instead of a surprise attack from the shadows. They gave up the element of surprise despite its being something they exploit because factional interests trump tribal ones. Or so it seems.


2) Furthermore, we gain bonus XP by completing bonus objectives.
Objectives like dealing with the neighbors in a manner that secures not just their acquiesence but their cooperation seems like the sort of thing that qualifies.


3)Malk are Fae. They cant actually break their word without being Nfected; not even the Queens can make them do it.
If they accept a contest, they have to abide by its rules. If they break their word because Nemesis-infection, and try to jump us, we activate the sword Aspect and go to town. The risk of their being sble to mote tap and rush us is minimal.


4) I am not taking our primary combat skill off the table.
I am taking the sword off the table, because its a demon sword of fire that deals Agg.
The shield is a weapon with all the characteristics of a dagger.
Gained Dark Sun Shield

  • Parry difficulty reduced to 4
  • Can serve as a throw weapon with the same characteristics as a dagger at need
  • Anomalous Quality: Can be folded down enough to fit in a purse and unfolds in the same turn it is drawn thanks to the clockwork mechanism
According to Vampire the Dark Ages thats a Str+1 weapon.


5)We have a surprise negator, two armor charms and flight, and the tunnels are either high enough for us to seize the high ground, or cramped enough they can only approach a couple at a time.

Furthermore, I went to some effort to demonstrate the size and power differences involved here.
Look at the size comparison between an adult human and a bobcat. Note how Dresden benchmarked them to Gard.
A prepared Molly isnt in lethal danger from a malk pack, even without motes.

They're already deterred, it's why the cabal of twenty magical sadists is talking instead of fighting. We start a demo and all we do is create an opportunity for failure, and get no extra points for being perfect.
It's our challenge, we wouldn't be making it if we couldn't do it after all.
No, they havent been deterred.
They have been mollified. They no longer think we are a factional threat, a servitor of Enma-O they MUST fight regardless of advantage or circumstances.

However, they havent actually been deterred from poking at us and ours yet.
Because right now, we claim to be a Human who claimed a treasure of Winter and got magical power.

Its noted that sheer intimidation might work for deterrence, but might also leave resentment that can be exploited against us or our minions by interlopers. This is a Dragons Nest, a valuable location for supernaturals and mischiefmakers alike, and as neighbors they'll be privy to a lot of our comings and goings.

If they simply share information with others who choose to strike at our holdings, they would have broken no oaths, for example.
We still have that Enemy Denarians 2 on our character sheet.
It is going to come into play eventually.

And like I've mentioned previously, how we win is as important as winning itself.
At least for your reputation among the Fae.
 
And I suspect that rats inhabiting these corridors are not always just rats.

Also, yeah, they are not ready to actually fight us. This is posturing. They are basically aggroing us for their own internal social dynamics purposes. To show themselves that they are big and mean and strong, and don't take sh*t from no one. At least that's my reading. By consenting to fight them, we are playing their game. We should firmly establish that they have no hold here. We are ready to cooperate, but we aren't ready to submit at all.
1)Supernatural or mutant rats are not a thing in-universe.
The closest Dresdenfiles has was a nature spirit who summoned rats and spoke through them in the Down Town comics, I think.
No wannabe skaven here, thanks.

And probably for exactly that reason, because Butcher didnt want to deal with the comparisons or GW's legendary litigiousness.
My speculation, at least.

2)No they are not.
We have rolled multiple Legendary successes on our Social Perception roll.
This is not speculation: We KNOW they arent here for internal social posturing.
 
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1)Supernatural or mutant rats are not a thing in-universe.
The closest Dresdenfiles has was a nature spirit who summoned rats and spoke through them in the Down Town comics, I think.
No wannabe skaven here, thanks.

And probably for exactly that reason, because Butcher didnt want to deal with the comparisons or GW's legendary litigiousness.
My speculation, at least.

2)No they are not.
We have rolled multiple Legendary successes on our Social Perception roll.
This is not speculation: We KNOW they arent here for internal social posturing.
I wouldn't say they don't exist uju like here probably not. Dresden files is a kitchen sink literally everything exists somewhere in the nevernever at the very least. The worlds fucking huge and it's made clear that Dresden has barely touched most of it.

[X] Plan Herding Cats

Also I think yogs gives too much away and acts like we are an equal to mab when we aren't even an equal to the erl king much less mab.
 
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I wouldn't say they don't exist uju like here probably not. Dresden files is a kitchen sink literally everything exists somewhere in the nevernever at the very least. The worlds fucking huge and it's made clear that Dresden has barely touched most of it.

[X] Plan Herding Cats

Also I think yogs gives too much away and acts like we are an equal to mab when we aren't even an equal to the erl king much less mab.
If mutant rats exist, they dont exist in Chicago.
We have never seen them onscreen or just mentioned, and there's hundreds of thousands of Wyldfae in Chicago.
And we've literally had stories with kraken, bird people, shoggoths and naga

I do agree that Yog's plan is writing checks we cant cash.

Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 19, 2022 at 11:02 AM, finished with 64 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Make another offer, a sane one. The Jade Dogs could use friendly neighbors
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency
    -[X] STUNT: The eyes of your crown focus on the malk's shape, green flames casting eerie shadows on the corridor's walls. Frost that isn't kin to Winter permeates the air as you speak: "Bold you are, Chapalu, to demand tribute of me, and to call me a thief, when your Queen would not do so. I have offered these people protection, and you insult me by proposing I play games with it. I am, however, not so easily roused to anger. I will propose another bargain - swear that you shall bring no harm to this place or its dwellers, and serve here for a year and a day, as your mortal kin served mortal dwellings since times immemorial, hunting vermin. In exchange, I shall provide you with food fitting king's table, and gift upon you armor fitting your form. What say you, Chapalu?"
    [X] Plan Skin a Cat
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency, and TLF where applicable to protect the ghouls from attack.
    -[X] Stunt: As Molly takes a breath, so to does the tunnel seem to breathe with her; a cold breeze carrying the scent of distant fires threading through the gaps in brick and stone."Whatever else they are, the Jade dogs are mine Malk. You'd do well to remember that"
    -[X] As the shadows lean in towards her, Molly continues to speak. "Today you came to meet what might have been a dangerous enemy, and have already gained back the peace you thought lost. No foolish youth are you, to risk one prize for another unsought"
    -[X] " Rather than risking what we both seek, why shouldn't we both take more of the same? I have no real interest in what's yours, nor you in what I've claimed. Not all of our neighbors can honestly make that claim"
    -[X] " Each of us handling the trouble makers leaves us both better off"
    [X] Plan Herding Cats
    -[X]Challenge the pack. Combat to yield. OR they hide an item for Molly to retrieve, with them attempting to impede her.
    -[X]Dark Sun Shield + VLE + Melee Excellency if necessary.
    -[X]No sword. No Transcendent Anathema.Pour bottle of water over head to activate BSM
    -[X]STUNT: "Molly, what are you doing?" Lydia hisses urgently at you as your fingers tie your hair back from your face. "Making a point" you murmur in reply, twisting a foot to check the fit of your shoes. "Also, getting a closer look at them for the Dogs." Satisfied, you finally empty a water bottle over your head, and pick up your shield before turning to face Chapala.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] Why don't we take it to a step further. Hunt me if you can, if not - I'll have a nice set of rugs.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] "I can offer you blood Malk, but I cannot promise it will be mine, and I am not one to run and hide. Hunt me and I will show you my blade." Molly flexes her knuckles as if to caress the hilt of her blade. "Hunt one one of mine," Molly meets the Malk dead in it's eyes "and I WILL know, and it will be the last thing you see."
 
If mutant rats exist, they dont exist in Chicago.
We have never seen them onscreen or just mentioned, and there's hundreds of thousands of Wyldfae in Chicago.
And we've literally had stories with kraken, bird people, shoggoths and naga

I do agree that Yog's plan is writing checks we cant cash.

Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 19, 2022 at 11:02 AM, finished with 64 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Make another offer, a sane one. The Jade Dogs could use friendly neighbors
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency
    -[X] STUNT: The eyes of your crown focus on the malk's shape, green flames casting eerie shadows on the corridor's walls. Frost that isn't kin to Winter permeates the air as you speak: "Bold you are, Chapalu, to demand tribute of me, and to call me a thief, when your Queen would not do so. I have offered these people protection, and you insult me by proposing I play games with it. I am, however, not so easily roused to anger. I will propose another bargain - swear that you shall bring no harm to this place or its dwellers, and serve here for a year and a day, as your mortal kin served mortal dwellings since times immemorial, hunting vermin. In exchange, I shall provide you with food fitting king's table, and gift upon you armor fitting your form. What say you, Chapalu?"
    [X] Plan Skin a Cat
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency, and TLF where applicable to protect the ghouls from attack.
    -[X] Stunt: As Molly takes a breath, so to does the tunnel seem to breathe with her; a cold breeze carrying the scent of distant fires threading through the gaps in brick and stone."Whatever else they are, the Jade dogs are mine Malk. You'd do well to remember that"
    -[X] As the shadows lean in towards her, Molly continues to speak. "Today you came to meet what might have been a dangerous enemy, and have already gained back the peace you thought lost. No foolish youth are you, to risk one prize for another unsought"
    -[X] " Rather than risking what we both seek, why shouldn't we both take more of the same? I have no real interest in what's yours, nor you in what I've claimed. Not all of our neighbors can honestly make that claim"
    -[X] " Each of us handling the trouble makers leaves us both better off"
    [X] Plan Herding Cats
    -[X]Challenge the pack. Combat to yield. OR they hide an item for Molly to retrieve, with them attempting to impede her.
    -[X]Dark Sun Shield + VLE + Melee Excellency if necessary.
    -[X]No sword. No Transcendent Anathema.Pour bottle of water over head to activate BSM
    -[X]STUNT: "Molly, what are you doing?" Lydia hisses urgently at you as your fingers tie your hair back from your face. "Making a point" you murmur in reply, twisting a foot to check the fit of your shoes. "Also, getting a closer look at them for the Dogs." Satisfied, you finally empty a water bottle over your head, and pick up your shield before turning to face Chapala.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] Why don't we take it to a step further. Hunt me if you can, if not - I'll have a nice set of rugs.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] "I can offer you blood Malk, but I cannot promise it will be mine, and I am not one to run and hide. Hunt me and I will show you my blade." Molly flexes her knuckles as if to caress the hilt of her blade. "Hunt one one of mine," Molly meets the Malk dead in it's eyes "and I WILL know, and it will be the last thing you see."
That doesn't really change the fact that Dresden's for all he's seen hasn't seen even a majority of the things in the world. Also I never said they're in Chicago also probably wouldn't call them mutant rats if we were gonna meet super rats they'd probably be something from one mythology or another. If it comes down to it I know for a fact we could make super rats if we wanted later so I doubt we'd be the first.

Edit: also sorry gonna vote for the other plan I don't want yogs to pass.

[X] Plan Skin a Cat
 
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That doesn't really change the fact that Dresden's for all he's seen hasn't seen even a majority of the things in the world. Also I never said they're in Chicago also probably wouldn't call them mutant rats if we were gonna meet super rats they'd probably be something from one mythology or another. If it comes down to it I know for a fact we could make super rats if we wanted later so I doubt we'd be the first.

Edit: also sorry gonna vote for the other plan I don't want yogs to pass.

[X] Plan Skin a Cat
1)The comment I was responding to was specifically talking about Chicago's Undertown.
As for Dresden, he's not perfect, but he does have a reasonable grasp on the common denizens of the local area, as well as globally.

2)Your vote is your own.
You can always approval vote if you so choose.
 
1)The comment I was responding to was specifically talking about Chicago's Undertown.
As for Dresden, he's not perfect, but he does have a reasonable grasp on the common denizens of the local area, as well as globally.

2)Your vote is your own.
You can always approval vote if you so choose.
Well yeah just a note as I did mention in my own comment if they were to be found its unlikely to be in undertown. Also a good grasp does not tell you everything when everything is large. I guarantee there are youkai of some kind in japan for instance I doubt dresden knows much about creatures like that or other eastern stuff like rakshasas. Like I'm sure ebenezar has touched those areas or his masters masters a lot of their more solid info would be european though.
 
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Votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Dec 19, 2022 at 12:49 PM, finished with 72 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Plan Skin a Cat
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency, and TLF where applicable to protect the ghouls from attack.
    -[X] Stunt: As Molly takes a breath, so to does the tunnel seem to breathe with her; a cold breeze carrying the scent of distant fires threading through the gaps in brick and stone."Whatever else they are, the Jade dogs are mine Malk. You'd do well to remember that"
    -[X] As the shadows lean in towards her, Molly continues to speak. "Today you came to meet what might have been a dangerous enemy, and have already gained back the peace you thought lost. No foolish youth are you, to risk one prize for another unsought"
    -[X] " Rather than risking what we both seek, why shouldn't we both take more of the same? I have no real interest in what's yours, nor you in what I've claimed. Not all of our neighbors can honestly make that claim"
    -[X] " Each of us handling the trouble makers leaves us both better off"
    [X] Make another offer, a sane one. The Jade Dogs could use friendly neighbors
    -[X] Use intimidation excellency
    -[X] STUNT: The eyes of your crown focus on the malk's shape, green flames casting eerie shadows on the corridor's walls. Frost that isn't kin to Winter permeates the air as you speak: "Bold you are, Chapalu, to demand tribute of me, and to call me a thief, when your Queen would not do so. I have offered these people protection, and you insult me by proposing I play games with it. I am, however, not so easily roused to anger. I will propose another bargain - swear that you shall bring no harm to this place or its dwellers, and serve here for a year and a day, as your mortal kin served mortal dwellings since times immemorial, hunting vermin. In exchange, I shall provide you with food fitting king's table, and gift upon you armor fitting your form. What say you, Chapalu?"
    [X] Plan Herding Cats
    -[X]Challenge the pack. Combat to yield. OR they hide an item for Molly to retrieve, with them attempting to impede her.
    -[X]Dark Sun Shield + VLE + Melee Excellency if necessary.
    -[X]No sword. No Transcendent Anathema.Pour bottle of water over head to activate BSM
    -[X]STUNT: "Molly, what are you doing?" Lydia hisses urgently at you as your fingers tie your hair back from your face. "Making a point" you murmur in reply, twisting a foot to check the fit of your shoes. "Also, getting a closer look at them for the Dogs." Satisfied, you finally empty a water bottle over your head, and pick up your shield before turning to face Chapala.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] Why don't we take it to a step further. Hunt me if you can, if not - I'll have a nice set of rugs.
    [X] Intimidate the malks into some kind of peace
    -[X] "I can offer you blood Malk, but I cannot promise it will be mine, and I am not one to run and hide. Hunt me and I will show you my blade." Molly flexes her knuckles as if to caress the hilt of her blade. "Hunt one one of mine," Molly meets the Malk dead in it's eyes "and I WILL know, and it will be the last thing you see."
 
Arc 4 Post 19: From Sewer to Suburb
From Sewer to Suburb

13th of August 2006 A.D.

As you breathe in it seems almost as though a faint breeze passes through the stagnant air of the tunnel, the scent of distant fires threading through the gaps in brick and stone. "Whatever else they are, the Jade dogs are mine Malk. You'd do well to remember that." Shadows lean closer as you speak like councilors offering to whisper in your ear, arcane insights into the predator before you: "Today you came to meet what might have been a dangerous enemy, and have already gained back the peace you thought lost. No foolish youth are you, to risk one prize for another unsought. Rather than risking what we both seek, why shouldn't we both take more of the same? I have no real interest in what's yours, nor you in what I've claimed."

It is a statement and not a question, though before you can soften your tone the fey cat recoils. So speaks Chapalu in mewling voice behind which lurks the hiss of anger thwarted: "May you have all the joy of their degenerate company which fills all the middens of the world with reek and all the houses of men with wailing. We would not dream of robbing you of even one of such affliction."

With that he is gone into the dark... and from the sound of many claws scratching above it is clear he had even more company than you had assumed. The usual Malk pride runs at about a score to two dozen. This sounds like there are about twice than many up there. Still you had gotten a promise out of them, wrapped in insults as it may have been, and more to the point you had made it clear just how bad things could go for them if they meddled with the Jade Dogs.

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14th of August 2006 A.D.

Essence Restored to full -> Now at 12/12

If there was a place more different to undertwon on the surface than Oak Brook some twenty odd miles from the loop you do not know what it is. In place of the dark dank tunnels wide roads and cul-de-sacs watched over by the trees for which it gets its name. No dark pools of stagnant water filled with God knows what here, only calm duck ponds, home to some very well fed ducks. And to top it all off instead of the pervasive hunger where anything and anyone can be food if they are unlucky Oak Brook has McDonald's, not a McDonald's, the worldwide headquarters.
It's what I eat and what I do, Rosie would sometimes joke mimicking the tone of the weird TV add determined to convince you that a stomach filled with fries and ground beef is just right for a day of extreme snowboarding.

Emerald expanses of lawn ripple in the morning breeze right up to the whitewashed walls of tutor houses distinguished from one another only by their choice of lawn gnomes or in the case of the house you are heading to the old Red White and Blue which must have been left there for more than a month. At least you hope it's left over from the Fourth of July. the alternative is even more silly but Jared Wilson, Rosie's stepfather is, according to her, the kind of person who watches football religiously, side-eyes his wife and stepdaughter's Catholicism as 'foreign' and would have probably hesitated voting for JFK... on more grounds than his religion.


Mrs Wilson jerks the door open as soon as you ring the bell, like she had been waiting in front of the door to get you out of sight of the neighbors as fast as she can even though the most unusual thing you are wearing is black phats and a few piercings. You would think you'd shown up in full studded leather neon dreads or something from her judgy looks but you had been tested and tried in the fires of far more intense disapproval so hers slides off you like water off a duck.

"Rose isn't feeling well," she announces by way of greeting.

"I know." You try to keep your tone neutral, but it's... not easy in the face of her expression. Rosie is already starting to have morning sickness though to hear her describe it it's more like random-time-of-the-day sickness. According to the internet ginger is good for that so you had brought some ginger flavored lollipops for her to talk about oneiromancy and the wisdom of a particular haunted skull.

"I think she needs to rest."

It's all you can do not to roll your eyes. How old does this woman think her daughter is seven? "I am sure she will be fine to talk to me."

"Miss Carpenter I am sure you have good intentions, but Rosanna has quite enough to think about without... company," a man's voice echoes from the kitchen.

Jared Wilson looks like nothing so much as an slightly-melted, few-years-past-his-shelf-life example of sporty masculinity, wide shoulders waist only just starting to expand in spite of the grey threaded through his neatly trimmed beard. Yet the face which sports that beard is somehow puffy and his eyes, which might normally be an unexceptional shade of brown, always seem to be ringed with red as if he never gets a good night's sleep.

Over the years since Rosie's mother had married him you did not have much to do with Jared, a fact which seemed to suit him as well as it had you, but now he sounded insistent, looming over you in a way that he might think is intimidating. You would like to say that the urge to match his little power play and then some was all Usum's... but that would be a lie.

What do you respond?

[] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)

[] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob

[] Write in


OOC: And on to the next action... and the next intimidation if that is how you guys want to play it.
 
I have often thought that intimidate is an odd skill. Sometimes it's bluff, but other times it's actually just a warning. Sometimes resisting a intimidate check is actually bad for you.*

The irony is that in most RPGs the characters best able to do effective intimidate checks are generally the ones least able to back them up and via versa.

We just happen to be one of those happy exceptions.

*Edit I wonder if there is a charm for that somewhere. Whenever someone successfully resists an intimidation check from you they take X damage.
 
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[X] Explain that you have some books Rosie asked you to get for her, that sounds suitability responsible right? And it's not even a lie, you did get some books from Harry to show to her in addition to your notes from talking to Bob

It's probably worth at least trying to be diplomatic.
 
[x] Stare him down, you are pretty sure you do not need to talk to get Jared out of the way (+1 to Intimidation DC to make it more subtle)

give him the LOOK
 
[X] Titania. Titania. Titania.

Look - she could probably give them some great parenting advice. We should ask about her daughter.
 
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