Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I doubt that. Honestly, after witnessing the invocation of Perfected Principle of Consumption, I suspect that Lash might be gibbering in terror at the thought of Molly in general and Molly interacting with Dresden in particular. Because Lash knows of our crown, and if anyone can understand what a Neverborn is, it's likely an angel, fallen or not. Now, this might be under the same infolock as the information on what Molly is, but Lash can probably reason out the implications even without knowing details.
Fairly sure that Lash counts as a lesser creature of darkness. Lasical might not be lesser, but Lash is. So yes the gibbering in terror is something of a given.
 
I doubt that. Honestly, after witnessing the invocation of Perfected Principle of Consumption, I suspect that Lash might be gibbering in terror at the thought of Molly in general and Molly interacting with Dresden in particular. Because Lash knows of our crown, and if anyone can understand what a Neverborn is, it's likely an angel, fallen or not. Now, this might be under the same infolock as the information on what Molly is, but Lash can probably reason out the implications even without knowing details.
Lash seems fairly detached.
She's relativly safe in Dresden's head and she knows we like Dresden and won't harm him, so she can ride out this whole thing as an observer with mental popcorn.

Worst case we accidentally break the world or something like that and even then we could propably help Harry survive the fallout.
 
This is very much untrue. TTC is "the best technologically possible, but 5-10 times faster". Even if it was, it's a matter of physics, not technology (I'll write it out later).



Isotopically pure metals will fail heft test. Or, rather, it would fail the weighting test. The density of the material is going to be different than normal. Normally this would be due to impurities. This would be tested for, and those tests would return "chemically pure" result. Which would prompt further questions
1)No, you are wrong.

Tool Constructs is a Wicked City charm. It takes its presumed thematical referents from a techbase well beyond anything available to even 2022 Earth, not modern tech. Furthermore, we literally have seen it used multiple times for fabrication; to make Ebon Scales and Dark Sun, and to fab diamonds.

The whole machine has never been manifest, just the effectors in use. You never see the backend.
As a reminder, this is what a 2022 carbon nanotube fabrication facility looks like:
We made ours on a bench and incorporated it into Ebon Scales. While wearing a Tshirt and old shorts.
Exalted charmtech makes physics curl up and cry.


2)You genuinely think anyone is going to check beyond ensuring purity?
You vastly overestimate the scientific curiosity and ethical values of businesses in the mining and precious metal/stone sectors, especially when it might get in the way of their making a buck.

Just look at the coltan trade out of the DRC.
There is more than one reason why Im suggesting Molly sell into the market; plausible deniability is very much a guiding principle for a lot of players in this space.
This one that would allow us to open portals into and out of the Nevernever, right?
Nah.
Travel is Conveyance. Crossing into the spirit world would be Gauntlet Manipulation.
So I would bet on one or the other.
[X] Alchemy, you already have a start on it of a sort thanks to the unwilling donations of Rhys and the Fomori

Magical materials for crafting is alchemy. Potion of "only need 1 hour of sleep per night" is alchemy (and only 2 dots at that). Stat bonus potions is alchemy.
We definitely want alchemy.
I will caution against the expectation that Molly will suddenly start chugging potions outside of actual combat/stress conditions.
Nothing in her characterization suggests this.
And she has loved ones around her who would discourage it.

We should be aiming for 2 dots of alchemy, for the near industrial scale potion making. We won't be limited to foregoing sleep ourselves, but could also get Lydia more AP. She should be able to earn XP on her own, if nothing else.
See above.
Does Harry know anything from the path of fortune? I vaguely recall a short story that had him getting confronted by some wannabes after clearing up some bad luck they'd just barely managed to wish on some old woman he knew (I think it's somewhere in Side Jobs). So he can at least minimally interact with it.

No that'd I'd expect him to be good at it didn't that sort of thing doesn't show up in the books, but if he's got a enough to get us started with Bob it'd be worth considering.
His very first case was Victor Sells using summer storms to empower death curses at people.
Blood Rites was him trying to stop a trio of witches killing people with entropy curses.

He's been the target of an entropy curse himself in Death Rites.
Is currently under a death curse right now, both by the same guy Quintus Cassius. And I'm sure that he used one on the loup garou in Fool Moon to blind it, deafen it and muffle its nose.

I think he's quite familiar with them and their mechanics, even if they arent a regular tool in his repertoire.

Remember that by default the products of alchemy last one day before going off. Industrial scale production is impossible because distribution is impossible.
I am not sure thats accurate.
Do you have a page quote, if you can remember where you saw it?

Also we already have more kill then we actually need at the moment. Our nucleal fire arm extender would likely even hurt Mab (assuming it hit her). There just isn't much that can soak that much aggravated damage without using a perfect.
Think not just combat, but utility.

If you need to dispose of a dead body, or lots of dead bodies, Entropy/Decay-aspected Hellfire will age it all to dust.
If you need to destroy a known piece of evidence in a police locker or on private premises you cant access deniably, a ritual will do much the same thing. Or to freeze over a road, or similar things.

Frankly, I guarantee that we only have to use Flight of the Brilliant Raptor or Obsidian Butterflies once before Harry strongly suggests we learn Hellfire as an alternative. :V
I doubt that. Honestly, after witnessing the invocation of Perfected Principle of Consumption, I suspect that Lash might be gibbering in terror at the thought of Molly in general and Molly interacting with Dresden in particular. Because Lash knows of our crown, and if anyone can understand what a Neverborn is, it's likely an angel, fallen or not. Now, this might be under the same infolock as the information on what Molly is, but Lash can probably reason out the implications even without knowing details.
For one thing, Lash only has some of the database that her creator Lasciel did.
For the second, she canonically looked into Outsider magic without flinching, with her only concern being for her host.
She's not likely to be flinching in the face of the invocation of the name of a Neverborn.

This is the Dresdenverse, not Creation.
I would not assume Neverborn have quite the same weight here as they did in Ex2, any more than the Hells and their rulers do.
I certainly would not be surprised if they have less magical and mythic weight than angels.
 
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  1. The Sight is very all or nothing so yes, it would be modeled as a merit rather than something with dots like a background or a path
  2. You guys would have to ask Lydia IC what her father than teach her, that said in principle Molly does think the link should allow teaching yes
1)Cool.
Lets hang out with Bob and find out if the Merit becomes available for purchase.
At worst, if Alchemy wins we learn how to make either the Three Eye potion or Rashid's ointment and then apply it as makeup.

2)Fair enough.
Even if Arawn was incapable or unwilling, I would not be at all surprised if the child of a death goddess could lay her hands on a couple ghosts/disembodied souls of dead sorcerers either who would be willing and capable of teaching.

Chronomancy would be in theme for the child of a death god, and would continue with her jacking Kattrin's shit.
Possibly Shapeshifting as well.
We'll see.
 
Lash seems fairly detached.
She's relativly safe in Dresden's head and she knows we like Dresden and won't harm him, so she can ride out this whole thing as an observer with mental popcorn.

Worst case we accidentally break the world or something like that and even then we could propably help Harry survive the fallout.
There are many charms that we should be able to target Lash with. Many of them being fairly terrible curses.
 
2)You genuinely think anyone is going to check beyond ensuring purity?
You vastly overestimate the scientific curiosity and ethical values of businesses in the mining and precious metal/stone sectors, especially when it might get in the way of their making a buck.

Just look at the coltan trade out of the DRC.
There is more than one reason why Im suggesting Molly sell into the market; plausible deniability is very much a guiding principle for a lot of players in this space.
You are not listening. Weight test (measuring the density of a precious metal object by measuring its mass and volume) is a very simple test that is used to find if the object being sold has hollow cavities in it, or admixtures of different materials (such as, for example, make a lead bar and coating it with a thin layer of gold). It's not about scientific curiosity, it's about checking if you are being swindled.

And objects made of isotopically pure materials will fail it.


I
will caution against the expectation that Molly will suddenly start chugging potions outside of actual combat/stress conditions.
Nothing in her characterization suggests this.
And she has loved ones around her who would discourage it.
While we are unlikely to use magic prophecy granting LSD, magical coffee / energy drink is something easily swingable. Michael drinks coffee, after all.


For the second, she canonically looked into Outsider magic without flinching, with her only concern being for her host.
She's not likely to be flinching in the face of the invocation of the name of a Neverborn.

This is the Dresdenverse, not Creation.
I would not assume Neverborn have quite the same weight here as they did in Ex2, any more than the Hells and their rulers do.
I certainly would not be surprised if they have less magical and mythic weight than angels.
We will have to agree to disagree here.
 
Most likely spent last NaN number of ages doing everything to finally die for real. Frankly, in an age where Yozi got reduced into vague memories and half-forgotten whispers, Active neverborn persisting is very unlikely.

There might be a tortured neverdead titan sleeping in a soulsteel tomb somewhere in the farthest edges of the Nevernever or Beyond, though. Not all Neverborn were actually active during Age of Sorrow, and those that weren't awakened, are paradoxically more likely to persist through the ages.
Yeah, shadow of a fallen angel can look at the scary stuff while remaining in control of herself. She isn't actually looking at the actual Neverborn or anything, in the end.
Aside from general utility, it has a pretty potent anti-element protection.
Yeah, but he can clearly teach some linear sorcery stuff or he wouldn't be a tutor option. Bob is a lot of it, but presumably he isn't doing everything.

If he can assist in the instruction of linear alchemy via the mage sphere equivalent I don't see why that wouldn't translate to fortune as well.
Yeah, sure. DF is also very metaphysically different. There is definitively more crossover between various types of magic in DF than in oWoD.

Sight honestly seems to be better than a whole lot of Infernal supernatural perception charms... I wonder if there are synergies.
 
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Ok, looks like alchemy has it, vote closed
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 8, 2022 at 5:54 AM, finished with 70 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Alchemy, you already have a start on it of a sort thanks to the unwilling donations of Rhys and the Fomori
    [X] Enchantment, as skilled as you may be in mundane crafting you will eventually strike the limits of what matter alone can provide so why not learn the weaving of spirit into substance?
    [X] Healing, one of the most demanding and complex fields of magic as well as one in which Bob has limited experience, but if you can master this it might be a boon beyond price in battle alongside allies less tough than yourself
    [X] Shadowcasting, you already have an affinity for shadows, drawn as it might be from a fell place, being able to invoke the dark more readily would be of use in battle and out of it
    [X] Summoning, warding and binding, selling this one to Harry will probably be the hardest...but if you can though. You remember all too well the fear and awe saw reflected in the gaze of the Pathfinder 'nurse' and of vampires subtle and overt, a useful thing in negotiating even with dark spirits more powerful than your electronic friends (Requires additional Persuasion rolls)
 
I am not sure thats accurate.
Do you have a page quote, if you can remember where you saw it?

M20 Sorcerer page 18:

Effects: Alchemy doesn't have Aspects; instead, each dot increases the practitioner's power and control. Except for the most potent recipes, they only require a single success to make. Additional successes are split between providing additional doses and keeping those doses potent for one day per success spent.​
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 8, 2022 at 5:54 AM, finished with 70 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Alchemy, you already have a start on it of a sort thanks to the unwilling donations of Rhys and the Fomori
    [X] Enchantment, as skilled as you may be in mundane crafting you will eventually strike the limits of what matter alone can provide so why not learn the weaving of spirit into substance?
    [X] Healing, one of the most demanding and complex fields of magic as well as one in which Bob has limited experience, but if you can master this it might be a boon beyond price in battle alongside allies less tough than yourself
    [X] Shadowcasting, you already have an affinity for shadows, drawn as it might be from a fell place, being able to invoke the dark more readily would be of use in battle and out of it
    [X] Summoning, warding and binding, selling this one to Harry will probably be the hardest...but if you can though. You remember all too well the fear and awe saw reflected in the gaze of the Pathfinder 'nurse' and of vampires subtle and overt, a useful thing in negotiating even with dark spirits more powerful than your electronic friends (Requires additional Persuasion rolls)
 
Arc 4 Post 10: Matters Martial and Magical
Matters Martial and Magical

8th of August 2006 A.D.

As long as you can remember, and if your mother is to be believed, even before that you have always hated schedules, with a passion usually reserved for kale salad and Nickelback and yet once Clippy wakes you, still in the grey hours before dawn you eat a quick breakfast and catch a quick bleach bath to keep your essence up before heading out to the gym to train under the messured but grueling ministrations of Brother Devisimar, as the two of you discover together, sometimes to pretty painful results the new limitations of your body that you may overcome them. For one you are pretty sure a fractured elbow is one of those things you never come back all the way from if you are mortal.You are not, but it still hurts a lot even for you. It had been your idea to try to juggle the weights so it's not like you can blame him for it.

"See my.... chakras are... all aligned now," you say back bent double, weights on your hands and feet as you try to arc back like a bow a few fractions of a second faster than your previous time.

"Aligned yes, but with what?" the old monk asks, though he sounds more amused then concerned.

And for my next trick... Instead of just springing back to your feet as before you arc your back forward slam the weights on your hands onto the linolaum covered floor then kick upwards such that you end up in a handstand with about a hundred pounds hanging on your ankles.

"Vanity blossoms but bears no fruit," Brother Devisimar notes calmly.

"I'm not showing off..." You stop and for the sake of honesty add. "If the idea is to break my body a little at a time so it's harder to break then it should be the case when I do stuff like this same as when I'm just sitting there and taking hits right? I mean I am better at doing the stuff I do when it draws the eye and the mind." At least that is what dad had figured when you dueled last month and you trust his intuition.

"Truly?" He looks you up and down thoughtfully. "It is said the veil of the jorogumo grows harder to pierce the more eyes are upon her and marvel at her beauty."

The image of a spider-spirit fair as she is deadly passes over the surface of your mind like a ripple in water, leaving in its wake the echoes of a thousand tales strange and wondrous and tragic.

"Should I be flattered for being compared to a beautiful lady or insulted to be compared to a man eating spider-demon?" you ask, wiping away the sweat from your brow.

"And who is to say the shape of a mortal woman is fairer than a spider? Certainly not the spiders?" He quips back, though his eyes are serious still.

"Us, that is humans say so because we can say things and the spiders cannot. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder yes, but most of those beholders are mortals."

He nods quietly and looks down at the sketch book filled with drawings of potential exercises ringed by neat tight script moving on to the next and the next, but there is something different about the set of his shoulders, about the tilt of his head, a little less on edge, a faint tension now seen only by its absence.

Steel Skin Progress: 9+7 = 16/15; -1 XP Cost to Buy -> Now at 3 XP

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Once you are done with training in the Qiao of the Mo Kung you grab a bite to eat, usually at a food cart, quieting any guilt you might feel with the knowledge that you cannot actually put on weight anymore, it just feels like the hot dogs are going straight to your hips and setting up shop. After that you head to Harry's, after the first day of gawking neighbors in the Beige Wagon and you get to magicking. Harry insists that is not the proper verb for it, but when you challenge him on what the proper verb for doing magic is he cannot find one so 'magicking' it is

Certainly Bob has no objection to it, though something tells you Bob has few objections when it comes to spending time with you in general, even if it is over a veil of grey-green alchemical fumes only blown away by the odd explosion which sends glass beakers flying and flames rising fit to scorch the ceiling of the laboratory. The tinny lights in the skull's eyes dance like fireflies convinced that this time surely he has come up with a way to tame your essence into something that can be invested into a potion without reducing it to plasma or other things.

Harry is now the owner of a fist sized lump of black glass that randomly changes density between that of enriched uranium and light enough to float in air, so he has to keep it tied down to his desk. Given that you had been trying to make a hangover cure at the time it is safe to say you still have a lot of work still ahead of you.

Alchemy Progress: 15/25

The other part of the project, what you call The Big Book of Yomi Wan, which is a combination of virtual travel log and political primmer for the Thousand Hells, designed to help the Council understand not just the kinds of dark spirit and akuma that might arise from those realms , but also crucially their passions and motivations. In spite of the glossy pictures you throw in of some of the more visually striking beings and vistas, this is not some kind of 'bestiary of demons' of the kind Harry tells you he had seen in his mentor's library. One does not learn now to deal with a hostile foreign power or in this case a thousand of them, by the means of a book which classifies their various soldiers and functionaries as though they were different species.

You and Bob even have a good laugh when you discover that one of his former masters though believed in the existence of 'ice-whip Shikome' 'wind claw Shikome' with the first supplanting the second in the favor of Emma-O over the long centuries when in truth the difference was one of cultural trends and fashion.

"It's like if they said the Bell-bottom Pants People conquered the 70s... no survivors...." you giggle.

Big Book of Yomi Wan Progress: 9/20

"Everything alright down there?" Harry calls through the closed door. While he insists on being present for all the practical lessons in alchemy he had quickly discovered that listening to you and Bob arguing over the minutia of demonic nomenclature is not his idea of a fun time.

"Fine, fine, we were discussing demon fashion. Wanna see?" you call back.

"I would," Bob pipes up... for, to be honest, the same reason you had suggest it to Harry. While 'Shikome' could be translated as 'hag' in English and not without reason in their true form the akuma in question prefer to drape themselves in seductive glamors the better to lure victims into the schemes of their master.

"I'm shocked," you deadpan before turning back to the draft with a roll of your eyes. Speaking of predatory supernatural beings I should really be going down into the tunnels tomorrow. "What do you know about handling White Court vampires who have lost their way, lost themselves to the Hunger?"

"Not much, none of my keepers before Harry had much to do with them. Maybe you should talk to Thomas about it he knows a lot about it, more than he's like probably. It's still really confusing what makes you people happy, pain and pleasure are easy to get, but then you mix them all up and tangle them together. 'Hurts good' and 'sinful pleasure'..."

"That's OK Bob I don't need to know all your favorite literally expressions," you say forcing down a blush by sheer act of will.

What do you do?

[] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[] Write in stunt

[] Just go down into the tunnels and start work, you'll deal with the vampires when they come for you

[] Write in


OOC: Just like with the Qiao learning Path magic discounts the XP cost of taking it up to a maximum of half its value but for obvious reasons a full path dot costs more successes to discount than just a single charm, though as you will note Bob is also a better trainer than even a skiled mortal.
 
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Harry is now the owner of a fist sized lump of black glass that randomly changes density between that of enriched uranium and light enough to float in air, so he has to keep it tied down to his desk. Given that you had been trying to make a hangover cure at the time it is safe to say you still have a lot of work still ahead of you.
I'm sure he'll find a use for it. Thats like the wizard stock in trade.
 
[X] Just go down into the tunnels and start work, you'll deal with the vampires when they come for you
-[X] Fools rush where Angels fear to tread you think to yourself.

Probably hyperbolic for merely Undertown :p
 
I'll add a stunt to my vote once someone writes one.

Not only is this a good chance to learn more about the Hunger, it's also the perfect opportunity to make a minionhood pitch at Thomas.

[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Write in stunt
 
[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Write in stunt


This is a problem that is going to come at us regardless of if we are ready for it or not. Our knowledge and prepwork is going to determine how well it is handled or not. We have a commitment to fix up the platform, but that, at least, is a problem with a more known deadline.
 
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