I was thinking that these were supposed to be her blessed animals from this charm, not a familiar.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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You need at least five different people, bestowed with five different parts of the knowledge to make an exalted. One person can't do it.
Demiurge is also in Manual of Exalted Power Alchemicals, on page 111, under New Mutations, right before Gremlin Syndrome. I provided the quote above in the spoiler about the Demiurge mutation (the formatting got borked, so it's not a surprise it was missed):
But I think I very badly mangled my point. It was supposed to go like this: If Lydia is an exalt not just in mechanics, but in lore, an exigent, and not "just" a normal demigod like Heracles or Cu Chulainn, then there has to be a reason for why she's different from normal demigods. The only significantly different part we know about her ancestry is that Arawn was hooked to collective understand of Death by Kemmler to draw power from it. It's possible that her mother is also somehow special, but that adds assumptions onto assumptions.
Really, when we get rich, we should hire a governess to help Charity take care of the kids. And convince her to accept help.
Fixing the bloodline is something that the solar's could do, it was in the dreams of the first age, it is more just editing genetics back to the proper order. Even the Scarlet empress made strides in the goal. As her youngest daughter had legendary breeding IE pure enough that all her kids exalted, and that is just form the Scarlet empress doing stuff.
Ligier is not exalted he is a lower order being, and constrained by the surrender oaths, as well. The setting is pretty clear in the rules, you can only make something on par with yourself, and need the aid of other to make something that can be greater. It is why Sol, and Luna are so powerful they where made by more then one Primordial.
And the exalted made sure the Yozi could not actually escape by any means they our their third or second circles. But even their efforts where not total an E10 first circle could potential break the Yozi out, because they are their own beings separate from the Yozi.
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Our Shintai already has Swift Stride. Which means we can fly 88 yards per round in Shintai form, crossing a thousand yards in 12 rounds, or 36 seconds. That's not even enough time to take the elevator to the ground floor, much less clear the area of suddenly rampaging Infernal. Crossing the distance in a single round was never something I seriously considered, just before the transformation wore off or the unlucky sniper had time to escape decapitation by angry Infernal Shintai. And then we have to deal with the fallout of the massive masquerade breach caused by us transforming in broad daylight, but the would-be assassin is also very dead, and the supernatural community too spooked to try it again, so I'd call that still a win in that hypothetical scenario.
And of course the charm you mentioned cuts the time to 4 rounds without spending essence, at which point the sniper has a somehow even worse time, and even less chance to avoid their incoming doom.
The problem is that exigents, as fun as they can be, are silly bullshit that breaks fundamental lore assumptions from everything prior to their existence to allow players to design their own exaltation. For when the existing ones just aren't special enough for you.
All the DRM stuff stops making sense when any god willing to make the sacrifice can empower a new type of exalt.
I only read E3 once, but didn't they also need a blank exaltation shard with a spark of perfection from Sol Invictus? Or something like this. Yeah, they do:
Also corruptible:
So, for an exigent to happen one needs to have a spark of Sol's divine power, which I assume is a limited resource, and to sacrifice godly power. The resulting exaltation is also far less enduring that a dragonblooded or a celestial one.
Bah, it's all pointless speculation anyway! We have no way to know this IC. We might investigate what exactly Kemmler traded to Arawn, i guess. Also... Exaltation can't see itself, so we don't get to ask questions about it. However, at least some of our charms and later spells have visual effects. @DragonParadox do we get to ask a question while observing our own or Lydia's charms at work? Like, if we see Lydia using an excellency to talk Harry into taking her money, can we use the situation in question as an object to ask "what is the proper terminology for the ability Lydia is using, similar to the ability we can use?" (specific question needs to be worked on) to learn about how it's called an Excellency and to go from there. Or if we use an Ancient Sorcery spell, can we observe it taking effect and ask the question like "who was the creator of this spell?" or "how was this spell invented?", etc.
Convincing Charity sounds easier said than done
If we have the clone charm we can spawn an instance to help. But I doubt she'd accept a paid employee.
Not to mention there's the security issues with bringing in a stranger to the home of someone whose calling includes extrajudicial killings of occult bad guys. Its a danger to the would-be governess and to the family in question.
1)For one thing, there were no issues with Terrestrial Exalts in the Age of Legends that I recall. There were millions of them.
Their numbers only cratered after the Great Contagion and the Balorian Crusade IIRC.
2)Terrestrial Exalted Breeding is not a genetics thing. Its magic.
The Age of Legends lasted thousands of years; the idea that there was a problem they didnt fix in all that time and it was the Usurpation that interrupted them is...implausible.
3)Ligier is the Fetich Soul of Malfeas, and one of the two or three best craftspersons in the setting.
Multiple Solars have died trying to steal stuff he made. More spent time currying his favor during the Age of Legends.
The fact that you are calling him a lesser order being is frankly hilarious.
4)The Primordial War lasted more than a human lifetime, by all accounts.
Once again, if this stuff was as replicable as you seem to think, the Primordials would have promptly made their own and put them back out there. The fact they didnt says you are vastly underestimating the effort involved.
5)Creations of the Yozi are not the Yozi.
There is no reason to believe that a Yozi-made Exaltation would be subject to the Oaths; they reject all such prior constraints.
Impossible to achieve yet weirdly hilarious idea:
More realistically - bring someone from our soul's kingdom.
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If we really want to find out more about our Exaltation IC, Lash implied when we talked to her that Lasciel knows exactly what we are, but the knowledge didn't make it to the spirit in Harry's head. We know where the coin is buried in Harry's lab, that's all the focus we need to ask the Crown what Lasciel knows about our power. It's not that hard, and we can do it easily enough while we're taking magic lessons from Harry.
Seriously, this isn't the first time I suggested this idea in the thread, and people keep coming up with more ridiculous and indirect ways to get the same information.
Seriously, this isn't the first time I suggested this idea in the thread, and people keep coming up with more ridiculous and indirect ways to get the same information.
That's the same problem one step removed. There's a fixed number of exalted because autochthon was the one who made them. Sol couldn't produce more if he wanted to. Which was important because if he could then the primordials could have ordered him to divulge that information and/or produce a bunch of shard for them to imprint on, turning the primordial war into a grinding exalted v. exalted shitshow.
Hypothetically he could have learned it later, but autobot went out of his way to keep that genie in the bottle and left pretty quickly after the war anyway.
Even if he did share some knowledge, the unconquered sun isn't a primordial. Autochthon made the exaltations where the others couldn't because of his unique properties as the principles of industry and innovation.
The unconquered sun has his whole perfection theme going, but replicating the miracle of greater gods than he was is a stretch. Especially if he can do it regularly enough for a black market to form to lose track of them in.
White wolf can do what they want, but that doesn't stop it from being silly.
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Um wow. Just to put this in perspective: The speed of sound is 343 m/s. Convert to yards and you have 375 yards/s. So 1125 yards in 3 seconds.
880/1125=78% of the speed of sound. Get another 4 points of dexterity, or get another 2x multiplier and we can break the speed of sound. Which is really crazy fast.
We know our powers can have second order effects, like giant flaming wings hurting stealth even if the charm doesn't say so. So would that apply to speed? Perhaps beneficially if we use it right? What could we do with that much speed?
There's a charm that literally makes us so fast as to be invisible, and using it is silent IIRC. Just need to get it.
The fluff on that one is kind of crazy for anyone who has to deal with it in any context other than a stealth charm.
It's not even a coy implication or anything, you move so quickly you outpace light without actually covering ground any faster than whatever your movement speed is.
Physics wouldn't so much be crying in the corner as going completely cross eyed trying to figure out what we'd be doing.
1&2 Yeah their where plenty of Terrestrials but the bloodline had been slowing weakling to to not remaining pure. The Dragons explicitly stated to keep the bloodline pure, or the power would wane. At first kids just exalted later, and later. Then eventually someone reached adulthood without exalting. Their was a big deliberation by the Solar's about if they should fix the issue, and the vote narrowly went against doing anything. And the Terristiral bloodline is indeed genetic trait, a magical genetic trait for sure. That is why everybody in creation has a chance of exalting they all have dragonblood somewhere in their line.
3. Exalted>primordial's>3rd circle. Ligier is E10 and very good, but by no means is he the best craftier. Malfeas is also a crafter, and way better then Ligier. Ligier is just one of the best lower essence exalted have access to. Being able to just summon him every year certainly makes him a first choice. I high essence craft exalted can do as good a Ligier but not every exalted is a crafter, So ligier always had people that needed him.
4. The primordials certainly understood the idea of what the exalted where. If the had gotten to examine them they might have figured out how to make their own, by the later parts of the war they had figured out how to kill exalted in such a way to at least make the shard take longer to chose a new host, they never captured a shard after its host died. But Exalted where made by the best crafter of the primordial's with help from Gaia, Sol, Luna, and the maidens. Made harder as Autochthon theme is go beyond the impossible or die. Something the other primordials don't have, so it is unlikely they could even if they had the plans.
5. The Yozi are unable to break their prison, or even make anything that could break the prison. Even when the Yozi did get to examine the shards the most the could do was make them into Infernals and set them loose. Even with examples to work from, they did not start turning out exalted shards, or make ones that work with their various demons, so the question of can the Yozi make exalted is a definitive no.
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[X] Yes, you are sure she will be helpful and you like her company
Looks like she's coming along, and we're possibly looking in to our enemies.
Personally prefer the idea of it as an instant movement charm, ala Flows Like Blood (or am I thinking the wrong one?) or the various ones in anime... though as a stealth charm that works while you're running is also pretty cool. Best yet, with two modes. Stealth and instant movement.The fluff on that one is kind of crazy for anyone who has to deal with it in any context other than a stealth charm.
It's not even a coy implication or anything, you move so quickly you outpace light without actually covering ground any faster than whatever your movement speed is.
Physics wouldn't so much be crying in the corner as going completely cross eyed trying to figure out what we'd be doing.
I could see a Perfect Attack being based off of it, where you use a charm to move past the enemy for an undodgeable strafing attack.
Not your own charms, that is basically the same as your exaltation, but you can ask about how Lydia's power works.
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I think some of you are carrying the theories about Lydia and Kemmler too far.
I still think that an Exigent was merely the most practical way to portray a Demigod with a set of themed powers.
If there's some deep lore reason behind I might feel foolish later about this post, but for now I'm simply assuming that Heracles and Cuchullain could also do impossible things in theme with their divine heritage and that they might have started glowing from using too much of that at once.
I still think that an Exigent was merely the most practical way to portray a Demigod with a set of themed powers.
If there's some deep lore reason behind I might feel foolish later about this post, but for now I'm simply assuming that Heracles and Cuchullain could also do impossible things in theme with their divine heritage and that they might have started glowing from using too much of that at once.
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Road trip road trip Road Trip Road Trip ROAD TRIP ROAD TRIP ROAD TRIP ROADTRIPROADTRIPROADTRIP!!! WHOOO!!!!
Time for the road trip. (And also an adventure that isn't that stupid too-long First Ankou and the Kemmlerites arc. Good to be out of that and onto the next adventure.)
Time for the road trip. (And also an adventure that isn't that stupid too-long First Ankou and the Kemmlerites arc. Good to be out of that and onto the next adventure.)
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Arc 3 Post 4: Signs for the Seeking
Signs for the Seeking
24st of July 2006 A.D.
"Dad do you mind if Lydia comes along with us tomorrow? To... Ohio?" You hesitate as much because you still don't know precisely where you are going as because you invited someone else along on the father-daughter evil fighting mission. It's for a good cause OK, you tell your conscience. Unlike the demon in your head it does not talk back, but it does twinge from time to time.
There's a pause as dad turns off the sound on the basketball game he had been watching.
"It's going to be dangerous," he points out reasonably.
"She knows, I get the feeling she just wants to do something good, have an impact on the world you know, what with her life being turned upside down. Being around people who aren't gonna freak when she starts to glow is probably important to her as well."
He shakes his head, not so much in denial as puzzlement you would say.
"God moves in mysterious ways?" you try, your voice rising into a question almost without meaning to.
"That he does Molly... that he does," he chuckles. "Remind Lydia to check in with her father's lawyer and keep in contact. She should bring a camping bag as well in case we have to get off the road. I don't plan to but you never know with these sorts of trips."
You quickly settle what Lydia is supposed to bring along. The difference between camping for fun and camping 'on the job' seems to be mostly a lot more medical supplies, though the negotiations over what snacks to bring remains all too familiar:
"Daad, I can literally live off chips, crackers and Mars Bars and be healthy as a horse, it's part of the whole superpower package. As long as I get remotely enough calories I'm fine."
"Think you can make that point to your mother?"
Touche
In the end the ratio of junk food to actual food does not resemble the 'how not to eat' part of a school PSA, but you get most of your favorites in and you are pretty sure that Lydia's weird assortment of European candies will be fine. More importantly you find out where in Ohio you are all going.
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"Cleveland...?" Not the most exciting place for an adventure, but maybe there is some secret part of Cleveland that has vampire dance clubs and underground fey grunge rock concerts or something. Then dad sets down a pamphlet that had just arrived, seemingly by accident, though really by Providence according to him.
Soul's Rest Wellness Clinic, is emblazoned in golden lettering on the front. It does not take more than a look down the glossy pictures of smiling seniors to realize that this is a retirement home on the banks of Lake Eerie. Golden years, golden memories seems to be their motto. "Any idea what's wrong with this place. Feelings? Signs?" You could just ask of course... but you only get one question and if you ask the wrong one from lack of context there goes that lead.
"Not any kind of sign from on high but one thing stands out, the price they are advertising on line is too low for the services they are offering," dad explains. "I did a bit of digging myself and they are blowing the competition out of the water. The simplest mundane explanation for things like this in my experience is money laundering, but there is little chance I would feel a pull for something like that."
"Leave that with me dad..." Leave it with me and my digital friends. You are not the only one who has grown since the fight with Katrina. Like explorers cutting their way through a dark forest of knowledge and secrets Clippy and her kin had learned how to navigate the internet and growing bold they had learned to walk beyond the lighted paths. Passwords, keys, locks and ports all these they navigate like fish in the sea.
There's something else you would like to know about of course. So far the investigation into the Museum has been all over the news of course, how could it not be with twenty eight people gruesomely killed and no suspect in sight, but law enforcement has been very tight-lipped about the whole thing. One of the few things you know for certain is that there is federal involvement... Daedalus
So you now set them to search for more information on Soul's Rest and on project Deadalus.
How deep do you want your assistants try to to dig into this?
[] [Daedalus] Light, hack a few agents email accounts, get a feel for their basic procedures as well as more on how they see the supernatural. Also includes data on the Museum incident
[] [Daedalus] Medium, hack the internal network, full personnel files, see how they get their funding and from whom, who are their allies and their rivals
[] [Daedalus] Heavy, you mine as much personal data as you can fit on the agents, seek out their most secure files, if it has an internet connection and is associated with them you want to have access to it
[] [Daedalus] Write in
[] [Soul's Rest] Light, track the staff and the residents. Are the latter communicating with their families? If so what are they saying
[] [Soul's Rest] Heavy, Try to get into the company financial data
[] [Soul's Rest] Write in
OOC: Normally Michael would just get signs to lead him to the place of interest when he is sent in a mission like this, but someone knows a party to this search has computer magic so you get a bit of a heads' up to start the digital search.
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The Spark of Madness
Welp. That is a thing.....