Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Only affects devices with electrical systems, with electronics being most vulnerable.

No sign it affects materials or chemical processes.

Dresden farked over automatic firearms in the ending of Grave Peril IIRC. Also Supposedly Revolvers are more resistant to the bane then semiautomatics.

Edit: Or Revolvers are immune to the bane. They're probably immune.

Gunpowder not working is a quirk of certain regions of the nevernever.
 
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All of this is assuming, of course, that Dresden hasn't already been silenced, one way or another. Perhaps he 'escaped', likely killing a number of cops and civilians in the process (in order to utterly destroy any good reputation he has), or was 'regrettably shot' during an 'escape attempt,' in which case we are one of the only other people who has anything close to the whole picture…
Oh shit. They could very well end up trying to capture our family to hold hostage against us/to draw us in to silence us as well.
Either way, I doubt that they'll let it blow up, probably keeping it hushed up by either threatening/bribing/blackmailing people into silence, or by silencing them permanently.
For the record, I wouldn't put any of this past them.

On another note, though, just how bad can techbane get? Can it affect plastic, gasoline, or electricity? What about paper or glass, or gunpowder or steel?
In other words, just how badly can one get screwed over by techbane? Does it get to the point where one cannot even enter modern society, much less be a part of it?
They probably haven't killed him yet. If for no other reason than killing a wizard like that by anything other than complete surprise means that you get a death curse, which isn't necessarily a traditional curse.

It's just what you call the wizard choosing to put everything they have into a spell, including their life force. Dresden is an excellent evoker in the top 10% of human magical power, even if he doesn't have the ability that older practitioners do. I'd give good odds of us being able to hear his hypothetical death curse going off from the Carpenters' place. Even if we couldn't, the news wouldn't definitely be reporting stuff on it by now.

Perfect surprise is possible, but these guys have some idea about what he is. I'd expect them to be intensely reluctant to make an attempt while they're in the same building as him.

The severity of techbane varies by wizard. It effects anything sufficiently complex, but not stable material and the like. Dresden is a pretty bad case, so he can't use a gun more complicated than a revolver for long without breaking it, but other wizards can use older semiautomatics.

The more useful property is that one of the easiest spells for any wizard to cast is deliberately boosting and directing their tech bane effect to use as a weapon.

Trying to use high tech hijinks against a wizard works right up until they realize what you're doing and turn your gizmos inside out.
 
The severity of techbane varies by wizard. It effects anything sufficiently complex, but not stable material and the like. Dresden is a pretty bad case, so he can't use a gun more complicated than a revolver for long without breaking it, but other wizards can use older semiautomatics.
I suspect that Dresden just likes revolvers, and doesnt get into many fights where he has to reload.

Semiautos like the M1911 Colt 45 date back to pre-WW1 times, and with similar reliability. Ramirez (EDIT: and Luccio) carry semiautos into major magic engagements with tens or hundreds of magic users without issue, where you'd expect the density of magic would make less durable stuff faol pretty quickly, and Im fairly sure I remember other Wardens carrying both assault rifles and grenades.

I suspect its not a coincidence that his primary gun for a long time was basically the same weapon carried by Clint Eastwood in the Dirty Harry movies.

From Reddit

SPOILERS ALL] Important Firearms of the Dresdenverse


I just finished a re-read of the entire series, all the way to Book 15. While reading, I've been taking notes about the firearms used throughout the series, and I've learned some fun things. Unfortunately, I've missed several short stories, so I'm sure these lists are incomplete. Let me know if I missed anything!
(1) Harry is old-school cool. He loves his manually-cycled firearms.
  • Books 1 - 2: Harry uses a Smith & Wesson Model 36 (Chief's Special) in .38 Special.
  • Books 3 - 4: Harry upgrades to an unspecified ".357 medium barrel." This is most likely a Smith & Wesson Model 13 or S&W Model 19 in .357 Magnum. It's probably not the stainless steel versions or Models 586/686, since they're classified as medium/large (L frame and N frame) instead of medium (K frame).
  • Books 4 - 12: Harry wields a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in .44 Magnum. Harry bought it in Book 3 as an office gun, and moves it to his home after he loses his .357. He loses his "Dirty Harry Special" in Death Masks but buys an identical model to replace it.
  • Book 10: Harry uses a double-barrelled shotgun, cut down short.
  • Book 11: Harry uses a pump-action shotgun, cut down short.
  • Book 14: Harry is given Thomas's Winchester 1866 Sporting Rifle, chambered in .45 Long Colt. Get rocked!
  • Book 15: Murphy presents Harry with a Smith & Wesson Model S&W500 in .500 S&W Magnum.
(2) Muphy loves automatics, especially autos with a decent capacity.
  • SIG Sauer, probably a 9mm SIG P226, since Murphy mentions it holds 20 rounds.
  • Unknown brand 1911 in .45 ACP
  • Target pistol in .22LR: given Murphy's affinity for "space guns," I imagine this is a Beretta U22 Neos. Unfortunately, I doubt the U22 Neos was around in 2001 (Fool Moon's publication year), so it's more likely she was shooting the Loup-Garou with a Ruger MK II.
  • Sawed-off shotgun
  • FN P90 in 5.7x28mm. His name is George.
  • AT-4 Rocket Launcher, Inert Tube. A great hiding place.
  • Kriss Vector in .45 ACP. Sadly, I don't think I remember this ever being used. :(
(3) Harry is a freaking BULLET SPONGE.
  • (Book 1) Mr. Beckitt shot Harry in the hip with an unspecified automatic.
  • (Book 2) Agent Benn shot Harry in the right shoulder with her service pistol: either a Glock 22 or Glock 23 in .40 S&W.
  • (Book 5) Nicodemus shot Harry in the left arm with Harry's own Smith & Wesson Model 29.
  • (Book 6) King Raith's Bodyguard Ken shot Harry with a shotgun [in the back, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 9) Madrigal Raith shot Harry with a "heavy assault rifle" [in the back, stopped by duster]. (Harry remarks in 11.1 that his coat had been able to stop Kalashnikov rounds. Maybe it was a Kalashnikov?)
  • (Book 10) A Gruff shot Harry with an unspecified submachine gun [in the back, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 10) Nicodemus's cultists shot Harry as he ran from their party at Demonreach [in the back, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 11.1) (The Warrior) Father Douglas shot Harry with a Barrett M82 in .50 BMG [in the back, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 12) The Eebs shot Harry during a drive-by with a suppressed .223 (probably an AR-15) [left side of chest, ribs, left arm; stopped by duster].
  • (Book 12) Harry was hit by numerous rounds from the mercenaries in Chichén Itzá [all stopped by Lea's armor].
  • (Book 12) Kinkaid shot Harry in the heart with something between a .223 and .338 magnum round. Probably the latter.
  • (Book 13) Corpsetaker!Butters shot Ghost Harry in the back of the head with Murphy's SIG P226.
  • (Book 15) Fomor servitor shot Harry in the right calf with a 7.62x51mm round from an FN M240.
  • (Book 15) Tessa's ghoul goon shot Harry 8 times with an unspecified silenced pistol [in the back, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 15) Nicodemus's squire shot Harry with an "assault carbine" [left lung, stopped by duster].
  • (Book 15) Another squire shot Harry with another assault carbine [right side of torso, stopped by duster].
Harry's actual physical gunshot wounds totaled: Hip, right shoulder, left arm, heart, and right calf.


Source:
Which gives a list of weapons up to Book 15, and a whole new appreciation for just how bullshit his trenchcoat is.
 
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Which gives a list of weapons up to Book 15, and a whole new appreciation for just how bullshit his trenchcoat is.
Seriously. That's some prime enchanted armor.

I wonder what it would take to convince him to put the same enchantments on our armor? Even if the enchantment is less effective, it should have a better foundation than his duster to work with, so it might end up being at least as good.
 
The severity of techbane varies by wizard. It effects anything sufficiently complex, but not stable material and the like. Dresden is a pretty bad case, so he can't use a gun more complicated than a revolver for long without breaking it, but other wizards can use older semiautomatics.
So there aren't any 'Steel objects rust away in their hands' wizards who have to make do with bronze silverware, tools, and weapons and either walk or ride a horse or use Ways to get anywhere?
 
So there aren't any 'Steel objects rust away in their hands' wizards who have to make do with bronze silverware, tools, and weapons and either walk or ride a horse or use Ways to get anywhere?
We never heard of that as a techbane manifestation.
No magic users that curdle milk or are disfigured by warts either.
Nobody affected by the alleged earlier forms of techbane.
 
We never heard of that as a techbane manifestation.
No magic users that curdle milk or are disfigured by warts either.
Nobody affected by the alleged earlier forms of techbane.
Speaking of, I wonder how much social engineering (read - how many demons helper kami) would it take to shift modern definition of techbane from "murphy law field that causes advanced technology to sponteneously break down" to "your tech develops quirks and personality, spontaneously becoming sapient / possessed by / manifesting minor spirits". I mean, with hollow mind possession, we could, in principle, start distributing demons to all (young) practitioners we hear / learn about. Get on the ground floor of the paranet as it was, only make it better, more encompassing, and giving its users advantage of not having to worry about the techbane.

Also, as an idea for passive profit generation (and also for social engineering), we could use hollow mind possession as a way to do midjourney / Dall E over a decade early. That would be a popular revenue generating stream. And we could command the demon to incorporate subtle signs into the drawings praising us, or warding against demons / winter fae, or stuff like that. Besides text-to-art, we could also do text generation, either also like a service (think AI dungeon, but better), or to create and publish books under pseudonym for profit. I am fairly sure demons would do well writing horror at least. Also non-fiction writing. We already see that Clippy can analyze and summarize a lot of data quickly. This is a very sellable service. Market analysis, scientific paper reviews, cross-checking and meta-analysis, legal document reviews, all that stuff. Finally, we could sell demons as personal AI assistants for money. Black box the hell out of them / their vessels (with craft), and sell them for upper thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars. I am fairly sure a lot of people, very wealthy people would want one.
 
All of this is assuming, of course, that Dresden hasn't already been silenced, one way or another. Perhaps he 'escaped', likely killing a number of cops and civilians in the process (in order to utterly destroy any good reputation he has), or was 'regrettably shot' during an 'escape attempt,' in which case we are one of the only other people who has anything close to the whole picture…
Oh shit. They could very well end up trying to capture our family to hold hostage against us/to draw us in to silence us as well.
Either way, I doubt that they'll let it blow up, probably keeping it hushed up by either threatening/bribing/blackmailing people into silence, or by silencing them permanently.
For the record, I wouldn't put any of this past the
That seems a bit doomy to me.

The first half requires people to actually manage to kill Harry Dresden and that is something many have tried and failed at.
The second requires attacking the Carpenter home while Michael and Charity are both present, which is something I wouldn't consider easy for any being on this world, up to and including the Devil himself, as long as Amorrachius' influence is in play.
 
Speaking of, I wonder how much social engineering (read - how many demons helper kami) would it take to shift modern definition of techbane from "murphy law field that causes advanced technology to sponteneously break down" to "your tech develops quirks and personality, spontaneously becoming sapient / possessed by / manifesting minor spirits". I mean, with hollow mind possession, we could, in principle, start distributing demons to all (young) practitioners we hear / learn about. Get on the ground floor of the paranet as it was, only make it better, more encompassing, and giving its users advantage of not having to worry about the techbane.

Also, as an idea for passive profit generation (and also for social engineering), we could use hollow mind possession as a way to do midjourney / Dall E over a decade early. That would be a popular revenue generating stream. And we could command the demon to incorporate subtle signs into the drawings praising us, or warding against demons / winter fae, or stuff like that. Besides text-to-art, we could also do text generation, either also like a service (think AI dungeon, but better), or to create and publish books under pseudonym for profit. I am fairly sure demons would do well writing horror at least. Also non-fiction writing. We already see that Clippy can analyze and summarize a lot of data quickly. This is a very sellable service. Market analysis, scientific paper reviews, cross-checking and meta-analysis, legal document reviews, all that stuff. Finally, we could sell demons as personal AI assistants for money. Black box the hell out of them / their vessels (with craft), and sell them for upper thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars. I am fairly sure a lot of people, very wealthy people would want one.
No precedent for the first.
Its at least theoretically possible, given that nearhuman cousins like Bigfoot dont seem to have any issues per se, but we'd probably need enough magic to redefine reality to change that particular feature of mortal magic.

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As for the second, not going to work.

Even assuming we didnt really care about giving the White Council or other supernatural powers a heart attack? HMP still costs 1 Essence per use, and even at E5 our Essence pool is not going to be more than 25/25 or so, and our fastest Essence regen so far outside combat is 1 Essence every 15 minutes.

We can afford to spawn cyberdevils for our own use and that of close associates, but its not a charm with industrial applications.

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If we have any aspirations of doing anything with computer tech, that would be a function of after we instantiate our inner Hell and bring some of its denizens over into the Chicago area.
If we pick the advanced tech option they can probably supply software well in advance of anything mundane.

But at that point money is not going to be a concern, so there's no financial motive, and we probably would not want the visibility.
 
Interesting charms from the back of the book(see the Dark Ages section)


Demon Emperor's Panoply: 1 dot
Demon Emperor's Panoply (•)
That which the Infernal honors by consecrating it as
her own partakes of a small measure of her power.

System: The Infernal may anoint a tool of some sort
– a weapon, a suit of armor or clothing, even something
as simple as a rope – as part of her personal panoply.
This anointment requires using the tool in some sort of
creative blasphemy or atrocity, such as hanging a priest
within his own church, or washing a set of clothes in
innocent blood. While using an element of her panoply
for its intended purpose (soaking with armor, attacking
with a weapon, impressing others with fine clothes) the
Infernal adds one die to all rolls.
She may have a number
of anointed items bound to her at any one time equal to
her Essence, and cannot gain a bonus from more than
one element of her panoply on any given roll.
Nightmare Symphony Repast: 1 dot
Nightmare Symphony Repast (•)
The Infernal sustains herself on the torment and
unrest of others. So long as she is surrounded by suffer-
ing, she needs never rest.

System: The Infernal may inherently sense when she
is within 20 yards of someone experiencing a nightmare,
and can roll Perception + Empathy against difficulty 6
to pinpoint that sleeping individual within a group. She
may then take a moment to breathe in the individual's
night-terrors; this sustains her as though she'd experi-
enced a full night's sleep, including granting her a point
of Willpower once per 24 hours (though it also precludes
the opportunity to gain Willpower by sleeping normally).

Signature Effect: While wearing her Shintai form,
the Infernal gains the ability to detect fear with all five of
her senses – she may smell it, hear it in the beating of a
terror-stricken heart (it is about as loud to her as a man
stamping his foot, and audible from a similar distance),
taste it, feel it, or see it wafting off of a frightened indi-
vidual like a sooty aura.
Donning the Face of Terror: 2 dot
Donning the Face of Terror (••)
Borrowing the fearsome arts of the raksha demons
that call Lanka home, the Infernal shrouds herself in
an illusion of bone-chilling horror. Whatever her victim
most fears in all the world, that is what they perceive the
Infernal to be.

System: Select a target, then spend 1 Essence and
roll Charisma + Intimidation against a difficulty of the
victim's Willpower. Success causes the victim to sud-
denly realize that the Infernal is not who or what he
believed her to be; she is actually whoever or whatever
he most fears in all the world. The Infernal, in turn,
gains instinctive knowledge of what her victim believes
her to be; the difficulty of all actions taken against her
victim while acting "in character" as his greatest fear are
reduced by two. This Charm's effects last for the Infer-
nal's (Essence rating) hours.
Blood of Broken Sinners: 3 dot
Blood of Broken Sinners (•••)
The Infernal's fists are hard as the merciless stones
of Lanka's great buildings and plazas, and as hungry for
the blood, tears, and cries of the wicked.

System: The Infernal's bare-handed attacks inflict
lethal damage, she can block swords and other lethal at-
tacks with her bare hands, and the damage rolls of her
Brawl attacks are made at –1 difficulty. Should she beat
someone to death with her bare hands, she may spend
a turn crushing their bones and compressing their body
into a broken and dripping parcel, then cast it into a rag-
ged hole in the skin of the universe. Their soul is forever
after consigned to suffer in Lanka, the Demon City of
the Rakshas. Condemning a supernatural being in this
fashion reduces the difficulty of the Infernal's Shintai
transformation by one (but no lower than difficulty 7),
so long as that being isn't a creature of darkness.
Games of Expectation and Desire: 3 dot
Games of Expectation and Desire (••••)
The Infernal exercises the higher arts of the rakshas,
making herself appear according to the needs, desires,
and expectations of her victims.

System: Spend 1 Essence and roll Charisma + Em-
pathy against a difficulty of the target's Willpower rating.
Success causes the Infernal's target to suddenly realize she
is not who he had thought she was; he instead perceives
her to be someone else. Upon activating this Charm, the
Infernal may choose whether her victim perceives her to
be the person he most expects to see, the person he most
desperately needs to see, or the person he most wants to
see. The Infernal instinctively becomes aware of who her
victim believes her to be, and, in very broad strokes, how
he expects her to behave. This Charm's effects last for the
Infernal's (Essence rating) hours.
Blasphemous Defeat Averted: 4 dot
Blasphemous Defeat Averted (•••••)
So long as the slightest shred of strength remains to
her, defeat is not a possibility for the Infernal.

System: When the Infernal's Incapacitated health
box should be marked with lethal damage, she may re-
flexively spend 1 Essence to simply refuse to allow any
more damage to be inflicted upon her by the current
attack or other misfortune she currently faces. Denying
aggravated damage in this fashion costs 2 Essence.
Oath of One Hundred Devil Disciples
Oath of One Hundred Devil Disciples (•••••)
By accepting a mortal's oaths of fealty and putting
him through a dedicated training regimen, the Infernal
can transform him into a fanatical killer, and eventually,
a devil in his own right.

System: The Infernal may personally train any mor-
tal who has sworn some sort of formal oath of loyalty to
her. During each day of training such a disciple or group
of disciples, spend 1 Essence per student. At the end of
seven days of training, all students gain 30 experience
points to spend raising their Physical Attributes, Wits,
and Alertness, Archery, Athletics, Brawl, Melee, or Ride
Abilities. No Ability can be raised higher than that of
their Infernal instructor. This Charm can be used on
the same students repeatedly, but bestows only 20 expe-
rience points on subsequent training regimens. Any un-
spent experience is lost. Alternately, rather than bestow-
ing 20 experience from a subsequent training regimen,
the Infernal may instead infuse the wicked powers of
Hell into them, transforming them into bakemono – a
sort of monster that shapeshifters know as fomori. Rules
for fomori can be found on pages 428-439 of W20.

The Infernal can continue to train her Devil Dis-
ciples after they have become bakemono, if she wishes.
Revelations of Silence: 2 dot
Revelations of Silence (••)
In the endless, oppressive crowding of the Wicked
City, silence should be a blessed relief. It is not; it is, instead,
where resentments find time to fester. When two people
regard one another in silence, the Infernal may force open
their hearts, revealing their darkest secrets to one another.

System: Targeting two individuals looking at one an-
other who have not said anything for at least a minute,
the Infernal spends 1 Essence and rolls Wits + Legerde-
main against a difficulty of (the highest Willpower rating
among the two targets). Success causes the two targeted
individuals to each learn whatever the person they are
regarding knows or feels that they would most desperate-
ly not want the other person to know.
Calling the Citizens to Feast: 3 dot
Calling the Citizens to Feast (•••)
The Infernal whistles under her breath, and vermin
boil forth from the shadows: locally-sourced if possible,
with reinforcements dredged from the Wicked City as
needed. With a gesture, the Infernal then drowns her
foes in a tide of flies and rats.

System: The Infernal spends a turn in concentra-
tion, spends 1 Essence, and rolls Intelligence + (Ani-
mal Ken or Seneschal) against difficulty 8. Each success
summons one swarm of rats or flies, which obey the In-
fernal's commands for the rest of the scene.
Rules for
swarms can be found on page 391 of V20.

Signature Effect: When the Infernal dons her Shin-
tai form, it comes into the world accompanied by great
swarms of stinging, biting flies. Anyone caught in the
swarms without sufficient protection (such as heavy,
full-body clothing, a werewolf's thick fur, or some form
of protective magic) suffers one level of bashing damage
per minute, alongside a –2 penalty to all rolls.
The People Are The City: 4 dot
The People are the City (••••)
Hell is other people. The Infernal may force several
human bodies to congeal together into a single tortured
monstrosity, a roiling abomination of overlapping limbs
and screaming faces. She may cause this transformation
to be permanent, or may eventually command most of
the raw physical dross to fall away, leaving a single per-
son behind, altered to her specifications.

System: The Infernal spends several hours perform-
ing blasphemous rituals over a group of consenting, coma-
tose, or restrained mortals, one of which she must nom-
inate as her prime subject. At the end of the ritual, she
spends 4 Essence and rolls Intelligence + Hearth Wisdom
(difficulty 8). Success causes the mortals to flow together
into one horrible abomination. The abomination's traits
are those of the prime subject, with one additional dot
of Strength, Stamina, and Perception for every additional
mortal fused to the mass. All physical actions taken by
the abomination add +1 bonus die per mortal fused into
the construct. The abomination has the prime subject's
ordinary seven Health Levels, plus two additional Bruised
Health Levels for each unfortunate added to the mass.

The abomination remains in its fused state perma-
nently, or until the Infernal commands it to break apart. If
commanded to break apart, the shell of roiling meat falls
away in chunks, leaving behind only the prime subject; all
other "donors" are slain by this dissolution. If the Infer-
nal desires, the prime subject may have any gross physical
infirmities (such as missing limbs or organs) mended by
replacements drawn from the merging of flesh. Also if the
Infernal desires, the prime subject may now be a bakemo-
no – a sort of monster that shapeshifters know as fomori.
Rules for fomori can be found on pages 428-439 of W20.

Signature Effect: The Infernal may reflexively spend
1 Essence to edit her Shintai form after summoning it,
banishing one Aspect and summoning forth a new one
to replace it. The Shintai reverts to its normal array of
Aspects when next summoned.


Of particular interest to us?
-Demon Emperor's Panoply, which buffs (Essence) number of items
-Calling The Citizens to Feast, which summons swarms of vermin under the Infernal's control, and can serve as a template for a charm for summoning Hell residents
-Oath of a Hundred Devil Disciples, which is a training charm that doesnt automatically turn its subjects into bakemono or creatures of darkness
 
As for the second, not going to work.

Even assuming we didnt really care about giving the White Council or other supernatural powers a heart attack? HMP still costs 1 Essence per use, and even at E5 our Essence pool is not going to be more than 25/25 or so, and our fastest Essence regen so far outside combat is 1 Essence every 15 minutes.

We can afford to spawn cyberdevils for our own use and that of close associates, but its not a charm with industrial applications.
We don't know how the devil's capability scales with hardware they are placed in. At all. It is possible that with a powerful enough server, a single devil could run the whole midjourney-like operation.

Selling the AI assistants for anything less than hundreds of thousands of dollars would be out, though, yeah. I mean, there will be a market for such if we can demonstrate the capability, but it would be a completely different market.
But at that point money is not going to be a concern, so there's no financial motive, and we probably would not want the visibility.
Social engineering is always a good motive, as is political power.
 
We don't know how the devil's capability scales with hardware they are placed in. At all. It is possible that with a powerful enough server, a single devil could run the whole midjourney-like operation.

Selling the AI assistants for anything less than hundreds of thousands of dollars would be out, though, yeah. I mean, there will be a market for such if we can demonstrate the capability, but it would be a completely different market.
Doesnt look like it so far.

Social engineering is always a good motive, as is political power.
For theoretical Infernal empire builder maybe.

For Molly Carpenter? No. She is going to have enough trouble coping when she suddenly finds herself responsible for double digit million sapients in her personal Hell at E3.
And I'll be here to point and laugh at her.:V
 
-Demon Emperor's Panoply, which buffs (Essence) number of items
Seems of limited use in terms of weapons and armor at least.
Our most common weapon will always be our demon-sword, because we can take it anywhere.
And that is part of us, not our panoply.

And the armor is nice to have, but only one extra-dice is not competative with other options, like the Exoskeleton, Invulnerable Skin of Bronze or even the Blessing of the Water Dragon.

-Calling The Citizens to Feast, which summons swarms of vermin under the Infernal's control, and can serve as a template for a charm for summoning Hell residents
Several swarms is pretty neat, and more targeted than most options that allow such area-affecting tricks.

-Oath of a Hundred Devil Disciples, which is a training charm that doesnt automatically turn its subjects into bakemono or creatures of darkness
Chirality Index does not turn anyone into Bakemono. Only CoD, which should be pretty harmless unless there are Solars around.
 
Doesnt look like it so far.
As far as I can see, we have done literally zero testing. We know that Clippy can process information quicker than a human can, and can navigate internet, while at the same time maintaining a natural language processing interface (ie being able to understand what we are telling it). We don't know, full stop, what a demon put into a dedicated server would be able to do. To me, "being able to emulate functions of any software able to run on the given hardware at speeds comparable with said software" would seem to be a logical level of ability of a cyberdevil.
For Molly Carpenter? No. She is going to have enough trouble coping when she suddenly finds herself responsible for double digit million sapients in her personal Hell at E3.
And I'll be here to point and laugh at her.:V
Speaking of - should we allow the Church to send missionaries?
 
We never heard of that as a techbane manifestation.
No magic users that curdle milk or are disfigured by warts either.
Nobody affected by the alleged earlier forms of techbane.
canonically its not even always been tech bane it changes every once in a while. The techbane always being a thing is probably a mix of settings here or just dp misinterpreting some things.
 
Well, ok, yeah.I mean, if we want our family to relocate to our kingdom, we pretty much have to allow a parish to be established there for them to attend.
I really don't want to do that.

Our family has ties in this world and our father has a mission here.
I'm strongly against trying to relocate them and I suspect so will they be.
 
Seems of limited use in terms of weapons and armor at least.
Our most common weapon will always be our demon-sword, because we can take it anywhere.
And that is part of us, not our panoply.

And the armor is nice to have, but only one extra-dice is not competative with other options, like the Exoskeleton, Invulnerable Skin of Bronze or even the Blessing of the Water Dragon.
I think you underestimate the armor benefit, especially since its not mutually exclusive with any of the uparmoring options.
And at 3XP for a 1-dot Lanka charm, its much cheaper.

And its not just combat.
Buffing nightvision/thermalvision glasses for improved Perception.
Or amping up a set of jewelry for the social benefits.

Several swarms is pretty neat, and more targeted than most options that allow such area-affecting tricks.
Mmhh. Especially since its not actually combat exclusive.
Dump a swarm of rodents in a house to find something hidden, or a swarm of birds/insects to run a grid square search for someone thats missing. Or have rats attempt to track a fleeing perp by smell.

Chirality Index does not turn anyone into Bakemono. Only CoD, which should be pretty harmless unless there are Solars around.
Holy is in no way a Solar-exclusive effect.
Even back in Creation, there was a Terrestrial Martial Art built around dealing Holy damage. And the Solars had no hand in creating it. I expect it to be an issue here as well.

As far as I can see, we have done literally zero testing. We know that Clippy can process information quicker than a human can, and can navigate internet, while at the same time maintaining a natural language processing interface (ie being able to understand what we are telling it). We don't know, full stop, what a demon put into a dedicated server would be able to do. To me, "being able to emulate functions of any software able to run on the given hardware at speeds comparable with said software" would seem to be a logical level of ability of a cyberdevil.
I doubt Molly is ever going to be interested in exhaustive benchmarks.
That said, we've slapped demons into the Beige Wagon, Molly's teenager phone, the throwaway burner we got for Mouse, and the high end device that FBI Agent Wright totes around.

There's been no gross differences we've noticed this far.
Speaking of - should we allow the Church to send missionaries?
If they are willing to live-in, I dont really care.
As long as noone expects Molls to do a shuttle run moving people any more often than once every several months.
I doubt that Christianity is likely to be new, given that timeywimey bullshit is explicitly in play for any human-inhabited Hell.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 28, 2022 at 3:13 AM, finished with 98 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] The Goodest of Boys
    -[X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency)
    -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Can you please tell me who might be able to give me more details about Harry's case?"
    [X] No, if this is an important secret for Harry you won't snoop, you can ask Father Forthil ask him, or better yet get him out of jail and ask in in person
    [X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency)
    -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Who's he looking for?"
    [X] Plan stick demons in everything.
    [X] Mab. Mab. Mab.
    [X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency) -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Who's he looking for?"
 
I doubt Molly is ever going to be interested in exhaustive benchmarks.
That said, we've slapped demons into the Beige Wagon, Molly's teenager phone, the throwaway burner we got for Mouse, and the high end device that FBI Agent Wright totes around.

There's been no gross differences we've noticed this far.
We haven't really asked our demons for anything demanding. We do know that phone-based demons (and whether the FBI phone is better than Molly's phone in terms of processing power is a very open question) seem to have superhuman information processing and formatting speed.

I definitely can see how Molly could come to "AI artist commissions for sale" IC, if she ever has / gets any friends / acquaintances that are artists / art majors. And even OOC it's a good revenue source.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 28, 2022 at 3:13 AM, finished with 98 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] The Goodest of Boys
    -[X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency)
    -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Can you please tell me who might be able to give me more details about Harry's case?"
    [X] No, if this is an important secret for Harry you won't snoop, you can ask Father Forthil ask him, or better yet get him out of jail and ask in in person
    [X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency)
    -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Who's he looking for?"
    [X] Plan stick demons in everything.
    [X] Mab. Mab. Mab.
    [X] Yes, you need to know all the trouble he's in if you are going to help him (Charisma+Empathy, can use excellency) -[X] Molly sighs and kneels to look Mouse in the eyes. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Who's he looking for?"
 
Arc 2 Post 19: Spirits Dark and Spirits Strange
Spirits Dark and Spirits Strange

21st of July 2006 A.D.

With a sigh you kneel on the worn rug to look Mouse in the eye. "Yeah, I figured. And maybe Harry doesn't want me wrapped up in dangerous stuff. But if that's really true... Harry's used to being alone, but it's a lot easier to get through dangerous stuff together. You know I'm not just a pretty face, and I'm probably one of the best suited to help Harry right now. Can you please tell me who might be able to give me more details about Harry's case? Otherwise I'm going out there half blind and that isn't going to help Harry or me."

Lost 1 Essence

Mouse considers this a long while, all the doggy energy seeming to vanish leaving him still as stone as watchful spirit. Finally he snaps his jaws, licks his snout and nods, before turning for you to follow him. Much to your surprise he leads you to the trap door half hidden by the throw rug in the back of the room, the way to the lab.

Did Harry write down an address and put it down there you wonder? Part of you wants to ask Mouse to just look in there and then text it out, you don't want to snoop. Well no, that is a lie, you do want to snoop, but you know it's wrong to. As Mouse paws quickly at the air above the trap door like he is trying to swat an invisible bug out of the air, shifting the wards around, you vow to only look at what you need to and not what you might be curious about.

That resolve is quickly put to the test as you open the trap door and the light of Clippy's lantern reveals in harsh electric white this room has not seem since Harry moved in a scene fantastical and odd, Every inch of wall space is taken up by shelves that contain everything from Tupperware filled with indistinct liquids to carved wooden boxes filled with myrrh, sage, jasmine and honeysuckle to empty cages made of delicate brass wire that probably could not hold a mouse to reddish brown pelts neatly rolled up to a pair of antlers with way too many points for their small size. And books, of course there would be books in a wizard's laboratory dog-eared battered books with no title on the spine, a Latin dictionary, what looks like books on magic by McCoy himself, books bound in leather and brass alongside notebooks with their contents noted in permanent marker.

There are three long tables along the walls, one of which holds a fantastically detailed model of Chicago made of concrete and stone,wood and shingles, bark and leaf for the trees even. A magical focus for scrying, you realize, impressed by the fine detail work.

As you move a little closer to look at it you feel a cold draft around your ankles and freeze. You don't feel normal cold. Looking down you see a brass circle inscribed on the bare concrete. There is something there in the middle, no under it, bound by stone and circle, old and powerful... and oddly familiar. Lasciel, that is where be put the coin.

Wait a second, why can I feel it? You wonder abruptly, it's not like you could feel Harry's focus or his shield bracelet even when you were sitting next to him in the car.

As you reach out for the unwavering flame of certainty at the heart of your mind, or your soul the cold goes away. It was reaching out to you revealing itself to you. "Cute, better luck never bitch." You like to think the core of Lasciel is seething in her magically enforced time out.

Lost 1 Essence

Mouse gives a woof, though you are not sure if it is a warning or just confusion at the byplay as he leads you to one of the shelves in the back, but these aren't books on magic, they seem to be fiction of a... peculiar sort: bodice-rippers to be precise from the improbably chiseled shirtless men wearing dubiously historical costumes and doe-eyed spunky heroines. You had bought Izzy one of these last Christmas as a joke. It featured a kilt wearing 'Irish Lord' who 'kidnapped' a remarkably amenable English heiress. According to her it was a fun read if you did not overthink it, which was fair enough you guess. The mind was clearly not what the author meant to excite.

As out of place as the books were in the room was the skull along them, covered in finely chiseled glyphs that flowed along where the major veins and arteries of the head would be with a three pointed seal where the third eye would be, a binding yes, but also an empowerment. From the handful of markings you can recognize you guess this is a spirit of intellect, reason and memory made manifest. In other words a perfect assistant for a wizard. At the same time you are pretty sure Harry did not make this, it looks orders of magnitude more complex than even the model of Chicago.

Lost 1 Essence


When light glimmers along the runes and then pools in the eye-sockets as points of arcane flame you are not the least surprised.

"Well hello there pretty lady, I'd ask if I died and went to heaven, but I'm pretty sure you'd be distracting all the angels."

The corny come on though, that's a little surprising. "Er... hello, I'm Molly, Harry might have mentioned me, he's in trouble and I'd like to ask you a few questions. Oh but first what are you called?"

"Harry calls me Bob I'm a..."

"Spirit of intellect, got that from the runes," you cut him off. "Power of the high airs, keeper of reason... something something.... unwavering lantern of the mind though the night of ignorance. I can't read the rest it's on the back."

"You can pick me up if you like, hold me close," the spirit says suggestively.

The book collection Bob is placed among makes more and more sense with every word out of his lipless mouth. Looking on the bright side least it's going to be really easy to get him to talk

"I could do that," you tap your finger on your chin just under your lips. "But that would be over in a moment. Are you sure you don't want something more long lasting for your help. I could get you more books you know."

He doesn't answer leaving you briefly worried that you had lost him before a breathy 'wow' comes out.

Don't giggle at the silliness Molly, don't giggle, you tell yourself and with a Herculean act of will you somehow manage it.

"What do you want to know? I know lots of stuff, about the underpinings of magic and the principles of enchantment, the nature of spirits and gods, blessings and curses, demons and dragons and even the fey. Winter got to you didn't they? And you found something in there that invested you with ancient lore and authority over the seen and the unseen? Listen if you promise not to let it get back to her I can even tell you some things about Mab she'd rather people don't know. Pull up a chair, make yourself at home."

You can't help yourself. "Maybe lean over the table a bit?"

"Far be it from me to say how you should sit fair lady," he manages, a hint of an accent slipping into his voice. You are not sure what it is, maybe French.

What do you ask Bob?

[] Just what case Mab gave Harry

[] Any guesses he may have about what you are

[] Ask about Dragons, Lasciel seemed to believe they might know something about you

[] Ask about Leylines and where you might find a place of power, Usum says such a place could be really useful

[] Write in


OOC: Given what you rolled for charming him Bob will literally spend the next several days talking to you just for the chance to do so.
 
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