Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Well, yeah, but you asked about Multi-action and I spoke about it. There are alternative defensive options like Soak but I spoke about why it may not be enough.
Most other defensive charms are for single attack and cost essence per use.
I am not saying that we have to give up flight, as I will make that a vote next spending turn but that we may want to take Multi-Action with By Rage Recast because of its utility and how we solve a LOT of xp problems with 6xp.
Because the alternative is to buy VLE, 6xp and SWS 3xp AND Ox-Body for 3xp. That is 12xp for only 8 Total Soak, which may not be enough.
The Other charms all cost 6xp and we would need at least 2 so 12 xp and run the risk of running out of Essence if multiple people attack us.
The only scene long option is the 36xp option.
So it all comes down to how much exp we are willing to spend, because currently we have NO soak charms and NO defense charms.
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oh no they can totally vote for what they want and the people I'm telling off are specifically theoretical people who purposely try to tie vote so its not really directed at anyone other than the theoretical people that do that.
Welp, the vote is really close so I'm going to leave it up the full 24 hours.
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None.
Look at our sheet, defense lost out to utility on both XP votes.
I honestly think we'll just have to eat the EXP cost on Opened Eye of the Hurricane at some point.
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do infernal exalted have an geography destroying charms like solars?
Other than the one that explodes man-made stuff around you, they can summon a wave.
Other than that, no.
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offhand do infernals beat solars in anything? I am not familiar with exalted enough and know solars are generally pointed at as yeah your not beating them in a 1v1 thing.
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No I mean we dont have to vote for anything. No ones holding a gun to our head.
They soak better, and technically VEE lets you give a variety in backgrounds.
But otherwise no. Combat, teaching (plus Supernal You Can Be More), socials... not really.
Solars are still...Solars, the golden standard you could say.
Lunars are also actually very good in ExWoD.
And while SMA isn't quite as broken, instead of going deep it seems to reward diversifying MAs and synergies.
The only big advantage Infernals have seems to be the Kingdom itself, so depends on how much you can exploit that.
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VEE is straight bananas.
We also become Xbox huge health levels. And coming back from the dead several times in a row.
We can turn into a dragon. Dragons are rad AF.
Solars weep salty tears of envy over the hell creation charm. If they want a kingdom they have to take it from someone. This. Naturally. Causes issues.
We also become Xbox huge health levels. And coming back from the dead several times in a row.
We can turn into a dragon. Dragons are rad AF.
Solars weep salty tears of envy over the hell creation charm. If they want a kingdom they have to take it from someone. This. Naturally. Causes issues.
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aren't infernal exalted basically baby primordials? I heard something like that. Of course we'll not become a full one in quest as apparently becoming the demon empress basically involves ending this age and that sounds bad. probably.
It is true, but there are no mechanics to actually become a Devil-Tiger like in Ex2.
It doesn't end the world actually, at least in Creation.
It could be very different here as its diminished and essence starved.
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fairly sure the qm said to do it requires that we basically change fundamentally and usher in the sixth age or whatever and you know rule everything.
Devil-Tiger =/= Demon Emperor.
It was specifically about being Demon Emperor.
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in fairness my original comment was demon empress. Also I imagine to well become demon empress you'd need that level of power.
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That is to claim the title of Demon Empress and sit upon God's empty throne and rule the post-apocalyptic remains of the world.
We can still be pretty great without doing that.
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Well of course we can get to the point of killing gods albeit probably not the same world shaking powers they have. Also I do mean world shaking literally look at mab if they try really really hard being able to cause a global ice age.
You'd need E6 for Triumphant Howl of the Devil-Tiger and some pre-req Heresy Charms, but if you can get those you're good to go in Ex2.
Devil-Tiger doesn't explode into a new realm of power instantly, but it absolutely changes your nature, to one of your own/one you design instead of Yozi / Hell, and further Charmtech based on it is where it gets going.
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Honestly, a lot of what Devil-Tiger and it's follow-ups do is not even necessary in ExWoD.
You already picked your own Key-Charms (and corrosponding Excellency).
You chose which Crown to wear.
You can already flavor Charms in the image of your own Hell.
You are not bound by any Torment.
You, the ExWoD Infernal, are not the shadow of some Primordial, you can be your own thing without the Triumphant Howl of the Devil Tiger.
The only relevant feature might be immortality, and even that is not a big deal without the sharp limits of the original Infernal Exaltation bringing you down in 150 years.
You already picked your own Key-Charms (and corrosponding Excellency).
You chose which Crown to wear.
You can already flavor Charms in the image of your own Hell.
You are not bound by any Torment.
You, the ExWoD Infernal, are not the shadow of some Primordial, you can be your own thing without the Triumphant Howl of the Devil Tiger.
The only relevant feature might be immortality, and even that is not a big deal without the sharp limits of the original Infernal Exaltation bringing you down in 150 years.
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oh thats cool so not mutually exclusive firmly outside normal perspective a self crafted perspective though. Doubt we'll be able to get it though even essence 5 is probably the work of a million or two words possibly more I look forward to it though. I'm pretty excited about this. Hey any charms that have to do with worship like as an example from our demons? Also funny idea what do you think about introducing demons to our lord and saviour jesus christ?
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It does sound a lot like were already a devil tiger truly.
We're basically in the process of naturally being a pseudo one.
The Kingdom is basically one of the pre-req Charms for it, and it even has Devils.
The only difference if I remember right is something about how souls would work more like a Primordial, and some immortality stuff, but homebrew is very much flowing together with Core in regards to DTs in my mind as it was kind of ...needing that.