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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Because if he was a solar where has his Exaltion been all this time?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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According to this, Gilgamesh wasn't an exalted, but some ancient infernal's project that they fleshcrafted.
I would buy him being the same person as Solar Pharaoh. But the update seems to imply that he was a godblooded project made by an infernal.
I might be missing some lore, but this seems more like Adorjan reference than a Malfeas one.
[X] Plan 'Fire in the Hole' sounds good
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
A Exaltion would go a long way to explaining all the contradictory relationships that the Egyptian gods had. Past lifes and all that.
Those two things are not exclusive. Being the pet project of an Exalted and keeping up requires certain skills. Not saying he was necessarily exalted, just pointing out the connection.
Oh, certainly, and it would explain "two thirds" god thing. Take a demigod (one part god, one part human), and add an exaltation, which is absolutely a divine thing. You get two parts god, one part human.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
I don't see anything wrong with her plan per se. Shoot first ask questions never. Though if we are I don't see why the Exalt should just stand around and wait.
SSC has no cost to use it's just a roll.
[x] Plan 'Fire in the Hole' sounds good
-[x] Might as well Shadow Spite Curse the host as they do.
SSC has no cost to use it's just a roll.
[x] Plan 'Fire in the Hole' sounds good
-[x] Might as well Shadow Spite Curse the host as they do.
We only see Binder summoning demons/spirits, and its allegedly his best skill and the one he's literally named for, but that doesnt mean its the only thing he can do. Just like Ancient Mai being an enchanter who builds wardhounds doesnt mean its all she's capable of.
We never see Kravos alive; his ghost is the the Nightmare Harry had to deal with.
But we know he's a demon summoner in his lifetime because Michael fought and killed one, and that he does dreamwalking, mind magic and necromancy.
Even that fucker Aristedes in Ghost Story did mind control, kinetomancy and multiple forms of concealment spells in addition to the magical tattoos on his skin.
Like I said, it depends both on the Fallen and the host.
I have previously pointed out the difference between Ursiel/Rasmussen, who was so unremarkable that Nicodemus didnt even remember the name of the human host, and Ursiel/Blood On His Soul, the Big Foot master wizard who walked away from getting crushed in Hades kingdom.
As for teaching? It might might be Fallen/Host compatibility.
Or it might be restrictions on how much a Fallen can give their host directly without meeting some benchmarks ; for example, its explicitly stated that Denarians grow in power by inflicting pain and suffering on others, especially those meant to counter them like, but not restricted to, Knights.
Someone like Lartessa might consider it a better choice to put the options for power from her Fallen into unique Fallen-only options like her 1UP when killed, or her unique mental attack
Then grind for normal magic from a nominally mortal teacher.
Point of correction:
Nicodemus called Namshiel a teacher of sorcery in his conversation with Harry.
Not a sorcerer.
Such as?
Hell, look at the Latin thats the alleged lingua franca of the White Council.
The same terms are used for sorcerer and wizard.
Again, Nicodemus is good at what he does, but he's not perfect.
And I think its unreasonable to use him as a reference for how magic users are classified in the setting.
COMMENTARY
Those sounded like Adorjani references to me.
However, Lillake, Lilû and Killili are all Sumerian demons/goddesses/spirits.
Namshiel is implying at least three different encounters with Infernal Exalts from back when the Sumerian society was a thing back in ancient Mesopotamia around <3000 BC. Alternatively, he's just lying. Demons and their catspaws do that.
It does make it clear that he and his Fallen know enough about HOW Infernals work to know about coadjutors.
Yet despite Usum's long sojourn in Yomi Wan and in Winter, he never knew/met Usum.
I am opposed to wizards throwing magical fire at the guy who boobytrapped two thralls with, as @Alectai put it, a GG no re Fuck You contingent effect. Thats a stupid way to lose wizards.
Especially since we do not know what else is in the room with him. Assuming it IS him.
Do not oppose THE Denarian magical specialist in his own area of specialty IE magical mayhem unless you have no choice.
Remember that whether or not he can reach leylines from here, he can always source Hellfire from wherever he happens to be.
Harry could, and Namshiel is actually a full Denarian, not someone being tempted.
Thorned Namshiel is either Intelligence 6 or Empathy 6.
Either way, that sets a precedent to expect superhuman base Attributes among at least the elder Denarians.
I very much doubt that he didnt hear us coming.
So if he's still casting.....
We should probably throw countermagic at whatever he's casting. With an Excellency.
Or he's just lying. Bad guys do that sometimes.
I mean, his goal in talking was apparently to stall Molly; a fascinating lie would do the job as well as an actual truth.
That seems to be a hell of a jump.
Age of Legends Solars indisputably died of old age.
Solars invented shit like high-Essence Primordial emulation charms but never made the step to transcendence.
Not everyone is a PC, even among Exalts.
You got Essence out of that through the Urge, some part of it had to have been truth, that's what made it so tempting.
@DragonParadox what buffs do we have running?
None, the last scene you put buffs on is long past, though if you want you can include retroactively putting them on the way here.
*looks at votes*
Why are you guys voting that the wizards cast magic at the guy who just booby trapped the last set of thralls specifically to use the magic of enemy casters against them?
Did we not literally just pass out mundane guns so as not to have to do this?
That looks like TRAP spelled in flaming words of fire, and we're stepping into it.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Is Demonic Primacy of Essence proccing for Molly?
Because Im not sure if thats Namshiel in the first place, as opposed to some sucker he's working through.
Why are you guys voting that the wizards cast magic at the guy who just booby trapped the last set of thralls specifically to use the magic of enemy casters against them?
Did we not literally just pass out mundane guns so as not to have to do this?
That looks like TRAP spelled in flaming words of fire, and we're stepping into it.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Is Demonic Primacy of Essence proccing for Molly?
Because Im not sure if thats Namshiel in the first place, as opposed to some sucker he's working through.
I am 100% sure that "infernals are immortal in terms of age" was a ruling at one point of the quest. Even if not, in ExvsWoD immortality in terms of age is trivial.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
It was.
It did not proc all conversation, that said if that is a decoy then the real one could just be talking into a different phone, DPE can only inform you about the nature of the voice on the phone that way.
Immortal in terms of age is not immortal in terms of not getting stabbed or otherwise murderized.
PC feats are PC feats; its unwise to consider them to be the minimum standard for everyone else.
So Molly is back down to Stamina 3.
Which means we are going to need to activate defensive buffs as well as offensive charms.
Yeah.
Im looking at the attire of grey robes and considering that Denarians do not dress that way in the Dresden Files.
Ever. They always dressed more or less with the times.
Also, wasnt Namshiel unsealing something on the phone line?
Something doesnt fit right to me.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
That is true though he is in enemy territory. Is there any particular reason for him not to use a disguise to potentially save time?
*checks again*
And we specifically rolled Perception + Alertness to notice that hiss.
This isnt our guy, its another decoy.
One of these things is not like the other.
And we specifically rolled Perception + Alertness to notice that hiss.
This isnt our guy, its another decoy.
We've met three Senior Council wizards and an assortment of younger ones in this quest.
They mostly dress in period-appropriate attire, or attire that would pass as appropriate in the part of the world where they come from. There's only ever a formal attire for formal meetings.
We have seen Denarians in canon. They all dress normally.
Also, its Thorned Namshiel.
He can throw up a veil so good that Dresden didnt know it was there until he literally ran over the guy.
Why would he bother with a disguise when he can simply walk past you? Especially in a Hall that was literally in chaos?
EDIT
Im thinking something's wrong here.
He knows we are coming because he can hear us on the phone. And yet this figure is not facing where the threat would be coming from and its face is deliberately obscured.
Schmuck bait.
Specifically, schmuck bait aimed at making all the wizards Lawbreakers and slowing us down.
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