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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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From my perspective at least the key purpose of this arrangement was to undo millennia of sadistic vampiric violations as quickly as possible for both ethical and practical reasons.
Even if he couldn't help us we could at least claim a moral victory for protecting and restoring the weak as long as he got better. I'd obviously much prefer if he installed laser eyes and went crusading against the red court with an army of demonpunk cyborgs, but still.
If he's still suffering from unspeakable mutilation and as physically present in red territory as he is in Sanctuary then how exactly did he benefit from this?
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I have to agree with BronzeTongue @DragonParadox the objective of taking him to our world was for him to die there and be reborn without the problems caused by the Reds. If that is not happening why the hell did we open a breach in the security of our own soul?
Ah... to be more clear, it is going to be handled once the emergency is done so that Molly can be there in case something goes wrong.
As an aside, I cant decide if Mallko is the best or worst possible intersection point with Earth for the FCF. They already have some idea, but this is a culture shaping moment as mush or more than the White Council's visit.
On one hand he's a land god, which puts him in context for them. They have land spirits, and to an extend Molly is basically that for their whole planet. They know roughly what he is and their god empress making friends with something like what they see her has if you squint makes a sort of intuitive sense.
On the other hand holy shit his story is bleak. Reds are alien monsters to them, and the way they're born just makes it worse. True death outside the hands of a priest is still new to them, and from a certain perspective reds are like an evil twist to the wheel. They don't just kill you, they take your life. If I was inventing horror stories for people who reincarnate that's where I'd start.
A foreign land god falling at the hands of a strange evil, shattering an empire and leaving them all to suffer any exploitation their new masters could think of, seems like a bit of a volatile image in their current situation. The parallels are immediately obvious and equally galvanizing. I'm glad we have two clones in there right now, because the local politics probably just got exciting. Especially considering some of their leadership has been active since the wars of unity.
I expect people like say Logistician of the Unstoppable Company to have a reaction best conveyed in a sequence of heavy metal album covers.
That's great right now, but not so much for peaceful exchanges later.
On one hand he's a land god, which puts him in context for them. They have land spirits, and to an extend Molly is basically that for their whole planet. They know roughly what he is and their god empress making friends with something like what they see her has if you squint makes a sort of intuitive sense.
On the other hand holy shit his story is bleak. Reds are alien monsters to them, and the way they're born just makes it worse. True death outside the hands of a priest is still new to them, and from a certain perspective reds are like an evil twist to the wheel. They don't just kill you, they take your life. If I was inventing horror stories for people who reincarnate that's where I'd start.
A foreign land god falling at the hands of a strange evil, shattering an empire and leaving them all to suffer any exploitation their new masters could think of, seems like a bit of a volatile image in their current situation. The parallels are immediately obvious and equally galvanizing. I'm glad we have two clones in there right now, because the local politics probably just got exciting. Especially considering some of their leadership has been active since the wars of unity.
I expect people like say Logistician of the Unstoppable Company to have a reaction best conveyed in a sequence of heavy metal album covers.
That's great right now, but not so much for peaceful exchanges later.
Vote closed.
Arc 14 Post 24: Luck of the Draw
Luck of the Draw
18th of February 2007 A.D.
"I think we should..." you stop and look around. "I need a break." There, admission of weakness, it doesn't feel great given the day job these people have, but you've admitted weakness to Maeve before and hurting others is a hobby for her. "I'm not running on empty, but it's close enough I wouldn't want to get into a running fight against the kind of surprises a warlock can pull out of their... hats, never mind several of them."
Harry of course looks worried, Carlos looks surprised, obviously not thinking of potential weaknesses... which is more than you can say about his superiors. They're all shaded in various mixtures of worry and relief. Odds are good you confirmed some theories about being 'more like a vampire of the White Court than not' bound to a source of internal magic. Hmm... actually, do any of them know about the Hungry Dead? These seem like the kind of people who would be traveling to interesting places, meeting new people and killing them.
While your mind's racing, giving commands putting people on high alert your hands are busy handing out food, chicken soup and chicken Alfredo, more filling than fabulous, but on the eve of battle no one's complaining. Poor Carlos does look like he's darn near choking on the food from nerves though.
"Not what you expected when you took on a job training some newbies is it huh?" you ask sympathetically.
"I doubt anyone could have expected.... that."
"Yeah," you admit ruefully, or start to at least. "Pull on one thread and..."
"How could anyone do that, knowing the Laws, knowing what's going to happen?" He isn't talking about the conspiracy.
"Someone with a far better grasp of the darker side of human nature than me once said that humans are a lot better at rationalization than reason." Tiffany smiles, but stays silent. "I think that's part of it the other part is... well they ganged up on him didn't they? If he was in a fist fight and six people came at him with tire irons you wouldn't be surprised he ended up dead would you? With people like that words are weapons, simple as."
"That's dark, real dark," he sighs.
"No man is an island, he could've gotten help, friends, family, colleagues, a priest if he leans that way," you continue, not wanting him to misunderstand. "That's why people need community. Oh f... fiddlesticks!"
"What?" He starts to get up from his seat.
"Nothing, nothing, just starting to sound like my mother there, with the good influences and the bad, it's true but you know... weird."
"Trouble at home? Sorry it's just hard to imagine someone who can give it to you."
"You haven't met Mom, I'll introduce you some day..." you laugh. "It used to be trouble now it's more like we argue out of habit sometimes or at least that's what it feels like, retreading old ground that's been concreted over in the meantime."
"What's with the thing he wouldn't name? Almost sounded like he was talking about God except... obviously not."
"I have a suspicion it's about the farthest thing from God that exist which used to be human, a soul turned inside-out. It's to Horace Shaw back there what he is to you or Harry or Morgan, that's why even he recognized it, tried to back down. I don't think someone like that can even exist in reality for very long."
"Outsiders do, the real ones," he points out grimly.
"They were never human, they were never born of flesh, they were never made of atoms. The material world has just enough of a claim left on the Hollow Man to pull him apart if he should let it.. It's the other side of the coin see, he understands mortals-on-Earth in the way his masters never could, he can still use wizard's magic for all no one would mistake it for anything but blackest sorcery so he has to pay the piper, the law of reciprocity holds."
It's only when you say the last bit that you realize you had gone from quoting Lash to quoting Uriel. You wonder if he'd mind. Probably not, he didn't seem to bear her any ill will, not even Lasciel proper in truth.
"If they have been mind whammied, the cabal I mean, what's the difference between them and me?" he asks quietly. "Just luck, that they didn't push me over the edge because they needed me clean?" There is a worry behind his eyes you'd never see in someone like Harry, much less the likes of Morgan and his poesy, that he's not good enough, an imposter wearing a hero's cloak.
What do you answer?
[] You have a heck of a lot more of a claim to being different from them than I do. The world's complicated and messy, but we do the best we can. (Quietly explain your own law-breaking)
[] Influence comes in degrees and free will is still important, maybe the most important thing
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OOC: So I was thinking about how Carlos was taking this... and the more I thought about it the more complicated and dark it got until it pretty much had to be an update. Thankfully you guys voted for a break that allowed the space for this conversation to happen. No rolls in this one (yet).
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For the sake of being able to do stuff/be present to react to emergencies; instead of hanging out in a thermos of bleach - unless word of QM has already denied this idea - I am once again suggesting that we make a collapseable wetsuit or partial wetsuit that can hold enough bleach against Molly's skin to allow for essence recovery, while still allowing her to move about and talk to people.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Oh yeah villain was derived from the word villager. It can also mean poor people.😅
@DragonParadox Errors. Also these from before.
I don't believe there's a mistake here but I'm having trouble understanding what this means exactly. Were the WC handed a method of communication? What were the Warden's given if so?
Technically not incorrect though highlighted incase this was meant to be "to".
The phrase is "come apart at the seams".
Extra word?
Hither and yon.
We are Molly.
Trouble Down Under
Missing "something" in between is and a.
Creap and Creak
The title itself should be "Creep".Should be a question mark.
Clearing the Air
Missing period at the end.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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The honest answer from my point of view... Yes. All humans can simply be broken. Even those with a will of 10 can eventually be turned into villains. There is simply no way for a person to be immune to this. That is one of the problems and advantages of being human, not being tied to a pattern. Ultimately however, that is not what he needs to hear I think.
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I like Carlos, he can be a great ally and I don't see a problem considering our dark past, especially since with our data it is more than likely that we will end up getting closer, since we are sharing secrets, as it is human nature and I am willing to activate an excellence of empathy.
[X] You have a heck of a lot more of a claim to being different from them than I do. The world's complicated and messy, but we do the best we can. (Quietly explain your own law-breaking)
-[X] Excellence in Empathy
[X] You have a heck of a lot more of a claim to being different from them than I do. The world's complicated and messy, but we do the best we can. (Quietly explain your own law-breaking)
[X] You have a heck of a lot more of a claim to being different from them than I do. The world's complicated and messy, but we do the best we can. (Quietly explain your own law-breaking)
-[X] Excellence in Empathy
[X] You have a heck of a lot more of a claim to being different from them than I do. The world's complicated and messy, but we do the best we can. (Quietly explain your own law-breaking)
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Sorry, asking for clarification.
-Is he upset that this is part of human nature, for moral reasons?
-is he upset that this is part of human nature, for safety reasons?
-is he upset that he is in danger?
- is he upset that he is( in his mind) to weak to withstand an attack as described by us?
Or a mix of the above? Or something else?
What part of this talk is the main issue for him?
-Is he upset that this is part of human nature, for moral reasons?
-is he upset that this is part of human nature, for safety reasons?
-is he upset that he is in danger?
- is he upset that he is( in his mind) to weak to withstand an attack as described by us?
Or a mix of the above? Or something else?
What part of this talk is the main issue for him?
Fixed. It was indeed 'to' up there, there was a coma missing and a few of those are intentional archaisms either or style or because Lydia occasionally slips into the Victorian speaking patterns of her father having a go at English.
He is upset at the idea that he's only carrying a sword instead of being hunted by those who do because as he sees it the conspiracy choose not to turn him into a warlock. That upends his entire conception of himself and more importantly how much agency warlocks really have.
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Yes, he doesn't need to hear "Yes, you were lucky that they didn't need your for a thing and you were even luckier to be friends with someone who realized that is in you mind and could easily break it. Life is unfair like that" even though it's completely true.
Humans usually don't like to receive the naked truth like that, especially when they are vulnerable, no matter what they could say.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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We are trying to recover essence right now not spend it.
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I know but I don't think it will make a difference and I think that the moment calls for the best, but I can vote to do this without excellence too.
I mean. If a group of warlocks gangs up on him, he gets backup. The correct choice, both martial and social. There is always some trick, but there also always some defences.
The goal should be to integrate more with other people and seek perspective on life, not become a vadass lone wolf.
Warlocks need to die,( in , that is the reason why they are killed) because their cursed status drives them to do horrible things, but they are not inherently evil at the start.
A good number of them are victims, to circumstances or each other, but there is no(known) cure, and they are both dangerous and can spread.
Its easier,( i hope) if he thinks of being a warlock as less something someone is as a person, and more of an active curse that is(currently) unhealable and dangerous to themselves and those around them.
You can hate the person that is the endresult of the curse. You dont have to hate the person who just got the curse.
The goal should be to integrate more with other people and seek perspective on life, not become a vadass lone wolf.
Warlocks need to die,( in , that is the reason why they are killed) because their cursed status drives them to do horrible things, but they are not inherently evil at the start.
A good number of them are victims, to circumstances or each other, but there is no(known) cure, and they are both dangerous and can spread.
Its easier,( i hope) if he thinks of being a warlock as less something someone is as a person, and more of an active curse that is(currently) unhealable and dangerous to themselves and those around them.
You can hate the person that is the endresult of the curse. You dont have to hate the person who just got the curse.
[X] Influence comes in degrees and free will is still important, maybe the most important thing
-[X]Stunt:'' Horace Shaw even though he was hit with mind bending Magic was alone. Inherently these warlocks and the not-man are a nihilistic impulse loneliness, deprivation, disconnection they prey on these things. Though he was affected by mind-bending Magic he had already largely separated himself, he had no one, no friends, no confidants, no allies hell not even people he interacted with on a normal basis. He believed himself alone and in believing it made it true. The difference between you and him is you have people who can notice who can see. Humanity lives and dies by this principle if you want to go fast go alone if you want to go far go together. Cloak yourself in allies, in friendship, in love and you will find a hand reaching out to you of their own free will and as long as you have any will of your own to reach out you can be returned inherently isn't that the truth of The Sword of Damocles."
There are few things as lost as someone who believes themselves to be so. While there are points of no return you cannot help someone who does not wish to be helped. Then again this might be my own kind of viewpoint on what warlocks and Eaters of the weak are. Along with Christian ideology along the lines of forgiveness and understanding.
-[X]Stunt:'' Horace Shaw even though he was hit with mind bending Magic was alone. Inherently these warlocks and the not-man are a nihilistic impulse loneliness, deprivation, disconnection they prey on these things. Though he was affected by mind-bending Magic he had already largely separated himself, he had no one, no friends, no confidants, no allies hell not even people he interacted with on a normal basis. He believed himself alone and in believing it made it true. The difference between you and him is you have people who can notice who can see. Humanity lives and dies by this principle if you want to go fast go alone if you want to go far go together. Cloak yourself in allies, in friendship, in love and you will find a hand reaching out to you of their own free will and as long as you have any will of your own to reach out you can be returned inherently isn't that the truth of The Sword of Damocles."
There are few things as lost as someone who believes themselves to be so. While there are points of no return you cannot help someone who does not wish to be helped. Then again this might be my own kind of viewpoint on what warlocks and Eaters of the weak are. Along with Christian ideology along the lines of forgiveness and understanding.
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This is an unnecessarily long text, it's better to summarize it.
We are literally in a conversation. what are you talking about? Trying to make a point about emotional and material connections as well as the Free Will of those connections both in their forging and maintenance and yourself as well as human nature requires a little bit of elaboration. Especially when you're tying it into white Council ideology about what the Sword of Damocles is supposed to do.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Well, that bit is completely true. If your getting mind-whammied by a Warlock into doing black magic and then the nature of magic just reinforces it into you, your fucked. Sad fact of the setting which brings us back to the Crow discussion from earlier...
Probably best not to tell him that though even if it's obvious upon reflection, haha.
It doesn't happen instantly. That's largely the point of Dresden also being a warlock. He's killed people with his magic before and he's been acquitted before put under the sword of Damocles he explicitly puts Molly under the Sword of Damocles for also becoming a warlock. It takes repeated and continuous use of dark magic to become so fucked up that a person who uses it is completely unsalvageable. That isn't to say warlocks are inherently a fixable phenomenon but to say they all need to die or they must be killed is completely false.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Well yes, Free Will and all that. Cases like Dresden and Molly though are implied to be rare if things do get that far your normally just screwed more often than not.