Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

No not really.



I don't get where this hype and reverence for dresden files enemies comes from. We saw that a millitia with guns absolutely wreck the formers and they are kicking many factions asses.

We have seen a a titan manhandle winter queen and everyone else and she isn't impressive.


An artillery battalion would body everyone in that war and we have quite literally 100000 thousand times the resources.


Like the Technocracy could conquer this world over a long weekend. Its a low tier urban fantasy world. Like the final armies of light from the wheel of time gap everyone of these guys and they are mostly medieval/early modern.

Speculation: If the Dresden Files setting is not a meaningful threat even if we make questionable decisions, then all that's left is the stomping and what we want Molly's new world order to look like. I call this strong Exalted primacy.

Weak Exalted Primacy by comparison means that it's possible for Molly to take over the world if she gets strong enough or at the very least, attain a position of enough power to make significant improvements. However, if we get arrogant and make questionable decisions, it is within the power of the Dresden Files setting to punish us for our hubris. This setup allows for Exalted power fantasy while also allowing for gamability due to the possibility of loss.

Weak Dresden Primacy is like weak Exalted primacy, only slightly more difficult. The most Molly could hope for is becoming a high level accords power among others.

Strong Dresden Primacy defeats the point of having an Exalted quest at all.

Ideally the quest world maintains weak Dresden Primacy or weak Exalted primacy, those are the two most gameable/questable scenarios. People don't want to think they're in a strong Exalted primacy scenario or that they outscaled the setting because it makes the quest feel pointless. If this were a Rihaku or Birdsie quest there might be a cut to good end and answering questions if the setting gets outscaled.
 
The problem with that idea of Primacy, is Exalted are explicitly intended to grow and defeat anything. It not a question of if an Exalted can grow stronger then the setting, they are in, but when and how long. That what Exalted are a self improving weapon with no upper limit save time to get their.

Their a reason the In setting response to a Exalted showing up is send armies to kill them. Giving any Exalted time to grow, is how you lose to any/all Exalted. Only the highest of ultra high tier setting can handle a grown Exalted.
 
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"Mallko, Inca god of Law, bane of oathbreakers, if they just let him loose he'll go after whoever looks most like an oathbreaker"
Looking back there was a God here the whole time or a God showed up and Molly didn't notice? No perception roll for something like that?

@DragonParadox Errors.
A winged spear is still a spear and can be deflected like one, fire with fire to catch the hits and cast is off.
The one reminds one that it would not have been that long ago, certainly not as wizards count time, that a young Carlos would have in the position of the twins, and maybe just a little bit intimidated by one Donald Morgan.
Also missing "been" after "Carlos would have".
you are met with the sight of four wizard
Neither he nor you, nor even Sophia have a chance to give the answer before it comes in sinister howls from nowhere, from Elsewhere. Mishapen
Could use a comma after "in".
decamp death of the vesself would have been far prederable to some petty 'knight' or 'baron' drinking of my vessels is revolting." even these titlesof his own kin the Dark Voice speaks with faint disdain likely for being older than the Spanish who brought them to this lands, but trhe greater meaning
Could use a comma after decamp, and the first sentence reads a bit oddly. The yellow "to" could be replaced with a comma to have it make sense as it currently reads.


A Will in the Way
smile."Its cool." Your caste mark
White, that is your first impression of the the thing that shows itself
A moment's iddle talk with Bob as only Bob talks idly comes back to mind and with it the name: Mordite
Needs a period at the end as well.
the ones they have bee draining.
And then the stone comes rocking almost sixty feet in your direction even though you'd been ready for it as another pale thing blooms among the broken ones like a poison flower
Missing a period at the end.


Playing the Middle Ground
The talisman Lydia had lent you on the way here spills itself int your anima,
thing has ever killed down the spiral of ages look back at you, men and woman, old and young, only the horror unites them.
Shall I posthumously add thespian arts to thine domain, seeing all this insistence to practice even as you die? I know you want me to break the bullshit rules?
Should be a period instead of of a question mark.
Farther flies the shard, thunder beats far off and one begins to wonder what this many younger vampires broken vampires were even doing out here.
Needs a comma before and after "broken vampires".
but this area is means to be a 'hunting preserve' for the old and powerful,
"If you woldn't mind
"Mallko, Inca god of Law, bane of oathbreakers, if they just let him loose he'll go after whoever looks most like an oathbreaker"
Missing period at the end.
Maybe it's sane enough to take a hand up.
Question mark instead?
 
Speculation: If the Dresden Files setting is not a meaningful threat even if we make questionable decisions, then all that's left is the stomping and what we want Molly's new world order to look like. I call this strong Exalted primacy.

Weak Exalted Primacy by comparison means that it's possible for Molly to take over the world if she gets strong enough or at the very least, attain a position of enough power to make significant improvements. However, if we get arrogant and make questionable decisions, it is within the power of the Dresden Files setting to punish us for our hubris. This setup allows for Exalted power fantasy while also allowing for gamability due to the possibility of loss.

Weak Dresden Primacy is like weak Exalted primacy, only slightly more difficult. The most Molly could hope for is becoming a high level accords power among others.

Strong Dresden Primacy defeats the point of having an Exalted quest at all.

Ideally the quest world maintains weak Dresden Primacy or weak Exalted primacy, those are the two most gameable/questable scenarios. People don't want to think they're in a strong Exalted primacy scenario or that they outscaled the setting because it makes the quest feel pointless. If this were a Rihaku or Birdsie quest there might be a cut to good end and answering questions if the setting gets outscaled.
I don't even think it comes down to outscale it right because unless for some reason the quest to like completely goes off the rails and people are willing to get tens hundreds of thousands of our people killed trying to claim modern Earth countries and kill millions of normal people in the process the conquest thing isn't really going to happen. The thing is we're only 20 to 25 years ahead on Tech curve the difference between 20 and 25 years is great but it's like the difference between faster more accurate intercontinental ballistic missiles not immunity from intercontinental ballistic missiles.

But trying to push into a hell using our own armies invites lord of the land Shenanigans which can get tens of thousands of our people killed regardless of their guns and supernatural abilities. Trying to fight the denarians in broad daylight in a trap they set for us can get us killed. Trying to fight the Yama King so without preparation could get us killed it's just when people say that they are like penultimate threats rather than essentially equals standing opposite of us it paints a picture of being outmatched when the reality we just need to be smart in how we maneuver.

To take in that reality as best we are capable of seeing it and making an effective plan on actualizing on it. Just like every other actor in setting that's why I don't think the denarians would try to strike a portal in the middle of the Brazilian Rainforest that has actual setup defenses in it it doesn't make sense logistically, it doesn't make sense to physically, it doesn't make sense strategically and it has a good chance of getting them killed.

When in actuality setting up a trap in a city or someplace where we cannot bust out the shintai without possibly killing people due to radiation and cold emanating from it is a way better Strat that they could probably develop way quicker than having to try and Pierce a hard point in the middle of nowhere.

I don't think we outscale any of the setting I just think that overestimating your opponents is just as bad as underestimating them because it leads to timidity and overthinking of actions that require thought but also require action rather than thinking about it over and over and over again negotiating hypotheticals within your mind that may not be real.

The second we acquired our hell we became a peer of the old gods and their Realms Olympus, Asgard, Hanan Pacha, Arctis Tor, Avalon pretending like we didn't is actively handicapping ourselves and to be honest giving our Foes way more leeway than they need or deserve.
 
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Looking back there was a God here the whole time or a God showed up and Molly didn't notice? No perception roll for something like that?

@DragonParadox Errors.
Also missing "been" after "Carlos would have".


Could use a comma after "in".

Could use a comma after decamp, and the first sentence reads a bit oddly. The yellow "to" could be replaced with a comma to have it make sense as it currently reads.


A Will in the Way



Needs a period at the end as well.


Missing a period at the end.


Playing the Middle Ground



Should be a period instead of of a question mark.

Needs a comma before and after "broken vampires".



Missing period at the end.

Question mark instead?

Fixed, thanks.

Vote closed. I have to say it's very nice to see all the conversation guys
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 2, 2024 at 2:18 PM, finished with 88 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Leave it to Regina, that is what she does best (Newborn Regent of Sanctuary)
    [X] Plan This Land is my Land
    -[X] Phase 1 Sanctuary defenses:
    —[X] Ask any local security forces to establish a perimeter
    —[X] Ask local sorcerers to start on what wards they can while more help arrives.
    —[X] Get Sophia and Regina on the phone with the Exarchs, explaining the situation, impressing the seriousness of the risk and reward involved here.
    —-[X] Request whatever air power can be made available, focusing on surveillance and ground strike capability. Ensure they have perfect weather.
    —-[X] Request whatever emplacements, artillery, and heavy weapons units can be diverted to the area. If they have a fast reaction force capable of occupying the area now would be the time to use them.
    —-[X] Request they send the best they can get ahold of to take over warding and fortifying the portal.
    —-[X] Leave Regina and Sophia to coordinate continuous improvements and an air power heavy earthside contingent as more resources arrive.
    -[X] [Stunt]: Taking a moment to consider, Molly stretched something that felt like a limb that had fallen asleep, stirring the world to action. Reaching out a hand more because it felt right than because it was necessary, she pushed it to change.
    —[X] Deep in the volcanic crater, lava began to flow. Carefully avoiding anything made by mortal hands, it formed an open lake of molten earth.
    —[X] In the distance the ring of lightning momentarily brightened, and five breezes in the iron wind were fused by the heat. Hurled through the air at alarming speeds they struck like thunderbolts before cooling into five pillars - or teeth a part of her noted - forming a perfect pentagon reaching out over the pool at a dizzying height.
    —[X] Pinching off a bit of the rim nearest to Mallko she pushed it out, kneading the front into a disk as she went, balancing it on the pillars with the portal dead center.
    —[X] An absent tap of her foot sent a shiver through the ground, and the natural landscape seemed to twist in subtle ways. Outcroppings becoming perfect firing positions, paths favoring the defense and slowing ascent, the beginnings of a fortress mountain forming from what seemed to be coincidences of nature. Those who hadn't watched it change could be forgiven for thinking it had always been that way.
    —[X] Coming back to herself a bit, Molly turned to her suddenly quiet audience. Looking to the sorcerers, she tried to brush past it "Anyone good with wards? I'd like to ask an army task force to come out here as soon as they can, but we're the first line of defense here" gesturing to her work "I've got it started, but feel free to make suggestions for if you've got them too. Might not get to them till later, but every bit helps".
    [X] Plan: Fortified Position
    -[X] Actually you have something pretty specific in mind
    --[X] Earth Side
    ---[X] A Couple of tons of the strongest metals Sanctuary can provide quickly so that I can fashion into a Vault with a loud as hell Lock and hinge.
    ---[X] Ten Hand agents that have sensory Augments that would allow them to see Immaterial spirts
    ---[X] 60 Gurvel to patrol around the vault.
    ---[X] X Amount of mountable Cyberdevil cameras.
    ---[X] X Amount of small form factor drones.
    ---[X] Spirits willing to help defend in the mortal world.
    ---[X] 20 Balefire Mines
    ---[X] 50 Mundane Mines
    ---[X] Whoever is qualified to place those Mines.
    ---[X] 8 heavy Machine Gun Emplacements
    --[X] Sanctuary Side
    ---[X] Full Spectrum Surveillance (Motion, Thermal, Mana, Spirit) in a 30 meter radius of the opening.
    ---[X] A Series of High pressure hoses of water around the portal Surveillance area aimed at the Iris.
    ---[X] Raised Microwave active denial system platforms arranged in the same fashion.
    ---[X] Auto Electro shock turrets arranged in an X formation on both sides of the Oculus set to stun.
    ---[X] A Sutra powerful enough to take in all the information and coordinate the hand agents, the gurvel, the cyber devils and Auto turrets.
    ---[X] Ask Regina to start troop build up around the portal.
    ---[X] Get sorcerer engineers to start setting up words around this area.
    ---[X] I'll reshape the land around the portal into a bowl-shaped Caldera.
    --[X] Stunt: "We'll start earth side this is going to be on short notice but I need the strongest metals that you can get me in large quantity I'm talking tons. I'll make them a large block with a large obvious vault door, one way in one way out. Then I'll need a grouping of Hand agents that possess the augments or ability to see immaterial spirits to be on the inside of the Vault because air will be coming in from the five full court of Fate there's no need to put any holes in it that aren't the door." Taking a deep breath. "Then I'll need a large group of Gurvel as well as eight heavy machine gun emplacements a big obvious defense that will hopefully draw attention away or very least make people believe that they are the last line of defense so they don't believe the sealed box of metal with no airways has anyone in it. As well as any spirits that are willing to volunteer to help us on the mortal side. I'll need as many cyberdevil cameras as you can give me I'll Mount them to the trees in roughly a 100 yard radius around the portal both facing away and towards the portal hopefully to give the Gurvel and the agents as well as Sanctuary warning if anyone is coming. Then a mixed Cadre of mines hopefully the presence of magical ones will even better conceal the non-magical ones they'll be staggered throughout the same area as the cameras. As well as any small form factor durable drones that are capable of flying in between trees we don't want them flying to far above the canopy that might alert anyone who's trying to sneak in and might give away the element of surprise. This is largely temporary and will need someone who's cleared to implant the explosives but hopefully there's a hold of us until we can build something more than a skeleton." Another deep breath think for a second make sure there aren't any objections or anything else that might need to be handled before you continue. " On this side we don't want anyone to die we don't want anyone who comes to that portal unannounced or unofficially to get away. I'll reshape the land around the portal into a bowl-shaped Caldera you'll have clear lines of sight throughout the entire Valley onto the portal. As well as an array of surveillance whether that be manned or otherwise of people that can see Mana see spirits and cameras that can view thermals and sensors that can detect motion along with spotlights on the portal, paired with hoses that will spray down at the lightest provocation anything that might have been sensed with just streams of water I want any magic that they might have on them washed away. Then raised platforms for ADS Flats hopefully integrated into the valley that I'll raise for this area around the portal we're going to need Electro turrets set to stun I want anyone who comes through that portal downed. I want their magic washed away, I want them screaming in pain and unconscious before they know what happened. Then we'll need a Sutra that has a powerful enough receiver and Transmitter to coordinate all the information both from the surveillance inside and outside through the vault. Regina I need you to start Gathering troops just in case as well as get the sources Engineers to Heavily Ward this Valley. Did I miss anything anything you can think of?"
 
Speculation: If the Dresden Files setting is not a meaningful threat even if we make questionable decisions, then all that's left is the stomping and what we want Molly's new world order to look like. I call this strong Exalted primacy.
No it just means we are a hard target. They need to pull the skin walker stat to beat us, threaten innocents.

Its never been about a threat us. We are essence 4, if we had invested completely i personal ability, we could stride out and carve a new reality from the outside.

But we invest exp and intimacy to the world and that is what we fight over. Our enemies also wants the world. The game is influence not invasion because we will kill them.
 
Last few.
The tone reminds one that it would not have been that long ago, certainly not as wizards count time, that a young Carlos would have in the position of the twins, and maybe just a little bit intimidated by one Donald Morgan.
Still needs a "been" after Carlos would have.
Spanish who brought them to this lands, but the greater meaning
 
No interest in my plan? I think that absent a specific shell game to play that the best thing to do is set a general direction and let our people do the details. Molly can help best by doing what only she can do.

Though honestly as much as I like the stunt I wrote the idea of a more social one is appealing too.

I'm tempted to write one where we ask the Exarch of Law - Logistician of the Unstoppable Company - if he is willing to step forward in defense of the soul of his goddess, the people of his world, and the place of justice in the face of unspeakable cruelty, simply because he and his whole city might spontaneously teleport to the portal out of sheer nationalism. Probably cause political problems though. :V

Maybe something more evenly directed?

Screw it.

[X] Plan This Land our Land
-[X] Use BSM, FPoR, WHWH, and one leadership excellency.
-[X] Phase 1 Sanctuary defenses:
—[X] Ask any local security forces to establish a perimeter
—[X] Ask local sorcerers to start on what wards they can while more help arrives.
—[X] Station Regina and Sophia here to assist with improving the defense.
—[X] Use Lord of the Land and TTC where necessary to transform the volcano into the beginnings of a fortress mountain.
—-[X] Firing platforms, defensive positions, hostile terrain for those coming in from the portal. A moat full of lava if possible.
—[X] Get on a video call with the Exarchs
—-[X] Request whatever air power can be made available, focusing on surveillance and ground strike capability. Ensure they have perfect weather.
—-[X] Request whatever emplacements, artillery, and heavy weapons units can be diverted to the area. If they have a fast reaction force capable of occupying the area now would be the time to use them.
—-[X] Request they send the best they can get ahold of to take over warding and fortifying the portal.
—-[X] Request they arrange an air power heavy force for deployment earthside to fortify an advance base.
-[X] [Stunt]: As the hologram revealing the Exarch in full session sprung up from the hastily loaned tablet Molly stepped forward, framing herself against the portal and the volcanic rim. Every line of her body spoke of unearthly conviction; this was not the human face of Molly meant to reassure, but the brazen helm of an Empress - a goddess whispered Usum's distant voice - at war.
—[X] "This" Molly began, gesturing to the golden portal, "is Mallko, a spirit of distant lands. Once was worshipped as god by the fallen Inca, patron of law and a protector of the people."
—[X] "In the Outer World I discovered a crisis, a plot against the white council in their war against the bloodthirsty court, that lead me to his door". A fury seeped into her voice then, an echoing hatred that seemed to make the earth shudder beneath it. " More than one thousand years ago the vampires defeated Mallko and his kin. Binding, crippling, and feeding on them past the point of death but never allowing them to fully die. From this stolen power they forged a parasitic nation that has plagued the world of my birth for generations; breaking innocent people in mind, body, and soul for their own sadistic joy"
—[X] "Mallko's jailers deployed him against me, giving the opportunity to free him. Faced with imprisonment, he sought to kill himself lifting the children of his tormentors from monstrosity"
—[X] "I would not have it" Molly grinds out with all the force she can muster, and this time her soul moves with her.
—-[X] The volcano shakes, as cracks weeping molten stone form in the caldera. The iron winds howl with fury, and for a moment the ring of light brightens into a hateful glare cresting the horizon.
—[X] "To come within reach of the wheel I had to bridge this world and that one. I had different hopes, but perhaps it is appropriate that the gap was bridged by one seeking Sanctuary"

Think that's dramatic enough of a tug on the heart strings to get a crusade? :V

Edit: should have actually checked the last page before posting.
 
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Arc 14 Post 19: Wizard's Chess
Wizard's Chess

18th of February 2007 A.D.

Thankfully you have the closest thing to perfect help right here, a version of yourself who can also read your mind. Really I might be a wee bit spoiled when it comes to help ruling, you allow yourself a chuckle at the strangeness of the situation, but no more than that. The one thing you don't have in Sanctuary is contact with the outside world, at least that you didn't have. Regina is already talking about piggybacking off global communication satellites, but that is for the future. For now all you have to manage the fallout are the resources to hand, the communications of the White Council and four wardens whose reactions range from shell-shocked, to uncannily quiet to suspicious as heck. No prizes for who one of the suspicious people is.

No sooner had you returned to the Last Station that Donald Morgan started to pace and wonder aloud at things you would rather he not consider too deeply: "So let me get this straight, you found someone spying on a kid and then you counter-scryed them so thoroughly the whole thrice-be-damned conspiracy is starting to come apart at the seams? People who have been running this since trains were newfangled are running scared and shitting themselves?"

Lady Marguerite gives him what one can only call a death glare at the profanity, though he's obviously used to it, all he does is tip his head sardonically in her direction.

"My power is not subtle," you point out. At least the parts you've seen already and I'd like the Council to keep believing that. "The last time I found a long term plot while out for a coffee..."

"We invaded the Wicked City," Tiffany finishes with a smile that says I-know-you-know however many times the viewer cares to read it.. "I do not think Mikaboshi will soon forget that fact."

"Edinburgh," Lydia interjects. "It is all going to go down in Scotland, if they mean to protect themselves actively the plotters must needs cut us from the throne... or the Senate I guess. This would be easier if you just had a wizard king."

"We tried that once and left it behind before man figured out how to harness horse to chariot," Zadock seems to have recovered a little from the shock of Mallko's sorrow pressing on his mind. "You realize if there are no plotters acting and we charge into the halls of power with a harebrained story and a devil at our left hand that will play to the traitors' hand beautifully yes?"

"It is worth considering what they could and could not do as minutes gather into hours," the illusionist muses, though he stops when he notices Harry looks less than best pleased with this line of reasoning. He motions to the younger wizard to speak with a half-bow that is just short of insult in its depth.

"There's there's a metric crap-ton of things they could do with loyal wizards under their command." He looks down at the table, eyes flashing hither and yon as if already counting. "How many murders do you think we are away from civil war, if they are the right or the wrong ones?"

"More than you imagine young Blackstone." Harry starts at the seemingly random use of a middle name from the elderly warden looking at him though half-lidded eyes. "Most are less combative than you of inclination. Schism is more likely than battle, which is not to say it does not present its own dangers. A wizard's word is not easily turned be it made in wisdom or folly. Speaking of folly I think we should wait for McCoy, without a member of the Senior Council we are little better than conspirators ourselves, no matter the valor wit nor beauty of our source."

Add that to the list of weirdest compliments I ever got.

"What if we tracked down a conspirator away from the center?" Olivia sounds a little daunted to be speaking in such company, but she is nothing if not willing to overcome it. "Get them to sing like a canary and then we will have our proof."

"Ask them and... curse them so they are less likely to resist? Is that something you can do?" she asks Lash who stops as though to think for a moment. In truth you have no doubt she had considered the matter long before Olivia.

"I cannot make mortals less willful, but their wits, yes those I can take, the least wise wizards in all the land they shall be more than they are already for the company they keep."

What does Molly think the group should do?

[] Head to the Hidden Halls at once

[] Wait forMcCoy

[] Try to capture one of the other traitors
-[] Write in location

[] Write in


OOC: Enjoy.
 
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The belief that we could die provided we don't maneuver correctly is why I advocate every single vote when it comes to XP (and significantly more recently AP) spending for Alchemy and sorcery in general as well as trying to generate good Alchemy to buy with sorcery we have a ways of having a long-term Supernatural protections and abilities that do not cost us Essence the thing that allows us to stay alive provided things go to shit.

Things like Invulnerable Skin of bronze (4 extra soak until the next dawn for 45 minutes in a tub texting or watching YouTube) which can be cast in the morning before we even leave to go about our day and then hidden using the transformation charm that we use all the time. The Tree's Many Branches which can give an extra attack per turn for an entire scene no matter how many people are there or how long that scene lasts without needing to spend Essence on individual extra attacks it cost more than spending for the charm but it lasts the entire scene. Hell even things like Awakened Eye of the Dragon could give us bonus stamina to give us bonus Essence could give us a lot and all of that can be made Cheaper by having Pentacle and Scepter which would reduce the difficulty of them as well as the sorcery we already have.

This is before we get into Alchemy and the preparation and keeping of potions on our bodies which we could have Supernatural levels of power in our melee without needing to use our Excellency if we had our potions ready. With the body building potion that we purchased not too long ago we could have a dice pool of 11 on a no Excellency no stunt melee roll. That's before any charms that give us extra dice or lower difficulty and it's already in the realm of the supernatural without spending essence.

Hell that's why I also advocate for higher levels of alchemy so we can have a multiple attack potion that does not cost us Essence because Essence is the soul of our defense as well and bleeding it on both ends is dangerous. I got an Alchemical periapt/Jade talisman past approval back in Arc 12 near post 31 that would effectively allow us to create essence batteries for ourselves but despite people claiming to be worried about our essence amounts neither alchemy 5 or Mana manipulation can win over whatever charm of the day. Exalted are explicitly vulnerable to attrition combat with material foes the fact that we spend essence inefficiently(one attack per turn) to dispense of chaff is a legitimate danger to our health. So you know even people like me who can seem over zealous about Molly's strength at times do harbor concerns and try to ablate them.
 
I don't even think it comes down to outscale it right because unless for some reason the quest to like completely goes off the rails and people are willing to get tens hundreds of thousands of our people killed trying to claim modern Earth countries and kill millions of normal people in the process the conquest thing isn't really going to happen. The thing is we're only 20 to 25 years ahead on Tech curve the difference between 20 and 25 years is great but it's like the difference between faster more accurate intercontinental ballistic missiles not immunity from intercontinental ballistic missiles.

But trying to push into a hell using our own armies invites lord of the land Shenanigans which can get tens of thousands of our people killed regardless of their guns and supernatural abilities. Trying to fight the denarians in broad daylight in a trap they set for us can get us killed. Trying to fight the Yama King so without preparation could get us killed it's just when people say that they are like penultimate threats rather than essentially equals standing opposite of us it paints a picture of being outmatched when the reality we just need to be smart in how we maneuver.

To take in that reality as best we are capable of seeing it and making an effective plan on actualizing on it. Just like every other actor in setting that's why I don't think the denarians would try to strike a portal in the middle of the Brazilian Rainforest that has actual setup defenses in it it doesn't make sense logistically, it doesn't make sense to physically, it doesn't make sense strategically and it has a good chance of getting them killed.

When in actuality setting up a trap in a city or someplace where we cannot bust out the shintai without possibly killing people due to radiation and cold emanating from it is a way better Strat that they could probably develop way quicker than having to try and Pierce a hard point in the middle of nowhere.

I don't think we outscale any of the setting I just think that overestimating your opponents is just as bad as underestimating them because it leads to timidity and overthinking of actions that require thought but also require action rather than thinking about it over and over and over again negotiating hypotheticals within your mind that may not be real.

The second we acquired our hell we became a peer of the old gods and their Realms Olympus, Asgard, Hanan Pacha, Arctis Tor, Avalon pretending like we didn't is actively handicapping ourselves and to be honest giving our Foes way more leeway than they need or deserve.
I don't know where you got that impression, but we're really not only a few decades ahead.

DF magic cannot do magitech at all. It will be centuries before they're allowed to try even if the laws of magic change the right ways. Even if it was possible right now the gulf between making a magic fridge and making full body cyborgs is ridiculously wide.

Mikaboshi was our closest peer in this and he had practical weaponized nano machines.

If canon Dresden Files was 20-25 years from being in the Fivefold Courts of Fate's tech level at this point in the timeline that would put the end of the series nearly at the finish line.

Obviously magic changes things, but look at real life tech progress over that period as a measuring stick. Do you think the difference between technology in 2024 and 2006 is roughly to the same scale as the difference between what DF!2006 and Sanctuary?
 
I don't know where you got that impression, but we're really not only a few decades ahead.

DF magic cannot do magitech at all. It will be centuries before they're allowed to try even if the laws of magic change the right ways. Even if it was possible right now the gulf between making a magic fridge and making full body cyborgs is ridiculously wide.

Mikaboshi was our closest peer in this and he had practical weaponized nano machines.

If canon Dresden Files was 20-25 years from being in the Fivefold Courts of Fate's tech level at this point in the timeline that would put the end of the series nearly at the finish line.

Obviously magic changes things, but look at real life tech progress over that period as a measuring stick. Do you think the difference between technology in 2024 and 2006 is roughly to the same scale as the difference between what DF!2006 and Sanctuary?
You are correct. I for some reason thought that Dragon Paradox had at one point said that we were practically in how our technology worked 20 to 25 years ahead but I cannot find the quote for that so that is actually completely my bad. I do stand by my point though of our technology isn't so far ahead that we are immune from just the dangers of artillery and intercontinental ballistic missiles maybe we would take even less losses than I thought and even more innocents would die in the crossfire but you understood what I meant baring some kind of real steep and precipitous change in the course of this Quest, World Conquest isn't really going to be a thing.
 
I never got the impression that our tech is so much better than Earth technology.

Different, yes.

But in any fight that didn't involve supernatural creatures capable of soaking bullets due to the mechanics, I'd prefer assault rifles over the electro-lasers seen so far.

And in other areas Sanctuary is likely even less developed than earth, for example by the nature and environment of the world I don't see planes to have ever been invented, at most small low-altitude crafts, because flying high gets you killed by iron storms and plasma.
 
Do we still have any of the kids we can use to ask questions? We could try to determine which conspirators would be easiest to abduct without the other conspirators becoming aware? Surely at least one of them is in a situation where other members would expect them to be incommunicado.
 
[X] Try to capture one of the other traitors
-[X] NeverNever, as deep as possible

We have CCG. With it, we can get in and out very quickly. Yes, it's expensive essence-wise, but it gets the job done. And we can get to Sanctuary from anywhere. And those in NeverNever are cut off from other conspirators.
 
I never got the impression that our tech is so much better than Earth technology.

Different, yes.

But in any fight that didn't involve supernatural creatures capable of soaking bullets due to the mechanics, I'd prefer assault rifles over the electro-lasers seen so far.

And in other areas Sanctuary is likely even less developed than earth, for example by the nature and environment of the world I don't see planes to have ever been invented, at most small low-altitude crafts, because flying high gets you killed by iron storms and plasma.

While with Earth's technology those may have been challenges that couldn't be overcome, with alchemical super-materials and enchanted components, then we may simply have aircraft that can cope with those conditions.

Necessity is the mother of invention, after all, and the people of the Five Food Courts have an expanded toolbox to innovate with.
 
No not really.



I don't get where this hype and reverence for dresden files enemies comes from. We saw that a millitia with guns absolutely wreck the formers and they are kicking many factions asses.

We have seen a a titan manhandle winter queen and everyone else and she isn't impressive.


An artillery battalion would body everyone in that war and we have quite literally 100000 thousand times the resources.


Like the Technocracy could conquer this world over a long weekend. Its a low tier urban fantasy world. Like the final armies of light from the wheel of time gap everyone of these guys and they are mostly medieval/early modern.
I mean in fairness we have word of Jim an archangel could blow up a galaxy and mab could cause a world winter. Given it's not dbz power does not equate durability and a lot of fights are basically roshambo rules.
 
While with Earth's technology those may have been challenges that couldn't be overcome, with alchemical super-materials and enchanted components, then we may simply have aircraft that can cope with those conditions.

Necessity is the mother of invention, after all, and the people of the Five Food Courts have an expanded toolbox to innovate with.

They do, but they also never came up with the mechanical lock among other things because they never needed one to name just one thing. For more high tech things the idea of a chemical rocket that just works on its own would never have occurred to anyone from the Five Courts since you could always add just a bit of wind manipulation for the stabilization. Magic is in many places to hold up tech that would not otherwise work which means a lot of easy technological solutions were never found
 
I mean in fairness we have word of Jim an archangel could blow up a galaxy and mab could cause a world winter. Given it's not dbz power does not equate durability and a lot of fights are basically roshambo rules.
Sure they can, i belive those words for sure.

But seriously, his words don't actually translate into his books, he should try more i guess. We saw mab and she is pathetic and she is at least a minute fraction of an angels power so i doubt that too.
 
Sure they can, i belive those words for sure.

But seriously, his words don't actually translate into his books, he should try more i guess. We saw mab and she is pathetic and she is at least a minute fraction of an angels power so i doubt that too.
Meh the God of said universe essentially said they can do things we don't see them do so because that's cosmic shit and Dresden files isn't strictly about the cosmic guys doing cosmic shit it's about the mortals for the most part in a world with said cosmic shit not getting the chance to cosmic all over everybody unless the morties fuck up. There's no debate whether they can do it the author fucking said they can and debating it is dumb.

Edit: also I mean the presence is the creator in dc but that doesn't mean we see him creatoring all over the place that much. Similar principle just cause a character can do something doesn't mean it comes up much like the anti monitor destroying the multiverse they've only done that a hand full of times.
 
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They do, but they also never came up with the mechanical lock among other things because they never needed one to name just one thing. For more high tech things the idea of a chemical rocket that just works on its own would never have occurred to anyone from the Five Courts since you could always add just a bit of wind manipulation for the stabilization. Magic is in many places to hold up tech that would not otherwise work which means a lot of easy technological solutions were never found
How good is the court against protecting from cold since you know super winds surrounding all the cities and magic?
 
[X] Try to capture one of the other traitors
-[X] NeverNever, as deep as possible
 
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54 Total conspirators, 7 Total Aware

Nevernever
13 in sundry other Nevernever realms 0 aware
1 No Name Always Aware, always knows, Almost? Outside.

Material World
7 in the Hidden Halls 2 Aware (One is Peabody)
9 in the in Central and South America 1 Aware
5 in Europe 1 Aware
12 in Africa 1 Aware
6 in Asia 1 Aware
1 in Australia 0 Aware
So where we Dropping I'm down for South America or Africa but I'm not Opposed to Asia.
 
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