Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

At least some of them are, as I understand it.
That doesn't really sound possible baring Author fiat. If the microscopic world is different then the cells humans have would be too. Like mitochondria are theorized to originally come from a specific bacteria before cells implemented them and established a symbiotic relationship. Then again an alien world straight up shouldn't have humans to begin with if we are assuming evolution here. Everything would definitely need to be tested trails yeah..
 
That doesn't really sound possible baring Author fiat. If the microscopic world is different then the cells humans have would be too. Like mitochondria are theorized to originally come from a specific bacteria before cells implemented them and established a symbiotic relationship. Then again an alien world straight up shouldn't have humans to begin with if we are assuming evolution here. Everything would definitely need to be tested trails yeah..
We know that both evolution and creationism are right at the same time. We saw with our own eyes humans evolving all the way from primordial soup, and, at the same time, them being a recreation of humans from previous ages. Our own human stock was both created by Molly at the moment of her Becoming, and seem to be descendants of the First Age preserved through acausal Exaltation and Primordial shenanigans, craddled in Molly's worldsoul.

Logically speaking, our humans should have entirely different ethnicities, gut flora, be exposed to entirely different pathogens, eat entirely different food. And yet they still seem to be able to pass for earthlings.

So, yeah, medical testing in the Sanctuary (which is likely already ongoing with the people we brought in), and then deployment to Earth through drug trafficking infrastructure might be a workable scenario.

EDIT: A lot of our medicine should be low key and not very low key magic. Which is more conceptual and wouldn't care about as many details.
 
Wait what? I don't remember that at all. I'll have to go back.
Here, we used the Crown on the Darwn's Origin of Species. Also, we discovered aliens in the same update. It's a fun one:
Later, way later, you you change the tab over to an electronic version of a book that set the whole world on fire a century and a half ago. How could it not have with the very catchy title On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

"How did humans come to be?"

A stygian hellscape, boiling black water below poisoned skies, deeper than deep, in the dance of amino-acids folding and contorting a spark of the divine, probability bent

...On a wave-wreaked coast crumbling to too sharp edges grey green pond scum clings

...Trees taller than redwoods dripping green shadows

...A Creature not quite fish, not yet not-a-fish gasps for breath in the heady air


Faster and faster the images come.

...Something that looks like a sharp-nosed mouse with deep grey fur and a mouth full of small sharp teeth scrambles onto the forest floor

...Things running, things climbing, eyes always the eyes looking out into the world with a growing glimmer of curiosity, faces shifting into compassion, twisting into malice

...The rain beats down on the savanna, trickles like coiling like serpents through the black earth. Miracles in small things, patterns in the chaos, footprints in the dirt


WHAT WAS WILL BE

The proclamation seems to shove your wandering gaze back in on itself, the colors of your room are once more the only things you can see around you. Even though you had never lost sight of your room during the... nature documentary crossed with LSD, you are going to say, it takes you even longer to acclimate to it. Evolution happened, you knew that already unless God was into playing really elaborate pranks with the fossil record, but there was also an ethereal aspect, spiritual to the time and the place when the Fallen Angel met the Rising Ape. But that last bit... patterns, molds.

A memory jars loose Ages of gold, ages of silver, ages of bronze and a rain of jaguars...

You are at least pretty sure that one comes from your 'coronation' back when you'd been more concerned with getting off the torture tree. That is one google search away from the Aztec myth... one that had the world and humanity recreated again and again by a different god.
 
[X] Appeal to his loyalty to his own people, no matter how good he is as long as he's just another criminal they are going to be exposed to danger, with your help he could become so much more and so could they
-[X] Empathy excellency
 
I really don't see what we need or want Marcone for.

He and people like him are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Empowering him in any way at all is a mistake. We should be destroying him and his organisation and reforming the state to prevent anyone filling that niche.

We should be influencing the Chicago municipal government and building up state capacity, not propping up an illegitimate competitor.

[X] Write in
- [X] Ask for his unconditional surrender and the voluntary dissolution of his organisation by appealing to his desire to continue existing.


We really don't have to play nice here. He can't realistically defend himself against us and we could trivially easily destroy him.
 
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What common person on what common street? Serious question. Define the population you are talking about. Are they supernaturally aware? Are they human or a changeling or a whampire spawn? Are they a wizard-grade talent or a path sorcerer? What is your definition of "common person on the street"? Because Ordo members absolutely know what whampires are and know that they are prey to said whampires.

The common supernatural person on the street, who'd be interacting with the mafia hitmen we'd recruit as PIs. These people don't get a news alert about supernatural happenings.

Our interaction with the white court publicly included what our deal was, that was part of the point and the deal made for us to show up. Anyone who knows we showed up at the court's last party is highly likely to know why we were there.

This is getting off track, because moral evaluations of character aren't the same as in your face actions.


I am claiming that parts of the government don't exist, cannot exist under the current governmental framework in at least certain parts, and those roles can be filled by people like Marcone, and, in the post-masquerade world, those parts can and should be united
What you're doing is actively in conflict with your states goals. If you want a new governmental agency we should be working to get the government to spin one up.

Setting one out in a way hostile to their position will create a cycle of conflict. The mundane parts of the government will not stop targeting Marcone, they cannot be given the information to understand that. Parts of the supernaturally aware government won't be happy either, and that puts all of us in a very precarious position.

You're looking at the end state and not the immediate situation, but you need to navigate this step before you get to the next one.

For example; what do you think Daedalus would do about this even if they for some reason don't kidney stab the library over it?

This is exactly the thing that pushes the buttons of people like that; it's a challenge to the basic concept of their existence familiar enough to understand. One they can be the men in black to while easily apply more regular FBI resources.

The truth of the matter one way or another won't matter once they pull the trigger.

I also think that the mobsters will be an inherently bad fit for the job for a multitude of reasons, but even if they weren't this problem would still remain. Ignoring the system and society that already exists because it's inconvenient doesn't mean they will ignore you.

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More succinctly; this isn't mechanical engineering, it's surgery. Please check blood type before doing a bone marrow transplant.
 
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The common supernatural person on the street, who'd be interacting with the mafia hitmen we'd recruit as PIs.
No one is talking about recruiting Marcone's men as PI just using them as existing infrastructure which they are and unlike the Library of Congress actually have teeth and are willing to be used in such a blunt manner.
These people don't get a news alert about supernatural happenings.
If this is true how are they going to know that we're dealing with Marcone? Is he going to advertise that fact, are we going to?

what do you think Daedalus would do about this even if they for some reason don't kidney stab the library over it?
Are you sure you want to bring up the Daedalus here?
I'm of the thought due to the evidence that we have in story so far that the Library of Congress is a toothless non-enforcement agency and Daedalus is a complete near Bay of Pigs no oversight level special enforcement division.

Which every single appearance paints them as not just outright worse than most criminals in general because they are very least are concerned with not obviously being criminals but incompetent in most ways that matter not just a danger to themselves and others but to their very souls and The Souls of other people because they are meddling in things they cannot know and they refuse to know.

The mundane parts of the government will not stop targeting Marcone, they cannot be given the information to understand that. Parts of the supernaturally aware government won't be happy either, and that puts all of us in a very precarious position.
Marcone has been a "known" mob boss in Chicago for the better part of two decades now and you expect or believe the mundane parts of the government either aren't already subverted or will be able to conjure something quickly. If the government actually had anything that would be able to take him down they would have already moved in. No amount of continuous targeting can help them now because now he has distinct covert and overt Supernatural assistance.
Ignoring the system and society that already exists because it's inconvenient doesn't mean they will ignore you.
Except the Masquerade exists and the fact that the only human voices in the Masquerade as a whole are essentially bound and tied to us (White Council) that is exactly what it means actually we can ignore the system and society as far as we want. As we seemingly have both the personal and political will and power to flex and Bend the system as we wish.

The library only has a voice in an American city at all because of us, Daedalus is a joke, the white council is directly in debt to us.

Converting and making legitimate existing enforcement infrastructure is infinitely a better use of our time than trying to make any of the prior statements other than the white Council of course untrue.
 
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No one is talking about recruiting Marcone's men as PI just using them as existing infrastructure which they are and unlike the Library of Congress actually have teeth and are willing to be used in such a blunt manner
The PI thing was shorthand for the whole investigate and handle minor supernatural stuff.

Which he doesn't have the infrastructure to do on the scale proposed, that's why he wants our support.

The Library has issues, but they did good work in Vegas somehow. Working that end is more fruitful because we won't be setting ourselves up to fail.


Marcone has been a "known" mob boss in Chicago for the better part of two decades now and you expect or believe the mundane parts of the government either aren't already subverted or will be able to conjure something quickly. If the government actually had anything that would be able to take him down they would have already moved in. No amount of continuous targeting can help them now because now he has distinct covert and overt Supernatural assistance.
How long did it take to get Al Capone? The government is a massive beast and different parts react different ways to different situations.

Keeping the Mayor of a major city on your side is a big success, but subverting an entire state means getting into it with people who do not give one shit about that and will hang all of you if they can.

It's also a mistake to evaluate this as winning or losing a fight like it happens all at once and then nothing at all. The fight happening itself is a problem because it's damaging.A compromised immune system gets you killed by making you too weak to fight off other things.

The most likely scenario I see out of this is the negative forces in the government at large getting stronger because we effectively sabotage the ones who put trust in us, resulting in a feed back loop of stupid and alienating decisions. At some point an enemy like Nemesis or the even the Fomori stir shit specifically aimed at setting the whole situation on fire in support of another effort.


Except the Masquerade exists and the fact that the only human voices in the Masquerade as a whole are essentially bound and tied to us (White Council) that is exactly what it means actually we can ignore the system and society as far as we want. As we seemingly have both the personal and political will and power to flex and Bend the system as we wish.

The library only has a voice in an American city at all because of us, Daedalus is a joke, the white council is directly in debt to us.

Converting and making legitimate existing enforcement infrastructure is infinitely a better use of our time than trying to make any of the prior statements other than the white Council of course untrue.
The masquerade is part of the problem, because the whole organization we're talking about is wearing target as a mask.

The Masquerade doesn't mean people won't act on what they think is happening.

This is surgery; raw ability to rearrange organs doesn't equate to doing it being a good idea to do so. We are constrained by the nature of the patient.

There are better ways to do this, many of which we can start this turn when we return to Vegas.
 
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