BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Your post doesn't read like a joke at all, but humor is subjective.I guess should have punctuated my post with ato indicate that I was joking?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Charity makes Michael's armor, likely using True Faith bonuses. And wields a warhammer. If she exalts, she'll pretty much be Molly 2.0 - craft+melee combat. MInus sorcery and possibly minus socials.
At this point of her life, I'm not sure she's a good fit for any of those. Though teenager!Charity exalting as a lunar and taking Syriothrax's heartblood at the moment of her exaltation could have been a fun story. Hell, lore for this quest almost works for this. You just have the lunar shard in Syriothrax's hoard instead of the underwater dragon's belly, and teen!Charity fits a lunar shard to a tee.
I'm beginning to think she is the world's most elaborate Arcane Fate for "World's Best Mom".
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Okay.. I don't see the point in speculating on what it'd be used for if she doesn't have the mentality to make the most of it.
The common person on the street doesn't know that much, and the people who do have that information also have a better idea of the score. It helps that we had Ordo connections first, and that the Jade Dogs are a mixed background type of organization.
For our level of association with Lara to matter in the same way we'd need to be actively expanding their interests; sending demon armies to fight their battles or similar. Instead we attended their party openly and repeatedly announcing that we were there to kill whamps for touching mortals under our protection.
I'd also like to emphasize again that moral equivalency is so completely irrelevant in this context that mentioning it is a waste of page space. Nobody is going to go "well this problem that is actively happening is only about as evil as we suspected she had the potential to be, so it's fine". By that argument we could act like the Yama King Molly is mistaken for and similarly face no consequences.
A newly manifested problem is something that people have to deal with and address rather than a potential fear.
On the political end the fact that it is mundane crime is noteworthy as well. It doesn't matter that it isn't as bad as the other stuff, it's the part that's known to many parties who will not be read in on the rest of it. You're tying the masquerade into a noose and making our mortal affiliates wear it.
Are you claiming that the government is untrustworthy, so we should make a shadow government out of violent criminals solely answerable to Molly - to the degree that she has time to monitor them - instead? Further, that this won't even in the best case scenario set up a serious conflict with the existing system that our enemies could trivially exploit?
The most blindingly obvious consequence of this course of action is negative factions like the current leaders of Daedalus gaining more power and doing the things you deride the Feds as being untrustworthy for.
You aren't building a defense system, you're building a sociopolitical pipe bomb.
What common person on what common street? Serious question. Define the population you are talking about. Are they supernaturally aware? Are they human or a changeling or a whampire spawn? Are they a wizard-grade talent or a path sorcerer? What is your definition of "common person on the street"? Because Ordo members absolutely know what whampires are and know that they are prey to said whampires.
I am claiming that parts of the government don't exist, cannot exist under the current governmental framework in at least certain parts, and those roles can be filled by people like Marcone, and, in the post-masquerade world, those parts can and should be united.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we begin the next month and deal with Marcone.
Huh... Ok. A bit of a shame, since that's a month-long bonus, and would have been a good opportunity to test out and show off our new spell, but this works.
So, I'll assume for now that we don't have any more foci for Marcone (he's not magical at all at this point, so he doesn't generate foci a lot). @DragonParadox would it be possible for Murphy to access Marcone's organized crime casefile (I assume it exists) without arousing suspicion?
In any case, for now, for the moment, I'll vote for
[X] Appeal to his loyalty to his own people, no matter how good he is as long as he's just another criminal they are going to be exposed to danger, with your help he could become so much more and so coould they
We don't want him in confrontation with the government.
I assume that the pride argument is easier.
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[X] Appeal to his loyalty to his own people, no matter how good he is as long as he's just another criminal they are going to be exposed to danger, with your help he could become so much more and so coould they
If we're going to encourage some part of him, then this is the part to do so. Building off of his sense of loyalty to his people would likely be better for him to build off of going forward than his pride. Also, if we're interacting with him going forward than his loyalty is more something that we can cooperate with him on realizing than his pride is. Helping out is something we are willing to go out of our way for, but we're not going to minimize how much we accomplish or help other groups accomplish for the sake of his pride.
If we're going to encourage some part of him, then this is the part to do so. Building off of his sense of loyalty to his people would likely be better for him to build off of going forward than his pride. Also, if we're interacting with him going forward than his loyalty is more something that we can cooperate with him on realizing than his pride is. Helping out is something we are willing to go out of our way for, but we're not going to minimize how much we accomplish or help other groups accomplish for the sake of his pride.
[X] Appeal to his loyalty to his own people, no matter how good he is as long as he's just another criminal they are going to be exposed to danger, with your help he could become so much more and so could they
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Baron of Chicago, he hasn't officially achieved that yet, right? I know that we disrupted how he would have gotten it in canon. He didn't manage something offscreen, right? He's still just a guy with a goal?
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While I think appealing to his loyalty to his own people is the best of the currently available options, I think it's going to need to be paired with some practicality.
How would Marcone's reformed organization earn its income? Are we giving him a budget, or some independent source of money? Cause if he can't continue to provide for his subordinates, then any appeal to their best interests is worthless.
How would Marcone's reformed organization earn its income? Are we giving him a budget, or some independent source of money? Cause if he can't continue to provide for his subordinates, then any appeal to their best interests is worthless.