Especially since we:
1) seems to be in their side.
2) demonstrated thoroughly several times what poking us leads to, and there are almost no survivors (Broken seeker… and that's about it)
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Especially since we:
1) seems to be in their side.
2) demonstrated thoroughly several times what poking us leads to, and there are almost no survivors (Broken seeker… and that's about it)
In terms of equipment, a prodigy sniper rifle should be considered. Something like this:
Prodigy sniper railgun "Glimpse of the Future" 4 dot rating (3 base + 1 for being used by non-exalts)
Damage 11 levels (9 base + 1 prodigy + 1 from being crafted from prima metallum which allows for it to be built to higher tolerances)
Range 600
Ammo 5 + 5 mana charges for teleportation
Lethal or aggravated damage depending on the ammunition loaded
Silenced (because railgun, no explosions)
+2 Accuracy Bonus from the bound machine spirit
Serves as a focus for clairvoyance and psychoportation. After attunement the rifle channels the magic of the user. This allows the scope to see through walls and other obstacles using clairvoyance score of the user, and the bullets to be teleported from the muzzle in the direction of the shot up to 10 times the maximum distance of user's teleportation distance but no father than the rifle range. The bullets cannot teleport directly into the target, but can rematerialize immediately outside their armor, thus preventing them from dodging unless they dodged prior to the bullet exiting the gun's muzzle. Bullet teleportation requires expenditure of a stored mana charge. Mana charges can be refilled by user, or naturally at 1 charge per day (or faster, if in a dragon nest)
@DragonParadox would something like this be allowed? A sniper rifle-wand that can see through walls using/boosting user's clairvoyance and can teleport bullets. The distance is larger than the user can teleport, but that's because bullets are smaller and lighter than a person is. It would allow a sniper to hide inside a building / behind cover and shoot, shoot, shoot, with anyone not having danger sense / precognition not being able to dodge, only soak. I am unsure how to balance it. Or would this be corruptive due to Law Violation principle of using magic to kill?
Prodigy sniper railgun "Glimpse of the Future" 4 dot rating (3 base + 1 for being used by non-exalts)
Damage 11 levels (9 base + 1 prodigy + 1 from being crafted from prima metallum which allows for it to be built to higher tolerances)
Range 600
Ammo 5 + 5 mana charges for teleportation
Lethal or aggravated damage depending on the ammunition loaded
Silenced (because railgun, no explosions)
+2 Accuracy Bonus from the bound machine spirit
Serves as a focus for clairvoyance and psychoportation. After attunement the rifle channels the magic of the user. This allows the scope to see through walls and other obstacles using clairvoyance score of the user, and the bullets to be teleported from the muzzle in the direction of the shot up to 10 times the maximum distance of user's teleportation distance but no father than the rifle range. The bullets cannot teleport directly into the target, but can rematerialize immediately outside their armor, thus preventing them from dodging unless they dodged prior to the bullet exiting the gun's muzzle. Bullet teleportation requires expenditure of a stored mana charge. Mana charges can be refilled by user, or naturally at 1 charge per day (or faster, if in a dragon nest)
@DragonParadox would something like this be allowed? A sniper rifle-wand that can see through walls using/boosting user's clairvoyance and can teleport bullets. The distance is larger than the user can teleport, but that's because bullets are smaller and lighter than a person is. It would allow a sniper to hide inside a building / behind cover and shoot, shoot, shoot, with anyone not having danger sense / precognition not being able to dodge, only soak. I am unsure how to balance it. Or would this be corruptive due to Law Violation principle of using magic to kill?
- Location
- Germany
A bit Expression and subterfuge would be nice for the social aspects.
Performance must be specific by the way, meaning Performance (Dance) or something like that.
@Yog is there any way I can convince you to Shuffle some of those dots from larceny and occult into expression and empathy just so this college student dancer isn't a complete social inept. There's even specialization reasons why between Tiffany and us there's no reason for her to have a occult score of four never mind the fact that she didn't like her gift to begin with and she went for military training. Larceny she has no reason to have that at all because larceny despite its name is the essentially crime attribute unless she has a background in dealing with criminal Enterprises there's no reason for her to have that or even developed it she can steal whatever she wants because she has the ability to make herself unnoticeable at will. But unless she has fences and schemes in built necessary to disperse those goods that she almost certainly doesn't have to steal there's no reason for her to have dots and larceny.
Intrusion, anyone who can feel minds can also feel the magic shield that keeps them from reaching in
Partly, the scope works fine, the teleporting bullets do not since teleporting something strips it of kinetic force in relation to the planet, which yes does mean it is harder to teleport something that is going fast, there is a reason wizards just use forces for their defense.
She already has 2 dots of Empathy. With 3 dots of either appearance or Charisma, that's 5 dice, which isn't bad. If she is using Wits for social interaction, which, I think, should be doable in some cases, that's 7 dice, which is good.
Larceny 2 is the leftover from 11 chargen points spent in the skills category. It can only be shifted to other skills category abilities, like Etiquette 2. Larceny also encompasses sleight of hand and is appropriate for street magicians. Which she is not, but this is a bit of minmaxing here on my part in order to make her a more effective inflitration specialist.
Occult 3 is also from chargen, so those three dots can only be shifted to other knowledges. Occult 4 costs 6 XP, and can be redistributed. If we take Expression 2, which is appropriate for her, I think, we are left with 1 leftover XP, which I am unsure what to use on. Bank it? In principle, I am ok with this.
Or we buy 1 dot in expression and 1 in subterfuge. Ok, that sounds logical.
I have shifted Occult 4 to Expression 1, Subterfuge 1.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Second this. I can understand the Occult part but not Larceny. She is a sniper, not a thief.
I do not mind dropping Larceny for a few social dots.
Especially since Manipulation is 1 and you usually roll that with Larceny.
Larceny is also sleight of hand, safe cracking, breaking and entering. Olivia is a combat sniper, but I also built her as an infiltrator, which means breaking and entering. And teleportation takes energy and might be detectable. And for most lock picking and similar tasks I expect the roll to be dex + larceny.
Even as a sniper finding a proper spot to setup in urban environment likely requires breaking and entering.
So, Larceny is very useful for Olivia's build. More than etiquette.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I like @uju32's distribution of skills much better than @Yog's. Olivia feels more like an actual person, one who has developed a set of skills that make sense for her experiences in life so far, including the training she's received in the FFCF. Yog, your version of Olivia feels like she was built from scratch to be exactly what you intend for her to be, but with little regard for her already established background and character.
It's really off putting, to be honest. Min-max powers, merits, flaws, and special abilities, not the basic building blocks of a person's life and personality.
That said, I like the rest of Yog's build much more than uju32's. It's feels more concise and straight forward, with less moving parts to keep track of.
It's difficult to decide on one or the other when there are aspects of each which I really don't like, but for now I'm leaning toward uju32 simply because base Olivia, before supernatural shit is taken into account, still feels like the character we've seen up to this point.
[X] uju32
It's really off putting, to be honest. Min-max powers, merits, flaws, and special abilities, not the basic building blocks of a person's life and personality.
That said, I like the rest of Yog's build much more than uju32's. It's feels more concise and straight forward, with less moving parts to keep track of.
It's difficult to decide on one or the other when there are aspects of each which I really don't like, but for now I'm leaning toward uju32 simply because base Olivia, before supernatural shit is taken into account, still feels like the character we've seen up to this point.
[X] uju32
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[X] Yog
Prefer the build but still some problems with it as it feels like we are running into the whole "getting demon powers ate my ability to do X" like I would expect her to have dots in some other fields like drive etc as she is a human living in modern times.
Prefer the build but still some problems with it as it feels like we are running into the whole "getting demon powers ate my ability to do X" like I would expect her to have dots in some other fields like drive etc as she is a human living in modern times.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
I'm not entirely sure that she can afford to be unoptimized at the moment. Even to the detriment of roleplay. If she is not optimized, then in fact she most likely will not participate in the story and the point of generating Olivia is lost. I'm not saying that you need to completely discard this angle. But my opinion is that optimization is strongly more important to her role as a member of the Circle.
Yog could have taken a couple of things off and reflected her skills better and still been left with the core
If she were just a very competent specialist like the agents of our world or a minion like Isabella, then I wouldn't mind even completely going into the role-playing build. But GM's comment makes me think Olivia might be more than that.
Yog could have taken a couple of things off and reflected her skills better and still been left with the core
If she were just a very competent specialist like the agents of our world or a minion like Isabella, then I wouldn't mind even completely going into the role-playing build. But GM's comment makes me think Olivia might be more than that.
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I agree. I honestly do. I tried to preserve the core of her "self" (that is who she is outside of combat) with performance, justifying to myself that IDU is accentuating her core traits, putting them into focus, strengthening them. So, she went from probably Performance 2 to Performance 5. She got smarter - Wits 5 is the limit of human intelligence, once in several generation genius, I remind you. Some things, like drive, fell through, and IC this can be justified as her adjusting to new body reflexes.
I could probably take one point off Performance to put it into Drive or Streetwise. If people think it really hurts the "feel" of the build. I am not too attached to that, and with Artistically gifted merit, she still gets superhuman performance probably.
Maybe remove one point from Larceny and put it into Drive to represent her having driver's license? We could buy into Larceny later.
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- Dallas Texas
I think that is forgetting what 1-5 dots are to mortals, 5 is peak human grandmaster, 3 is what's expected of a talented college student. Use that XP to throw 1 dot into a number of things she should have at least 1 in, like drive, keep high firearms and stealth as her demon-granted skills and just accept more 4's and 3's on the stat sheet for the time being I would say.
[X] Yog
Still prefer the build overall though.
For drawbacks, as much as it's uncomfortable, I think we are going to have to lean on MiS a bit and choose some things that are mildly damaging to herself, if survivable.As said, we can revoke this power if we need to.
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Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
There is a lack of some things that she may have in her life history. But low or zero skills are not the same as zero attributes. Most people live quietly without streetwise. And so on for all abilities. The problem now is rather the dissonance between Olivia and the stats. In my opinion, one point in driving would be enough. Two if she learned to drive professionally. And so with all abilities.
Occult dots can only be moved in the knowledges category. So, Academics, Finances, Law, etc. It makes sense for Olivia to have Academics (humanities' high school level as she is a student, and not a university graduate yet).
We have cyberdevils for pretty much all vehicles, so there's no real need for drive.
She has dots at social. She has 2 dots at empathy. 2 dots is described like this:
Given that her psychic invisibility used to be pretty much uncontrolled, she should be bad at socials. Or at least not superb.
She has Charisma 3, Empathy 2. That's 5 dice, exactly average for a human.
As to performance - I want our gifts to be more than just "war unending". So, give her performance 5. Let her shine.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
More than 1 point in Larceny feels excessive to me, and even that point is reaching. Olivia hasn't been abusing her power for years to become a thief, safe-cracker, or whatever else falls into that category. She's tried to avoid notice from shit that wants to eat or murder her while living her life as normally as possible. If she's got 1 point in it, that would be from FFCF training.
You have 4 points in Firearms, which is great and makes sense, but nothing in Brawl or Melee, which does not make sense. She went to the FFCF to learn how to fight, and that includes more than just shooting shit.
She's a competitive dancer, studying that in school (and on a scholarship for it, I think?), so a high Performance makes sense, but no Athletics? That makes no sense at all, dude. Sure, she's not an Olympian, but she should have a couple points in it at a minimum, even before FFCF training or IDU power up. Expression is too low as well. She's not a dancing robot, after all, and a lot of her craft is conveying emotion through her movements and bearing.
You could trim points out of Alertness, Awareness, Larceny, Stealth, and Performance to make her a well-rounded, less artificial seeming character. Put some points into Drive, Brawl, Etiquette, Expression, Streetwise, and Subterfuge. That might mean she isn't min-maxed into a caricature of herself for extreme power, but that's an acceptable trade-off for her to be a real character instead.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
At this point, we should rather draw up a worksheet and discuss what she might have had. For example, I'm not sure that she fought often in her life to deserve even one dot of brawl. On the other hand, her expression may well be 2-3 dots.But etiquette...I don't even know. It's a question of how broadly we understand this. But in my opinion it is quite possible 0-1.She may have a point in computers. This is quite possible for a non-specialist.
Please note that I do not take into account her training. After her training, she could have anything related to self-defense at a minimum. It all depends on the focus where she studied. Although I think melee should go hand in hand with better physical stats
Please note that I do not take into account her training. After her training, she could have anything related to self-defense at a minimum. It all depends on the focus where she studied. Although I think melee should go hand in hand with better physical stats
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I can agree with Larceny, maybe even with Brawl, but not much else. Athletics is sports. For dancing and dance-related activities she can roll Performance.
And, again, I strongly feel that a generalized build would just make her uncompetitive. A kind reminder - she's going to level up slower than we do. Because we are not going to invest additional XP into her beyond 1/4th of Molly's. We almost don't even do that with Lydia who is an exalt. I have no expectation for her to receive many XP during the game.
Because of this, she needs to be specialized from the word go. Otherwise, she'll fall by wayside.
Anyway, I shifted one point of Larceny to drive for roleplaying reasons. I don't think she should have Streetwise. Melee / Brawl can be gotten in the course of the play as she learns martial arts, probably.