You can, just be aware that you cannot pay fairies with dollars, it had to be paid in something relatively unique like a Speldor.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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You can, just be aware that you cannot pay fairies with dollars, it had to be paid in something relatively unique like a Speldor.
Well, yes, she was explicitly designed to do exactly that.
Eh, while the intent is there, the lore can be easily interpreted otherwise. In fact, it can be argued that the degradation of reality that now allows true resurrections and time travel makes it impossible for Incarna and at least some of the Yozi (Oramus) not to come back. Is it theoretically possible for some of them to self-resurrect, dodge perfectly their death, skip Ages and appear in this new world? If so, then they'd return at some point.
Also, an important thought: if there are other non-infernal and non-abyssal exaltations out there, then controlled return of exalts becomes much more possible. And I still say that Harry is very likely destined to be a sidereal.
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Luna exists in the WoD, only as a relativly normal moon-goddess, not as the god-monster that can rip the greatest Unshaped to shreds and is generally completl, unpredictable and almost unstoppable.
Digging up artifacts for power is always on the agenda.
Speculation. The one exaltation we know about wasn't bound by anything that was particularly influenced by the stars being right. None of the infernal ones really are.
They'd be spoilers even if they had all hopped universes to bother someone else. I'm sure they'll be relevant eventually, but I don't think they're exactly straining at the gate yet.
We've covered the issues likely to come up IC, but I think it's worth considering the meta level here too.
More exalts showing up is kind of the sign that the escalation train is going off the rails. Messing with the Dresden Files as an exalt is a very interesting aspect to the quest, and the more exalts are around the less we'll be doing that and the more we'll be dealing with exalt shenanigans with a DF flavored backdrop.
Personally I'd rather sword fight Blampires elders and cheat rigorously at the Oblivion War than fight random Abyssals and try stopping Sidreals from spilling their spaghetti trying to get
Some aspects of the setting can keep up, but it requires increasing levels of bullshit to manage and still draws us away from engaging with anything else.
Are we going to have time to help the paranet in between Lunar tantrums at the "confining social indoctrination" of pants and fencing with that asshole who also picked the crown of eyes and went to intern with the Denarians? Maybe before we go herd glorious golden cats at the Essence Anonymous* meetings Yog's been talking about?
Think we can telecommute to Harvard or run that uplift program if someone else gets Brigid's heir and tries CCG-ing to the outside? Or picks up crafting and actually starts releasing mind plagues?
Some of that stuff will be interesting to deal with, but it feels like we're finally getting our shit together enough to proactively do things instead of react to them and diving into the end zone will keep us from really doing anything with that.
* You get a coin for every year you go without eating someone's soul and everything.
OK then new plan
[] Plan Negotiations
-[] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
--[] While you have chosen to forgo them as your reward for your assistance the magical lore of Mortals left behind in the Summer Court still exists within your grasp. In exchange for two still Mighty defenses but lesser than that of the lady's (2 dot) or one sword or spear equal to the lady's protection (3 dot) for the Tomes.
@DragonParadox does this look okay I think the pricing is kind of right for the 10 dots of lore for the four or three dots of Splendor. Though the wording may be a bit presumptuous on my part.
[] Plan Negotiations
-[] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
--[] While you have chosen to forgo them as your reward for your assistance the magical lore of Mortals left behind in the Summer Court still exists within your grasp. In exchange for two still Mighty defenses but lesser than that of the lady's (2 dot) or one sword or spear equal to the lady's protection (3 dot) for the Tomes.
@DragonParadox does this look okay I think the pricing is kind of right for the 10 dots of lore for the four or three dots of Splendor. Though the wording may be a bit presumptuous on my part.
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That is workable, though perhaps somewhat politically fraught for empowering Summer so much. Those gifts are not just good against Nemesis after all, they could be used against the Winter Court as well.
We really need to stop pre-committing so much of our limited AP to crafting. Not only don't we have the AP for it, we can't even spend as much time in the FFCF (where our workshop is) as people want us to waste there crafting.
Wouldn't 2 2 dots be overpaying by a lot? The most important part of Lily's talisman is mental influence and possession ward, and we're currently the only game in town for these.
Moreover, another couple of units fill out the ranks of the Queens, or the lower queens and the knight if mother summer doesn't want one, so they have inordinate value to the fey compared to every subsequent bargain. That's the most critical weak point for the court to cover.
The service of making the core leadership of the court immune to nemesis' direct attentions is the sort of priceless Mab would stack bodies high enough to have a statistically significant impact on global population to get*. Giving them to Titania for a 10 cumulative dots of books on linear magic is like trading weapons grade plutonium for glass beads.
The Archive already made out like a bandit because we didn't negotiate, I'd rather not screw ourselves again if we're selling more.
* Based on how removing one infection in a way that offers no ongoing protection got us 2 scorched earth tier favors and cleared the existing red Winter had on the books for us.
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Being relatively easy for us to make has very little impact on the value of what we're selling. Price is set by what it's worth to the buyer.
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To be frank I needed to put a time limit on that like in the next couple of months or years or something but I was more concerned with writing it down and making sure it was okay.
That is true but I was actually gauging the price off of what we were actually getting but I realized now that that is cumulative because when I set the prices it was against God tier summoning and repelling, become the silence of death enchanting and become a magical Nexus of the world as magic flows through you as a ley line mana manipulation. So what were you thinking like one two dot or one three Dot for the books?
Yup.
However, the Luna and Sol in WoD are not the Luna and Sol of Creation.
They only share the same name, thats all.
I dont agree.
Even the potential of their return distorts the setting.
I happen to agree with @BronzeTongue that its not remotely viable.
I will remind you that the Solar Host got in an internal war that was so vicious that they broke time, resulting in the Time of Cascading Years. And these were people who knew each other, many of whom were fellow veterans of the Primordial War. The idea that we can wrangle several hundred mortals of very different life experiences seems....optimistic.
And no, I dont think Dresden is going to be a Sidereal.
Frankly, I dont expect to see a Sidereal in this game.
Thats where Molly's Exaltation came from.
Exaltations probably count as artifacts anyway.
Not in the Dresden Files.
There are explicit celestial cycles in play that affect events in this setting. Everyone who is a major player has been aware about this for hundreds of years.
All true.
However, we dont get to control the pacing though; as evidenced by Sanya's Interlude, the world keeps moving despite our choices or lack of them.
Pretending that stuff doesnt exist wont prevent it from happening.
^^^
Also worth noting:
Summer is offering books and notes of human mages and wizards long gone. Who else has access to magic books and notes about human magic? Human mages. This is all stuff you should be able to find in human society.
This is the point where you take a look around the human magical marketplace and at brokers in occult shit with six or seven figures worth of cash to see whats for sale.
Or trade with the Special Collections Department of the Library of Congress. See what the Church has.
Only when you have exhausted all those cheaper sources should you start talking about bargaining with the Fae for human lore. Buying this from Summer is the equivalent of paying unnecessary markups for designer jeans and Fiji water.
It is worth keeping in mind Summer is not Winter, their main purpose is not fighting outsiders. The reason Lilly is paying as much as she is for this is not the possession immunity, its' the relief from the pressure of her mantle. Also worth noting that books that cover magic to grand-master level, even if it is not wizard magic are quite rare and jealously guarded.
Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow as we see what the last Nemesis host was up to.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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[X] A Glimpse of Silver
If we want magic tomes of arcane lore we just have to find one and use the crown to find the best example of it.
If we want magic tomes of arcane lore we just have to find one and use the crown to find the best example of it.
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Despite starting as Molly Carpenter a witch great potential with 5 occult we possess exactly two ancient sorcery spells and no finished paths. While you're suggestion makes sense if we were ever going to do that we would have done it a while ago. No one wants to spend the AP to actually look for or even craft things. So please at least vote for negotiations with alterations because if we don't have a discount there's almost no way we're ever going to get any Sorcery spells no one wants to go out of their way to do it.
We weren't really trying to make a profit on Lily's, making it was a mission of mercy we have to take payment for because fey. She's also dealing in her own name as Lady rather than as the full head of state that is Titania, so she couldn't afford more if we wanted to be an asshole about it.
Also worth noting that the books aren't an instant power up or anything. Don't judge them based on what being a 5 dot sorcerer of X, judge them on having the option to spend AP on training for it without bothering Bob.
I think a 2 dot for 10 dots of training we probably won't have time to do anytime soon is pretty generous
Yeah, and yet they haven't found more despite doing so the since it was first found.
That's nonsense. The stars do influence some stuff, but they don't run everything and prophecy doesn't seem to play a huge roll in events. High level people get surprised by things all the time.
To give one example, Mab had absolute control of Molly's exaltation or as near to it as she could ever get for a significant period of time.
By extension so did Mother Winter, one of the biggest players in the setting. She could have arranged to deploy it to her advantage if either of them had any idea this was possible at any point in the last few millennia. So too could the Yama kings who used it before them.
Uriel was the closest, and he came to personally apologize because he did not and could not have known one of the most significant things about what appears to have been the most easily accessible exaltation in Creation.
Forcing the issue will speed it up though, and really as a quest if we're doing something engaging already why not? There's plenty of wiggle room to justify one direction or another.
True, but they also have three of the most beloved and influential members of the court locked in the basement with lethal soul parasites, with the last one on the run as Nemesis drags her away from safety to use up and dispose of while she watches helplessly from inside her own head. This coming on the heels of Aurora's Nemesis fueled death.Then there's everything with Maeve.
Both Ladies being seized by nemesis within a few years of each other? That should be a stone cold moment of terror for nearly every fey who learns of it. As it stands they've suffered more significant damage among their prominent members than Winter has in these last round of attacks.
Clearly their attention being turned away from the Outside doesn't mean it's attention is off of them.
Not that I'm saying we should exploit them for all they're worth, but we're talking about giving them multiple tailor made artifacts to solve their immediate problems that would also cause us political blowback from unbalancing the power dynamic of the courts. Trading that for what sounds like a dip into Titania's souvenirs from messing with sorcerers over the years seems like getting ripped off.
It's like getting offered a few million dollars for Excalibur and Caliburn. That's a nice amount of money, but we're not exactly talking about beach house in Florida here. Especially if people are going to give us crap about letting our customer have both of them.
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[X] Plan Cheaper Negotiations
-[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
--[X] While you have chosen to forgo them as your reward for your assistance the magical lore of Mortals left behind in the Summer Court still exists within your grasp. In exchange for one still Mighty defenses but lesser than that of the lady's (2 dot) or one sword or spear equal to the defense offered (2 dot) for the Tomes. To be handed off or delivered with the new year.
@Goldfish @Yzarc @RefugeInAbsrdity @Acolyte
I know you guys have already voted but you are already outvoted and to be frank they're right to check out the possible lunar lead. This is an option so we can still get those books when we have AP time available because there's no way Dresden has grandmaster level books and there's no way he's going to just let Bob teach us grand Master Level summoning or enchanting or Mana manipulation. Just having those books in our possession grants us new options and opportunities for ourselves and our allies even if painfully I have to admit we might not get around to them ourselves for a while.
-[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
--[X] While you have chosen to forgo them as your reward for your assistance the magical lore of Mortals left behind in the Summer Court still exists within your grasp. In exchange for one still Mighty defenses but lesser than that of the lady's (2 dot) or one sword or spear equal to the defense offered (2 dot) for the Tomes. To be handed off or delivered with the new year.
@Goldfish @Yzarc @RefugeInAbsrdity @Acolyte
I know you guys have already voted but you are already outvoted and to be frank they're right to check out the possible lunar lead. This is an option so we can still get those books when we have AP time available because there's no way Dresden has grandmaster level books and there's no way he's going to just let Bob teach us grand Master Level summoning or enchanting or Mana manipulation. Just having those books in our possession grants us new options and opportunities for ourselves and our allies even if painfully I have to admit we might not get around to them ourselves for a while.
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I mean the courts were still founded likely with anti-outsider ideology in the first place. But, likely had the forethought that one side needs to police the side that will do whatever they think is necessary for said ideology.
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So @DragonParadox I was curious can lydia get like a discount towards academics, occult, and maybe law since she has her father in her head who can obviously teach her those things on her own time? Which narratively he should be doing anyways like the same way lessons can let us learn stuff.
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You know that we can offer the same exchange deal for Winter and receive much more than that (magic books) because, as DP said, they are explicitly in accordance with the purpose for which they were created for, right? In addition, we have an easier time negotiating with them because they are creatures of darkness.
I know that and that makes complete and total sense but it comes down to like I was saying to fictionfan the AP do you think you can convince the rest of the people who vote for these things to instead of go on an adventure or fulfill an obligation to go negotiate for some magic books from winter and I just think the answer is no every time anything that isn't Adventure or obligation committed shows up it never gets picked so I want to get it here so we actually at least have it as an option to spend AP on because if we have to spend AP just to get the option there's no chance.
@DragonParadox do we get the reasoning why the moon thing was offered as a payment option as part of the deal? What I mean is that while OOC we are speculating about Lunars, Luna, and whatever else, IC to Molly this is not relevant - it's just one more buried treasure / sealed monster in a can. Does she get an explanation for why fae queens thought this would be important to her?
While I would like to spend the whole month in the forge, I don't think we can afford it. We have on our schedule: 3 splendors for Archive, and 3 splendors for ourselves and Lydia. We are yet to even start proper magical martial arts training from our courts, and we also need to fit in work to start the manse project. Or at least I very much want the manse project. In march (I think) we have the convention we promised to go to with Rosie. There's Harvard stuff that we'll have to devote AP to if we want to have any benefit from this. Our time is at such a premium that, XP permitting, I think we should be buying Splintered Gale Incarnation soon.
It is a thing that Lilly thinks will have great worth to Molly in particular. How much you trust her judgement is up to you guys. She cannot really say more without reducing the value of the gift.
She gets to add her Mentor dots to certain rolls yes.
That's... interesting. Interesting enough that I think we should track her birth certificate (or a picture of her from when she was human - she was a model, right?) in order to use as a focus for the question on why she thinks so.
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I figure as part of getting lessons she might just get the skills passively you know like how harry had a wizards education.