Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We have too many pressures on both our AP and XP to make use of the tomes for ourself. Although I suppose that they would be a great that to give to our kingdom.

So if instead of thinking about how the tomes can help us, but instead our kingdom which ones should we pick?
The Warding tomes could help everyone we care about, our allies, holdings, etc.
 
[X] Tomes of Ancient Wisdom: Many are the magicians, wise and foolish both who have tarried on the green hills of ever summer, some to leave behind tomes and scrolls, riddles and and recitations. Books comprising a total of Ten (10) dots in any of the following Numia
-[X] Mana Manipulation (5 dots)
-[X] Summoning, Binding, and Warding (5 dots)
 
[X] Tomes of Ancient Wisdom: Many are the magicians, wise and foolish both who have tarried on the green hills of ever summer, some to leave behind tomes and scrolls, riddles and and recitations. Books comprising a total of Ten (10) dots in any of the following Numia
-[X] Enchantment (5 dots)
-[X] Summoning, Binding, and Warding (5 dots)



Enchantment mass production and wardings safe spaces if massively massively crucial for us.

Seriously i can't stress this enough we can make a buildings into fortress
 
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you

We need more circle mates and a lunar would massively increase our options. And if your going for books get 6 dots the legendary level.
 
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you
 
We need more circle mates and a lunar would massively increase our options. And if your going for books get 6 dots the legendary level.
6 dots has been ruled out

You get a total of 10 dots. Each numia can only be advanced to 5 so you can choose two with 5 dots; three with 3 dots each and a fourth with 1 etc...

You get books up to X dots, that is somewhat equivalent of having a teacher of that level, not just for you, but for everyone else you may hand them to. I say somewhat since learning a magical art from books is harder and more risky for someone who is a complete novice. But for an infernal exalt with Occult 5 and int 4 as well as the ability to tank a tank barrage such things are more manageable.
 
When Silence is Golden​
7th of January 2007 A.D.
COMMENTARY
Okay, that seems to have gone about as well as we can have hoped for.
Just have to exorcise the three in custody. And worry about Ellawyn who is in the wind; Nemesis has a reputation for attempting to kill and destroy people and records that know about it.

Talhearn is a Welsh poet.
Lydia might have heard of him. Or her father should. Something to ask, because Im intrigued at how an apparent mortal may have have run into this lore, and been able to replicate it for audiences.

If this was Creation, I'd be looking for the teacup ninja brigade; seems like their kind of shenanigans. But here, it might just be Mysterious Ways again.


Mystery Box is always irresistible IMO.
We can trade for magic texts and tomes, or loot them from enemies. We have access to both Lash and Bob, who have aptitudes in the field.But its not really likely that we can trade for unique shit like this.

And whether its referring to the potential for a Lunar out there, or some other relic of Creation that Was, we are kinda obliged to go look before it falls into the hands of others.
A stitch in time saves nine.


I couldn't care less about finding other Exalts, if that's even what the song points toward.
You should.

Fresh Exaltations and Exalts, even new Celestial Exalts, can be touched in this universe; our Exaltation spent centuries as a weapon of two separate Yama Kings, and ExWoD has an entire chapter in the back about what happens if a Yama King or similar entity talks an Exalt into a Pact like the one that Lydia just made with Lash.

A geased Exalt working for the opposition would suck.

Assuming its an Exaltation that is.
It might simply be some other treasure from Before, which would be even worse; Exaltations have limits to how far they can be perverted from their purpose, but random magic shit does not.

Now that its been established that something of this nature apparently exists here, we are kinda obliged to investigate.
Or expect it to come around to bite us in the ass at the most inopportune moment, because thats how narrative inevitability works. The rest of the setting moves on, even if we refuse to engage.
 
Last edited:
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
 
VOTE
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you


RATIONALE
Mystery Box is mystery box.
Molly's Urge is Curiosity and her Occult is 5. I dont really see how she would be able to resist the mystery of this IC.
And this is a flashing narrative plot thread.

We really might want to get on this before a Yama King does. Or Nemesis for that matter; we dont know how long its been possessing Sidhe nobility, but given that its possessed Mab's second in command, the previous Summer Lady and the current Winter Lady in the last ten years, I suspect that its got its hands on a fair selection of internal Fae Court lore and secrets.

Its like the nuclear arms race; you cant just decide not to play without handing your opposition a potentially overwhelming advantage.
 
Last edited:
Null, not a sound, not even a word in the mind, more the feeling of grabbing at a banister in the dark and finding it not there at all, but rather than displeasure at the feeling you realize then, under the eyes of Queen, Lady and Seer that you had found a trick to play with the crown of eyes you bear, a game of might-have-beens. When bent upon improper focus it will be silent, but silence itself can be an answer and one that does not cast a thread into the ether for other eyes to see.
Wait. What?

How is this an improper question for the focus?

If we were talking with Harry about Ben the bloodsucker, vampire extraordinaire, and asked the question "what's Ben doing right now?" wouldn't we get an answer despite the fact that he's not present? The conversation defining the scene would be about him and serve as the foci for the question.

That doesn't seem more disconnected than using a picture to ask about someone, a website about aliens to find all life in the physical universe*, or reading Mab's mind using a cat she was briefly in the same room as, all of which we've done before.

We're talking with two thirds of the queens of Summer about a creature we're hunting together that's subverted their vassals and recently directly fought with one them. The equivalent of "Where is the guy we're talking about?" doesn't seem out of line.

* This example is nearly a one-to-one match. Written discussion about finding aliens -> find all aliens, verbal discussion on hunting nemesis -> finding nemesis.
 
If we were talking with Harry about Ben the bloodsucker, vampire extraordinaire, and asked the question "what's Ben doing right now?" wouldn't we get an answer despite the fact that he's not present? The conversation defining the scene would be about him and serve as the foci for the question.

No, otherwise you could bring up the devil and know what Lucifer is thinking of right now, then bring him up again next scene and do the same thing. You need to have something of the target in a scene to ask. A picture requires you to get some material thing, mentions are free.
 
[] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you.
Well this is going to be fun. I personally have negative interest in dealing with more exalts running around, but the shiny mystery box never loses.

[X] Tomes of Ancient Wisdom: Many are the magicians, wise and foolish both who have tarried on the green hills of ever summer, some to leave behind tomes and scrolls, riddles and and recitations. Books comprising a total of Ten (10) dots in any of the following Numia
-[X] Mana Manipulation (5 dots)
-[X] Summoning, Binding, and Warding (5 dots)

[X] Tomes of Ancient Wisdom: Many are the magicians, wise and foolish both who have tarried on the green hills of ever summer, some to leave behind tomes and scrolls, riddles and and recitations. Books comprising a total of Ten (10) dots in any of the following Numia
-[X] Enchantment (5 dots)
-[X] Summoning, Binding, and Warding (5 dots)
No, otherwise you could bring up the devil and know what Lucifer is thinking of right now, then bring him up again next scene and do the same thing. You need to have something of the target in a scene to ask. A picture requires you to get some material thing, mentions are free.
Fair enough, though I think there's a difference between random conversation and talking to fey queens who know are effectively built to fight things like it and have been in battle with the critter sometime in the last 24 hours.

We really might want to get on this before a Yama King does. Or Nemesis for that matter; we dont know how long its been possessing Sidhe nobility, but given that its possessed Mab's second in command, the previous Summer Lady and the current Winter Lady in the last ten years, I suspect that its got its hands on a fair selection of internal Fae Court lore and secrets.

Its like the nuclear arms race; you cant just decide not to play without handing your opposition a potentially overwhelming advantage.
They aren't any more accessible than they've been at any other point in history.

It's not like Molly was part of some watershed release of exaltations or something, her exaltation was sitting on a shelf in Winter waiting for someone to free it.

On a story level more exalts will mean less room for any else.
 
Continuing Uju's argument, if Lily has access to this knowledge enough to pass it on to us, Nemesis after possessing Aurora and other important nobles must also know it. Considering what a total pain in the ass we are being to his operations and how much of a danger we are, he was able to start using his resources/hosts to attract things like this, which can bring ancient possibilities and powers back onto the playing field to face us.

And I prefer not to fight a possible Lunar (one of the most optimized Exaltadso for cage fighting) or something from Luna, she scares me more than the Unconquerable Sun ever did.
 
Assuming its an Exaltation that is.
It might simply be some other treasure from Before, which would be even worse; Exaltations have limits to how far they can be perverted from their purpose, but random magic shit does not.
And it's not just perversion you need to be scared of. The Argent Madonna just waking up in a modern age, especially if Gaia is actually dead... is an apocalyptic scenario that would require very careful management and probably Uriel's and other archangelic direct intervention if things go south.
 
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you

OOC: Nemesis did try to infect Lilly, through a combination of its host bleeding all over her and poisonous words spoken for only her to hear, but she made her willpower rolls, both of them so she was not infected and obviously not a valid target for a question about Nemesis. Since it was a null answer there was nothing for either Titania or the Archive to see.
If there was nothing for it to grasp on to actually ask and answer a question, then did it use up Lily as a focus?
 
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you

Another Exalt? This can only end well. Never has more Exalts not improved a situation.
 
[X] A Glimpse of Silver: Many centuries ago Talhaearn Father of the Muse came to Avalon, grown weary of his travels and of the light of mortal realms as all men come to be in the twilight of their years. Then at the last he sang of the Moon-egg hidden under the sea, swallowed whole by a great serpent that slumbers deed, an old song, a pure song and the Children of Danu wept for the music was Truer than True and it reminded them of much that had they had wished themselves to forget. In the passing of years many did forget but the Lady-Who-Was wrote the song down on leaf of imperishable gold before her tears could wash it away. These pages Lilly would share with you
 
[X] Tomes of Ancient Wisdom: Many are the magicians, wise and foolish both who have tarried on the green hills of ever summer, some to leave behind tomes and scrolls, riddles and and recitations. Books comprising a total of Ten (10) dots in any of the following Numia
-[X] Mana Manipulation (5 dots)
-[X] Summoning, Binding, and Warding (5 dots)
 
They aren't any more accessible than they've been at any other point in history.

It's not like Molly was part of some watershed release of exaltations or something, her exaltation was sitting on a shelf in Winter waiting for someone to free it.
On a story level more exalts will mean less room for any else.
1)There is an Infernal Exalt running around perma-shanking Outsiders, Nemesis shards and greater akuma.
Avenues of action that werent deemed necessary or cost-effective for the bad guys to explore before suddenly are a priority again.

Besides, the Stars Are Coming Right again, as evidenced by the birth of the latest tranche of Starborn some three decades ago. There's a good chance that they ARE more accessible now than they are at any other point in (recent)history, where recent history is measured in millenia.


2) As for story level, I get the impression that this was always planned as part of the metaplot.
The QM has explicitly said that Abyssals are [SPOILERS], and we've had a Sanya Interlude that was rolled for several arcs ago which showed a white object and some ranting shapeshifter talking about the moon.

All that refusing to follow the plot thread is going to do is ensure someone else gets to whatever it is first.
 
And it's not just perversion you need to be scared of. The Argent Madonna just waking up in a modern age, especially if Gaia is actually dead... is an apocalyptic scenario that would require very careful management and probably Uriel's and other archangelic direct intervention if things go south.
To be fair?
I suspect that would be well beyond our pay grade. Luna is the kind of god-monster that would eat Nemesis and its siblings as a light snack. Thats the sort of OCP thats probably in Uriel's portfolio.

Anyway, the Incarna are gone in ExWoD. Gone gone.
I'd bet on the entire Lunar Exalt population showing up again than Luna still being around.
 
You know what @DragonParadox can we make an offer to just buy the books?
We can make great powerful magic items they've got magic books that we want, yes it would be kind of hellish on our AP but at this point I just a bit more sorcery.
 
Back
Top