It is either if X then Y which needs a guiding intelligence or constant Wall of Magic [Fire, lightning or distorted gravity]
A wizard could tie effects like this together, Olivia does not have that fine a touch at the moment.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It is either if X then Y which needs a guiding intelligence or constant Wall of Magic [Fire, lightning or distorted gravity]
A wizard could tie effects like this together, Olivia does not have that fine a touch at the moment.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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Continuing to ponder why our enemies haven't made another move like Emma-O yet... I think there are other reasons besides the preparation not going at the same speed as Molly. For those who don't know our capabilities, it's very difficult to estimate what we'll pull out of the hat, especially if they know about our kingdom and the spirit killing charm. For those who do know like the Fallen, it's more a question of them not knowing everything exactly. They may know the broad details, but not the exact details of what will happen if we kill them inside our Shintai zone. Or they may be guessing our exact Charms right now in order to devise an exact strategy to mote tap Molly. In any case, their delay is their death.
How free form is that? Is the implication here that she (or another Sanctuary Sorcerer) could build a beefy ward that generates gravitational force and then hand it off to a cyber devil grade spirit to allow it nearly arbitrary gravity manipulation in the effected space?
Sorry to bombard you with questions, just trying to get a feel for what we can do with the options.
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@DragonParadox the text says that we haven't put a spirit in our new fortress of doom yet, do we need to spend more AP next time or will that happen in the next update and you just used that vote to divide the chapters?
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The volcano is the spire though? Our doom spire is a geographic feature reshaped into an eye filled with teeth.
It does Caster's Mana Manipulation Rating+Rating of the Nearest Dragon's Nest in damage die/round of contact. Thinking about it one should also be able to put extra successes into it at a rate of 1 Success/1 Die of Damage. As for what that translates to in physical terms, thousands of volts, thousands of degrees, tens of Gs of force.
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I mean Spirit/God, I've already fixed it, thank you.
So, quick series of ideas for Olivia and our enginseers. Some of those might already be a thing, some might not:
1) Alcubierre drive. Previously @DragonParadox said that a modern scientifically educated wizard could, in principle, learn to fly this way, by distorting metric of spacetime. If a permanent ward is possible, we could actually build a workable spaceship drive. The issue is that it would require a dragon nest for power, but Flowering of the World is an explicit base option for Splendor production:
And it's entirely understandable why such a thing wasn't widespread in the Courts - no space to explore.
2) Gravity room. Molly almost certainly watched DragonBallZ. So did Olivia, probably. That's a natural idea to try
3) Workable fusion. Use additional energy from magic to heat and/or confine plasma better, then get to the physical fusion more easily. If need be, I can go into a long series of explanations of how this would work (this is actually what I do for a living)
1) Alcubierre drive. Previously @DragonParadox said that a modern scientifically educated wizard could, in principle, learn to fly this way, by distorting metric of spacetime. If a permanent ward is possible, we could actually build a workable spaceship drive. The issue is that it would require a dragon nest for power, but Flowering of the World is an explicit base option for Splendor production:
So, gunstar Enterprise is, in fact, within our grasp. Conditions on Titan are comparable to those of the Wastes. So, get there, and build a forward base there.
And it's entirely understandable why such a thing wasn't widespread in the Courts - no space to explore.
2) Gravity room. Molly almost certainly watched DragonBallZ. So did Olivia, probably. That's a natural idea to try
3) Workable fusion. Use additional energy from magic to heat and/or confine plasma better, then get to the physical fusion more easily. If need be, I can go into a long series of explanations of how this would work (this is actually what I do for a living)
And more importantly plenty of strong electromagnetic fields to exploit for close in flight. Using gravity manipulation to fly would seem needlessly energy intensive.
That makes sense.
Are we just going to model that as an Arcana, maybe fluffed as a being an avatar of a critter with merits that give it extra powers over the fortress?
Another possibility is making it a spirit, but since it's domain is a shaped vessel spelling out its name even as it fills the same purpose as the entity maybe it could be allowed to count the mountain as its body for the purposes of Arcana stuff.
I think I see a way that could potentially allow the whole mountain to come to life and actively reconfigure to screw with interlopers if that was how it worked.
Lots of neat tricks to try, but this one is probably only of use if there's some magical resonance to such a generator.
DF magic treats laws like conservation of energy as a suggestion. Harry can use the residual emotional energy of people just living in an area to generate explosions suitable for destroying whole buildings and vice versa. Creating a power system that freely converts between physical and magical energy to get limitless power wouldn't be complicated with any sort of technological magic. It'd just be a matter of scale and expense.
There's a lot of fascinating implications for other technology here too. Do you even need physical batteries if you can add a spirit to a system, feed it bottled magical power, and train it to do the equivalent of run inside a hamster wheel to power your manufacturing equipment?
How about wires that emit anger instead of getting hot when power is run through them, passively feeding your waste energy back into the system?
So for things other than direct combat a lot of nonsense could be done.
Can we assume that such systems are part of the work our sorcerers have done since they're working at a higher level than the rituals presented here?
Silvereagle21
Soaring through the Sky
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[X] [Psychic Invisibility] •••• Anchor Veil: Allows the Sorcerer to anchor an effect of similar strength to her Invisibility power to an area that hides a specific class of object: Innanimate object (1 Success); Non-Sentient living things (2 Successes); Sentient Beings (3 Successes); Sophonts (4 Successes). The size of the veil is 50 ft +50 ft/extra success
In general as long as it's something the people of Sanctuary would have come up with, so no Warp Drive for instance, yes.
I would argue that it's more that magic ignores second law of thermodynamics, rather than the first. Harry doesn't generate energy ex-nihilo. He gathers gravity from an area to redistribute it, for example. Still, yes, lots of fascinating implications. And a path to clean energy.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
I would argue that everyone in Sanctuary counts.
We must do this.
If only to see Molly explain to her family that she got a space program now.
And that she is now rooming on Titan on account of the absurd rental prices on Earth.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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I don't know, man. If the powers of this world didn't want us to invade Mars, why didn't they do it first?
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
DragonParadox grinned and gave a foreboding chuckle. You feel a sense of apprehension.
Haven't acted in what way? We don't know what we don't know after all.
There are paradigm things that different wizards prefer for various reasons related to how humans see the world, but the key thing is that he's exchanging energy with systems that operate in very different ways.
Anger or what have you actually can be transmuted into large amounts of physical energy that wasn't present previously.
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[X] [Psychic Invisibility] •••• Anchor Veil: Allows the Sorcerer to anchor an effect of similar strength to her Invisibility power to an area that hides a specific class of object: Innanimate object (1 Success); Non-Sentient living things (2 Successes); Sentient Beings (3 Successes); Sophonts (4 Successes). The size of the veil is 50 ft +50 ft/extra success
Not sure if I'm on board with this yet, but there's some interesting potential in actually pretending to be extraterrestrial if we did this.
We might also get to see the beacon the low magic aliens left near the solar system to warn off repeat visits.
Which would be fun to reveal to the world.
"Abductions? We were going to ask you where all the missing ships went."
Looking at this again, I'm almost more interested in the lower order success effects than the higher.
A ward making you forget guns/bullets exist would be fun.
They make you not notice those specific guns in the area, they do not go in your head and remove the concept of a gun, which means that when you get shot you can deduce someone must have used a gun even if you can't see it.
So what are the benefits of what we just did? Those rolls were well into the "exalt showing off" range, so I assume that there's something more here than what would have been done it'd been built without us.
Well, as a first world nation, actually having a space program is almost a must. Hell, I bet no Court mortal ever walked on the surface of the Court moon. Something to potentially remedy. Who knows what it is made of.
If I wanted to be needlessly pedantic I would just say that this means emotions are also energy. Given that energy is a measure of a system's capacity for action, in a world where souls area thing, this actually makes sense. One also has to remember that conservation of energy is a consequence of time translation symmetry, ie the fact that laws of nature don't change over time. And yes, I fully understand that Butcher didn't write it like that, and likely has no idea what I am talking about (and time crystals are interesting, yes).
In medieval setting. This isn't one. Like, I am half expecting moon nazis. And remind everyone that Lovedrart basically wrote non-fiction in DFverse. And he wrote a lot about aliens. though personally I hope that Edgar Rice Burroughs is more right in how Mars is.
Not that I want to make it a priority, but it's a neat possibility.
Our people are, in all regards, extraterrestrials, no pretense needed.
The sign probably has "here there be dragons" on it.