Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Quick comment before I have to dash:

1)No, she's not a DB family member. Nothing in her thoughts suggest it.
She was referring to the Wan Xian, the Ten Thousand in her mental thoughtstream, not the Dragonblooded.

2)Dresden is a Warden.
New but senior. He would know what the diplomatic situation between the Council and Yomi Wan is.
Using it as an excuse doesnt work.
Well unless it's secret or too niche to be common. Just like how jade court are very very isolationists here so policies on them are probably not thought about much by even the wizards who live near them. I mean not to even mention chinas huge butcher once said it'd be ridiculous for the council to put injun joe under suspicion due to naagloshii stuff. Because
"And as all the world knows, all Native Americans eat at the same restaurants and know each other and stuff? :)
Guys, LtW is from a Great Lakes nation. Naagloshii are native to the Navajo and other tribes of the Southwest. There are a couple of thousand miles, some truly epic geography, and an infinite number of cultural, religious, and lingual differences between the two."
The same kind of applies to china like I know they've gotta manage large areas and historically they've probably dealt with various china related stuff for those in china. But, it's ridiculous to treat large areas as homogenous in a kitchen sink like Dresden files.
 
1)No, she's not a DB family member. Nothing in her thoughts suggest it.
She was referring to the Wan Xian, the Ten Thousand in her mental thoughtstream, not the Dragonblooded.
She might have referred to them, yes. She might also have referred to exalts. Note that she called them "precursors". While Wan Xian to Wan Kuei is a possibly known things, Wan Xian are not exactly precursors to Wan Kuei, I think.
2)Dresden is a Warden.
New but senior. He would know what the diplomatic situation between the Council and Yomi Wan is.
Using it as an excuse doesnt work.
No, he wouldn't. At all. Why would he? his area of responsibility is Chicago and its neighborhood. He certainly wouldn't know the details, not as a diplomat would.
 
She might have referred to them, yes. She might also have referred to exalts. Note that she called them "precursors". While Wan Xian to Wan Kuei is a possibly known things, Wan Xian are not exactly precursors to Wan Kuei, I think.

No, he wouldn't. At all. Why would he? his area of responsibility is Chicago and its neighborhood. He certainly wouldn't know the details, not as a diplomat would.

The details of how the Council deals with the Yama Kings would not be known to Harry, he would know broad generalities, but not as much as a local and doubly so not as much as a diplomat. This is the same principle by which Harry knows an unusual amount of stuff about the White Court in general and House Raith in particular because of where their leader lives.
 
One of the diplomatic sticking points of this meeting was translating the word 'wizard' not from a magical perspective, but a political one. The closest one might come to in the etiquette of Sanctuary would be either shaman, as an commissary of the spirits, or councilor in matters arcane, all of which come with expectations and implications the White Council does not fit. Fortunately the city of Journeys in general and Enlightened Keeper of the Equal Ledger in particular have dealt with many an odd cultural context. It did not take them more than a few days to advance the notion that the White Council were a kind of secular ascetics, a rare but not unheard of concept and worthy of some respect, but whereas most ascetics deny themselves attachment to the world the Council denies itself power out of a commitment to the free will of the less magically gifted by means of secreting themselves away from the eyes of the world.
Just the existence of our world is likely to do huge amounts of damage to the legitimacy of the laws of magic and by extension the legitimacy White Council. We have an entire thriving magic society where the laws of magic aren't even an idea. That introduces a huge amount of cultural weight.
 
Actually, we've been getting Asian vibes from our Exaltation since we got it, see the way it came pre-programmed with the correct formalities to address a Chinese Spirit Guardian when we first met Mouse, and we recently got the proper name for it IC, so…

Even if we hadn't magically read her mind, it would be perfectly reasonable for us to name-drop Exaltations on the Chinese member of the delegation and see if she recognizes the term. If she hasn't, no harm done, and if she has, a direct name-drop might startle out a reaction. And we don't reveal anything from the Crown.

Win-win-win by my books. What do you guys think?
 
Killing by means of magic - Nullified by the wheel
Necromancy - Nullified by the Wheel
Time Travel- If they made this happen wed know
Outer Gates - Inconceivable until we showed up


Invading the Minds of Others - An offense that can reasonably be concluded as wrong independent of the council

Enthralling Others - An offense that can reasonably be concluded as wrong independent of the council

Transforming Others - I forgot the passage with the Brass Courts penalty for child abuse but if they do that with magic it'd be a violation of council law

Edit: Found it, Arc 9 Part 8, turns out it's fully mundane
' Two verses from the Canticle of Sorrows, a thousand year old book of religious and legal commentary, linger in the mind:

Let one who would twist minds not yet grown into themselves be twisted in flesh
Let one who would rot still tender hearts be shown to all the world rotten in flesh

While systematic breaking of bones and allowing them to heal wrong and the use of slow narcotizing poisons to induce a state akin to leprosy are not a part of modern legal practice in the Five Cities for the same reason people are not stoned to death or hanged anymore the moral outrage against those who perpetrate mental and spiritual harm children is bone deep. Not that you can blame your subjects for it it, but it is a good thing Thomas brought up cultural norms now and not when an agent's discipline cracks at the sight of some asshole slapping their kids around in a Walmart and tasers them into a coma
So yeah half the laws of Magic were Inconceivable until recently for the brass courts
 
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The Laws of Magic to not seem to be a thing in Sanctuary, not in the same way, these are the people who practice transhumanism by spiritual merger, the nice lady Morgan is talking to... she has four distinct spirits in her which are altering her form and to an extent her mind, spirits that were put in by someone else.

The question of why that is the case is one Molly herself would have to investigate.

I would first use nws on Wu Min. And also find a dictionary, find the word exaltation in it, and use it (with all the bonuses) to find being aware of the supernatural exaltation, starting from the oldest and excluding the non'fallen angels

The word Exaltation would not work, the word itself is simply the best English translation for a concept which is... not made for human brains to parse, the connection is not there for the crown to latch on to.
 
So, reigniting the "is Lydia actually an exalt in-story, or just modeled as one" argument, here's my new hot take: she's a dragonblooded version of an abyssal. Literally so. Let me explain. We recently got a new piece of lore - we now strongly suspect that Dragonblooded exist among native Americans, based on what Porter told us when swearing fealty.

We know that Kemmler was strongly interested in ascension rituals - Darkhallow being his canon masterpiece / tool to achieve one. In the setting with dragonblooded, if he was aware of them, studying them would make a lot of sense for this reason. Sure, they aren't celestials, but they are still exalts - infinite potential to make impossible inevitable welded to a mortal soul and barring any normal power restraints of Dresdenverse setting. Trying to obtain a dragonblooded exaltation for himself would be a good first step to godhood, if nothing else. And I wouldn't actually put it past being possible. Take a young dragonblooded before the exaltation age, swap their mind/soul for your own, force exaltation somehow (a mini version of Darkhallow?) - it would need a lot of twisting, but dragonblooded exaltations are in the blood at least partially, it might work.

In any case, we know that Kemmler have Arawn some sort of knowledge of life and death that allowed him to escape the oaths he made, and connected him to death in a way he wasn't before. We know that Lydia is connected to death as a whole, not just the mythology of death from her father. We also don't know anything about Lydia's mother.

My current outlandish hypothesis is that Lydia was born a godblooded dragonblood, and that her exaltation / element was altered by Kemmler's working, twisting it towards death by way of her father's domain.
 
We know that Kemmler was strongly interested in ascension rituals - Darkhallow being his canon masterpiece / tool to achieve one. In the setting with dragonblooded, if he was aware of them, studying them would make a lot of sense for this reason. Sure, they aren't celestials, but they are still exalts - infinite potential to make impossible inevitable welded to a mortal soul and barring any normal power restraints of Dresdenverse setting. Trying to obtain a dragonblooded exaltation for himself would be a good first step to godhood, if nothing else. And I wouldn't actually put it past being possible. Take a young dragonblooded before the exaltation age, swap their mind/soul for your own, force exaltation somehow (a mini version of Darkhallow?) - it would need a lot of twisting, but dragonblooded exaltations are in the blood at least partially, it might work.

The thing is a Dragonblooded before they have their powers are not that special, some kid age 15 not yet Exalted is just a Dragonseed, which means they have the potential, but they still need to do the heroic thing and actually Exalt, get the third soul piece that makes them more than mortal. Yeah the realm in the Second Age thought it was all about breeding, but given just how many outcasts were being born even to populations that had not seen any kind of Dragonblooded in generations I think it is fair to say they were wrong.
 
I should note that considering Dragons are still around nothing stops them from making new Dragonblooded. They probably won't lineup perfectly with the old version but Ferrovax should be able to manage his own variant. Not like he seemed to be interested in it in canon but with Molly running all over the globe with Infernal powers who knows what he will do.
 
Sesil does not need a translator, having probably taken advantage of her implants to study at enhanced speed: "The Star Wars Trilogy was a significant milestone in the history of movies, being one of the origins of the term blockbuster, though it was in a sense nostalgic, calling upon the esthetics serialized science fiction 30s and 40s like Flash Gordon it spoke of anti-war and anti-imperial sentiments at home and abroad. To answer your question no, my own citizens have not raised up arms against me, not even a one."
@DragonParadox Did we bring back the AIball? I can't figure out how else she would know this.
 
The thing is a Dragonblooded before they have their powers are not that special, some kid age 15 not yet Exalted is just a Dragonseed, which means they have the potential, but they still need to do the heroic thing and actually Exalt, get the third soul piece that makes them more than mortal. Yeah the realm in the Second Age thought it was all about breeding, but given just how many outcasts were being born even to populations that had not seen any kind of Dragonblooded in generations I think it is fair to say they were wrong.
Being a dragonseed still conveys the potential that normal bodies and souls don't do. And starting up that potential is something that Kemmler certainly had ambition for.

And if we are talking about Lydia, assuming my hypothesis is correct, she exalted saving her dad.
I should note that considering Dragons are still around nothing stops them from making new Dragonblooded. They probably won't lineup perfectly with the old version but Ferrovax should be able to manage his own variant. Not like he seemed to be interested in it in canon but with Molly running all over the globe with Infernal powers who knows what he will do.
Doubt it. You'd need at least Gaia, and like Autochton to participate too, to make exalts, and not just demigods. I think. I'll have to check the books.
 
Well unless it's secret or too niche to be common. Just like how jade court are very very isolationists here so policies on them are probably not thought about much by even the wizards who live near them. I mean not to even mention chinas huge butcher once said it'd be ridiculous for the council to put injun joe under suspicion due to naagloshii stuff. Because
"And as all the world knows, all Native Americans eat at the same restaurants and know each other and stuff? :)
Guys, LtW is from a Great Lakes nation. Naagloshii are native to the Navajo and other tribes of the Southwest. There are a couple of thousand miles, some truly epic geography, and an infinite number of cultural, religious, and lingual differences between the two."
The same kind of applies to china like I know they've gotta manage large areas and historically they've probably dealt with various china related stuff for those in china. But, it's ridiculous to treat large areas as homogenous in a kitchen sink like Dresden files.
Dresden is regional warden commander for the eastern US, and someone who is very deeply entangled with the Fae.
And in this AU, Emma-O of Kakuri specifically tried to come to conclusions with Winter and got his army's ass kicked on the battlefield. Notable enemies of the Fae would be on his radar.

No way he wouldnt be aware of general Council policy towards Yomi Wan.

Hell, even before Mab entered the picture? Dresden was summoning Chaunzaggaroth when he was still 25 years old in Fool Moon.
He would have to be excruciatingly aware of what the White Council's policies were with regards to denizens of Hell, regardless of which Hell, to do so legally without risking getting a Warden sword through his neck.


She might have referred to them, yes. She might also have referred to exalts. Note that she called them "precursors". While Wan Xian to Wan Kuei is a possibly known things, Wan Xian are not exactly precursors to Wan Kuei, I think.
No, she wasnt referring to Exalts.
She explicitly referenced Elder Mai, who is Senior Council member Ancient Mai. And DBs arent wizards.
If she was a Dragonblood or from a Dragonblooded family, she would be thinking of the DB heads of her family

Furthermore, she specifically refers to, and I quote:
Well, you reason, I'm going to be glowing in a moment anyway, might as well get something out of it. Looking inwards you ponder the thoughts of Wu Min. No need to take the bait. There is an edge of carefully controlled fear to the thought, a coiled spring about to go off or break: Not a consequence of Kemmler's work, she is not acting right for that, not even for an unintended heir to some lost project. Elder Mai overestimates Dresden to think that he would be able to hide such a thing, much less to intentionally empower her in a power play. The man is as ambitious as a carp. No, the insights in the book are not his, they are hers. Then is she a precursor? No, the way is shut, no more shall Heaven's hand dispense such investitures and even should it do so the earth itself would rebel against them. Who is she? What is she?
Thats a pretty blatant reference to how the Wan Xian were created, by Heavenly investitures; to quote the White Wolf wiki:
According to the legends of the Middle Kingdom, the Wan Xian were the 10,000 heroes of the Middle Kingdom. They originally protected the Middle Kingdom from the depredations of the Yama Kings and other threats. Chosen by the August Personage In Jade, they were mortals who passed various tests and acquired the ability to feed off of chi, granting them great power. During their tenure on earth, the Wan Xian learned and amassed power, until they become enlightened enough to enter Heaven. The Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet Phoenix would then appoint a replacement from the mortal population.
Investitures by Heaven.

By contrast, Dragonbloods inherit their power by family ancestry from bloodlines reaching into pre-history.
No Heavenly interference there.


No, he wouldn't. At all. Why would he? his area of responsibility is Chicago and its neighborhood. He certainly wouldn't know the details, not as a diplomat would.
Literally the opening fight scene of Blood Rites was Harry Dresden in a running fire fight with Chinese shen monkey-demons throwing pyrotechnic poo. Which he explicitly identified as such to Thomas.
It was where we were first introduced to Mouse, and the rest of his litter.
The building was on fire, and it wasn't my fault.
My boots slipped and slid on the tile floor as I sprinted around a corner and toward the exit doors to the abandoned school building on the southwest edge of Chicagoland. Distant streetlights provided the only light in the dusty hall, and left huge swaths of blackness crouching in the old classroom doors.
I carried an elaborately carved wooden box about the size of a laundry basket in my arms, and its weight made my shoulders burn with effort. I'd been shot in both of them at one time or another, and the muscle burn quickly started changing into deep, aching stabs. The damned box was heavy, not even considering its contents.
Inside the box, a bunch of flop-eared grey-and-black puppies whimpered and whined, jostled back and forth as I ran. One of the puppies, his ear already notched where some kind of doggie misadventure had marked him, was either braver or more stupid than his littermates. He scrambled around until he got his paws onto the lip of the box, and set up a painfully high-pitched barking full of squeaky snarls, big dark eyes focused behind me.
I ran faster, my knee-length black leather duster swishing against my legs. I heard a rustling, hissing sound and juked left as best I could. A ball of some kind of noxious-smelling substance that looked like tar went zipping past me, engulfed in yellow-white flame. It hit the floor several yards beyond me, and promptly exploded into a little puddle of hungry fire.
I tried to avoid it, but my boots had evidently been made for walking, not sprinting on dusty tile. They slid out from under me and I fell. I controlled it as much as I could, and wound up sliding on my rear, my back to the fire. It got hot for a second, but the wards I'd woven over my duster kept it from burning me.
Another naming glob crackled toward me, and I barely turned in time. The substance, whatever the hell it was, clung like napalm to what it hit and burned with a supernatural ferocity that had already burned a dozen metal lockers to slag in the dim halls behind me.
The goop hit my left shoulder blade and slid off the protective spells on my mantled coat, spattering the wall beside me. I flinched nonetheless, lost my balance, and fumbled the box. Fat little puppies tumbled onto the floor with a chorus of whimpers and cries for help.
I checked behind me.
The guardian demons looked like demented purple chimpanzees, except for the raven-black wings sprouting from their shoulders. There were three of them that had escaped my carefully crafted paralysis spell, and they were hot on my tail, bounding down the halls in long leaps assisted by their black feathered wings.
As I watched, one of them reached down between its crooked legs and… Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but it gathered up the kind of ammunition primates in zoos traditionally rely upon. The monkey-demon hurled it with a chittering scream, and it combusted in midair. I had to duck before the noxious ball of incendiary goop smacked into my nose.
I grabbed puppies and scooped them into the box, then started running. The demon-monkeys burst into fresh howls.
Squeaky barks behind me made me look back. The little notch-eared puppy had planted his clumsy paws solidly on the floor, and was barking defiantly at the oncoming demon-chimps.

"Dammit," I cursed, and reversed course. The lead monkey swooped down at the puppy. I made like a ballplayer, slid in feetfirst, and planted the heel of my boot squarely on the end of the demon's nose. I'm not heavily built, but I'm most of a head taller than six feet, and no one ever thought I was a lightweight. I kicked the demon hard enough to make it screech and veer off. It slammed into a metal locker, and left an inches-deep dent.
"Stupid little fuzzbucket," I muttered, and recovered the puppy. "This is why I have a cat." The puppy kept up its tirade of ferocious, squeaking snarls. I pitched him into the box without ceremony, ducked two more flaming blobs, and started coughing on the smoke already filling the building as I resumed my retreat. Light was growing back where I'd come from, as the demons' flaming missiles chewed into the old walls and floor, spreading with a malicious glee.
I ran for the front doors of the old building, slamming the opening bar with my hip and barely slowing down.
A sudden weight hit my back and something pulled viciously at my hair. The chimp-demon started biting at my neck and ear. It hurt. I tried to spin and throw it off me, but it had a good hold. The effort, though, showed me a second demon heading for my face, and I had to duck to avoid a collision.
I let go of the box and reached for the demon on my back. It howled and bit my hand. Snarling and angry, I turned around and threw my back at the nearest wall. The monkey-demon evidently knew that tactic. It nipped off of my shoulders at the last second, and I slammed the base of my skull hard against a row of metal lockers.
A burst of stars blinded me for a second, and by the time my vision cleared, I saw two of the demons diving toward the box of puppies. They both hurled searing blobs at the wooden box, splattering it with flame.
There was an old fire extinguisher on the wall, and I grabbed it. My monkey attacker came swooping back at me. I rammed the end of the extinguisher into its nose, knocking it down, then reversed my grip on the extinguisher and sprayed a cloud of dusty white chemical at the carved box. I got the fire put out, but for good measure I unloaded the thing into the other two demons' faces, creating a thick cloud of dust.
I grabbed the box and hauled it out the door, and then slammed the school doors shut behind me.
There were a couple of thumps from the other side of the doors, and then silence.
Panting, I looked down at the box of whimpering puppies. A bunch of wet black noses and eyes looked back up at me from under a white dusting of extinguishing chemical.
"Hell's bells," I panted at them. "You guys are lucky Brother Wang wants you back so much. If he hadn't paid half up front, I'd be the one in the box and you'd be carrying me."
A bunch of little tails wagged hopefully.
"Stupid dogs," I growled. I hauled the box into my arms again and started schlepping it toward the old school's parking lot.
I was about halfway there when something ripped the steel doors of the school inward, against the swing of their hinges. A low, loud bellow erupted from inside the building, and then a Kong-size version of the chimp-demons came stomping out of the doorway.
It was purple. It had wings. And it looked really pissed off. At least eight feet tall, it had to weigh four or five times what I did. As I stared at it, two little monkey-demons flew directly at demon Kong-and were simply absorbed by the bigger demon's bulk upon impact. Kong gained another eighty pounds or so and got a bit bulkier. Not so much monkey Kong, then, as Monkey Voltron. The original crowd of guardian demons must have escaped my spell with that combining maneuver, pooling all of their energy into a single vessel and using the greater strength provided by density to power through my binding.
Kongtron spread wings as wide as a small airplane's and leapt at me with a completely unfair amount of grace. Being a professional investigator, as well as a professional wizard, I'd seen slobbering beasties before. Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters.
Run away. Me and Monty Python.
The parking lot and the Blue Beetle, my beat-up old Volkswagen, were only thirty or forty yards off, and I can really move when I'm feeling motivated.
Kong bellowed. It motivated me.
There was the sound of a small explosion, then a blaze of red light brighter than the nearby street lamps. Another fireball hit the ground a few feet wide of me and detonated like a Civil War cannonball, gouging out a coffin-sized crater in the pavement. The enormous demon roared and shot past me on black vulture wings, banking to come around for another pass.
"Thomas!" I screamed. "Start the car!"
The passenger door opened, and an unwholesomely good-looking young man with dark hair, tight jeans, and a leather jacket worn over a bare chest poked his head out and peered at me over the rims of round green-glassed spectacles. Then he looked up and behind me. His jaw dropped open.
"Start the freaking car!" I screamed.
Thomas nodded and dove back into the Beetle. It coughed and wheezed and shuddered to life. The surviving headlight flicked on, and Thomas gunned the engine and headed for the street.
For a second I thought he was going to leave me, but he slowed down enough that I caught up with him. Thomas leaned across the car and pushed the passenger door open. I grunted with effort and threw myself into the car. I almost lost the box, but managed to get it just before the notch-eared puppy pulled himself up to the rim, evidently determined to go back and do battle.
"What the hell is that?" Thomas screamed. His black hair, shoulder length, curling and glossy, whipped around his face as the car gathered speed and drew the cool autumn wind through the open windows. His grey eyes were wide with apprehension. "What is that, Harry?"
"Just drive!" I shouted. I stuffed the box of whimpering puppies into the backseat, grabbed my blasting rod, and climbed out the open window so that I was sitting on the door, chest to the car's roof. I twisted to bring the blasting rod in my right hand to bear on the demon. I drew in my will, my magic, and the end of the blasting rod began to glow with a cherry-red light.
I was about to loose a strike against the demon when it swooped down with another fireball in its hand and flung it at the car.
"Look out!" I screamed.
Thomas must have seen it coming in the mirror. The Beetle swerved wildly, and the fireball hit the asphalt, bursting into a roar of flame and concussion that broke windows on both sides of the street. Thomas dodged a car parked on the curb by roaring up onto the sidewalk, bounced gracelessly, and nearly went out of control. The bounce threw me from my perch on the closed door. I was wondering what the odds were against finding a soft place to land when I felt Thomas grab my ankle. He held on to me and drew me back into the car with a strength that would have been shocking to anyone who didn't know that he wasn't human.
He braced me with his hold on my leg, and as the huge demon dove down again, I pointed my blasting rod at it and snarled, "Fuego!"
A lance of white-hot fire streaked from the tip of my blasting rod into the late-night air, illuminating the street like a flash of lightning. Bouncing along on the car like that, I expected to miss. But I beat the odds and the burst of flame took Kongtron right in the belly. It screamed and faltered, plummeting to earth. Thomas swerved back out onto the street.
The demon started to get up. "Stop the car!" I screamed.
Thomas mashed down the brakes and I nearly got reduced to sidewalk pizza again. I hung on as hard as I could, but by the time I had my balance, the demon had hauled itself to its feet.
I growled in frustration, readied another blast, and aimed carefully.
"What are you doing?" Thomas shouted. "You lamed him; let's run!"
"No," I snapped back. "If we leave it here, it's going to take things out on whoever it can find."
"But it won't be us!"
I tuned Thomas out and readied another strike, pouring my will into the blasting rod until wisps of smoke began emerging from the length of its surface.
Then I let Kong have it right between its black beady eyes.
The fire hit it like a wrecking ball, right on the chin. The demon's head exploded into a cloud of luminous purple vapor and sparkles of scarlet light, which I have to admit looked really neat.
Demons who come into the mortal world don't have bodies as such. They create them, like a suit of clothes, and as long as the demon's awareness inhabits the construct-body, it's as good as real. Having its head blown up was too much damage for even the demon's life energy to support. The body flopped around on the ground for a few seconds, and then the Kong-demon's earthly form stopped moving and dissolved into a lumpy looking mass of translucent gelatin-ectoplasm, matter from the Nevernever.
A surge of relief made me feel a little dizzy, and I slid bonelessly back into the Beetle.
"Allow me to reiterate," Thomas panted a minute, later. "What. The hell. Was that."
I settled down onto the seat, breathing hard. I buckled up, and checked that the puppies and their box were both intact. They were, and I closed my eyes with a sigh. "Shen," I said. "Chinese spirit creatures. Demons. Shapeshifters."

"Christ, Dresden! You almost got me killed!"
"Don't be a baby. You're fine."
Thomas frowned at me. "You at least could have told me!"
"I did tell you," I said. "I told you at Mac's that I'd give you a ride home, but that I had to run an errand first."
Thomas scowled. "An errand is getting a tank of gas or picking up a carton of milk or something. It is not getting chased by flying purple pyromaniac gorillas hurling incendiary poo."
"Next time take the El."
He glared at me. "Where are we going?"
"O'Hare."
"Why?"
I waved vaguely at the backseat. "Returning stolen property to my client. He wants to get it back to Tibet, pronto."
"Anything else you're neglecting to tell me? Ninja wombats or something?"
"I wanted you to see how it feels," I said.
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"Come on, Thomas. You never go to Mac's place to hang out and chum around. You're wealthy, you've got connections, and you're a freaking vampire. You didn't need me to give you a ride home. You could have taken a cab, called for a limo, or talked some woman into taking you."
Thomas's scowl faded away, replaced by a careful, expressionless mask. "Oh? Then why am I here?"
I shrugged. "Doesn't look like you showed up to bushwhack me. I guess you're here to talk."
"Razor intellect. You should be a private investigator or something."
"You going to sit there insulting me, or are you going to talk?"
"Yeah," Thomas said. "I need a favor."

Furthermore, he's now a regional warden commander.
He is responsible for the eastern United States, including the biggest cities of the eastern seaboard, Midwest and Deep South, extending as far west as Dallas, TX. Just Chicago alone has a 6% Asian population; New York has 13% Asian population.

And supernaturals tend to follow the mortal ethnicities they were originally associated with; the most heavily Asian cities might be back in California, but the Chicago metro, the New York-Philadelphia metro, and the Atlanta metro have Asian populations well in excess of 5%.

Besides?
Yomi Wan has explicitly produced at least one Yama King willing to test Winter on the battlefield in this AU, which very much falls into the purview of someone who fucks with the Fae Courts as much as Dresden does.

The details of how the Council deals with the Yama Kings would not be known to Harry, he would know broad generalities, but not as much as a local and doubly so not as much as a diplomat. This is the same principle by which Harry knows an unusual amount of stuff about the White Court in general and House Raith in particular because of where their leader lives.
The details and minutiae wont be known to Harry. General White Council policy certainly would be. He's literally had to fight Chinese shen demons onscreen in Blood Rites on behalf of a Tibetan monastery that hired him to retrieve Mouse's kidnapped siblings; it very much behooves him to know what the hell he might be dealing with.

Just like in Death Masks he was generally aware of the Fallen, even though he didnt know about the specifics of the Denarian order.
 
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[X] Empathy, Etiquette excellencies, ATB




Id rather be proactive here than give up the social initiative.
More chance to earn XP and to gain knowledge, while expanding social links.
And at worst, we can use the scene itself as another Crown focus.

I just see no reason to fake anything. No reason to, especially since Molly shanking a greater akuma is presumably public knowledge for those who know where to look.
 
I couldn't find an xp tracker on the info pages, but by my count we're at (12(arc 0)+18+30+27+23+21+31+15
+36+16(arc 9))229 xp. Is that right?

That's e4, isn't it?
 
Dresden is regional warden commander for the eastern US, and someone who is very deeply entangled with the Fae.
And in this AU, Emma-O of Kakuri specifically tried to come to conclusions with Winter and got his army's ass kicked on the battlefield. Notable enemies of the Fae would be on his radar.

No way he wouldnt be aware of general Council policy towards Yomi Wan.

Hell, even before Mab entered the picture? Dresden was summoning Chaunzaggaroth when he was still 25 years old in Fool Moon.
He would have to be excruciatingly aware of what the White Council's policies were with regards to denizens of Hell, regardless of which Hell, to do so legally without risking getting a Warden sword through his neck.



No, she wasnt referring to Exalts.
She explicitly referenced Elder Mai, who is Senior Council member Ancient Mai. And DBs arent wizards.
If she was a Dragonblood or from a Dragonblooded family, she would be thinking of the DB heads of her family

Furthermore, she specifically refers to, and I quote:

Thats a pretty blatant reference to how the Wan Xian were created, by Heavenly investitures; to quote the White Wolf wiki:

Investitures by Heaven.

By contrast, Dragonbloods inherit their power by family ancestry from bloodlines reaching into pre-history.
No Heavenly interference there.



Literally the opening fight scene of Blood Rites was Harry Dresden in a running fire fight with Chinese shen monkey-demons throwing pyrotechnic poo. Which he explicitly identified as such to Thomas.
It was where we were first introduced to Mouse, and the rest of his litter.
The building was on fire, and it wasn't my fault.
My boots slipped and slid on the tile floor as I sprinted around a corner and toward the exit doors to the abandoned school building on the southwest edge of Chicagoland. Distant streetlights provided the only light in the dusty hall, and left huge swaths of blackness crouching in the old classroom doors.
I carried an elaborately carved wooden box about the size of a laundry basket in my arms, and its weight made my shoulders burn with effort. I'd been shot in both of them at one time or another, and the muscle burn quickly started changing into deep, aching stabs. The damned box was heavy, not even considering its contents.
Inside the box, a bunch of flop-eared grey-and-black puppies whimpered and whined, jostled back and forth as I ran. One of the puppies, his ear already notched where some kind of doggie misadventure had marked him, was either braver or more stupid than his littermates. He scrambled around until he got his paws onto the lip of the box, and set up a painfully high-pitched barking full of squeaky snarls, big dark eyes focused behind me.
I ran faster, my knee-length black leather duster swishing against my legs. I heard a rustling, hissing sound and juked left as best I could. A ball of some kind of noxious-smelling substance that looked like tar went zipping past me, engulfed in yellow-white flame. It hit the floor several yards beyond me, and promptly exploded into a little puddle of hungry fire.
I tried to avoid it, but my boots had evidently been made for walking, not sprinting on dusty tile. They slid out from under me and I fell. I controlled it as much as I could, and wound up sliding on my rear, my back to the fire. It got hot for a second, but the wards I'd woven over my duster kept it from burning me.
Another naming glob crackled toward me, and I barely turned in time. The substance, whatever the hell it was, clung like napalm to what it hit and burned with a supernatural ferocity that had already burned a dozen metal lockers to slag in the dim halls behind me.
The goop hit my left shoulder blade and slid off the protective spells on my mantled coat, spattering the wall beside me. I flinched nonetheless, lost my balance, and fumbled the box. Fat little puppies tumbled onto the floor with a chorus of whimpers and cries for help.
I checked behind me.
The guardian demons looked like demented purple chimpanzees, except for the raven-black wings sprouting from their shoulders. There were three of them that had escaped my carefully crafted paralysis spell, and they were hot on my tail, bounding down the halls in long leaps assisted by their black feathered wings.
As I watched, one of them reached down between its crooked legs and… Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but it gathered up the kind of ammunition primates in zoos traditionally rely upon. The monkey-demon hurled it with a chittering scream, and it combusted in midair. I had to duck before the noxious ball of incendiary goop smacked into my nose.
I grabbed puppies and scooped them into the box, then started running. The demon-monkeys burst into fresh howls.
Squeaky barks behind me made me look back. The little notch-eared puppy had planted his clumsy paws solidly on the floor, and was barking defiantly at the oncoming demon-chimps.

"Dammit," I cursed, and reversed course. The lead monkey swooped down at the puppy. I made like a ballplayer, slid in feetfirst, and planted the heel of my boot squarely on the end of the demon's nose. I'm not heavily built, but I'm most of a head taller than six feet, and no one ever thought I was a lightweight. I kicked the demon hard enough to make it screech and veer off. It slammed into a metal locker, and left an inches-deep dent.
"Stupid little fuzzbucket," I muttered, and recovered the puppy. "This is why I have a cat." The puppy kept up its tirade of ferocious, squeaking snarls. I pitched him into the box without ceremony, ducked two more flaming blobs, and started coughing on the smoke already filling the building as I resumed my retreat. Light was growing back where I'd come from, as the demons' flaming missiles chewed into the old walls and floor, spreading with a malicious glee.
I ran for the front doors of the old building, slamming the opening bar with my hip and barely slowing down.
A sudden weight hit my back and something pulled viciously at my hair. The chimp-demon started biting at my neck and ear. It hurt. I tried to spin and throw it off me, but it had a good hold. The effort, though, showed me a second demon heading for my face, and I had to duck to avoid a collision.
I let go of the box and reached for the demon on my back. It howled and bit my hand. Snarling and angry, I turned around and threw my back at the nearest wall. The monkey-demon evidently knew that tactic. It nipped off of my shoulders at the last second, and I slammed the base of my skull hard against a row of metal lockers.
A burst of stars blinded me for a second, and by the time my vision cleared, I saw two of the demons diving toward the box of puppies. They both hurled searing blobs at the wooden box, splattering it with flame.
There was an old fire extinguisher on the wall, and I grabbed it. My monkey attacker came swooping back at me. I rammed the end of the extinguisher into its nose, knocking it down, then reversed my grip on the extinguisher and sprayed a cloud of dusty white chemical at the carved box. I got the fire put out, but for good measure I unloaded the thing into the other two demons' faces, creating a thick cloud of dust.
I grabbed the box and hauled it out the door, and then slammed the school doors shut behind me.
There were a couple of thumps from the other side of the doors, and then silence.
Panting, I looked down at the box of whimpering puppies. A bunch of wet black noses and eyes looked back up at me from under a white dusting of extinguishing chemical.
"Hell's bells," I panted at them. "You guys are lucky Brother Wang wants you back so much. If he hadn't paid half up front, I'd be the one in the box and you'd be carrying me."
A bunch of little tails wagged hopefully.
"Stupid dogs," I growled. I hauled the box into my arms again and started schlepping it toward the old school's parking lot.
I was about halfway there when something ripped the steel doors of the school inward, against the swing of their hinges. A low, loud bellow erupted from inside the building, and then a Kong-size version of the chimp-demons came stomping out of the doorway.
It was purple. It had wings. And it looked really pissed off. At least eight feet tall, it had to weigh four or five times what I did. As I stared at it, two little monkey-demons flew directly at demon Kong-and were simply absorbed by the bigger demon's bulk upon impact. Kong gained another eighty pounds or so and got a bit bulkier. Not so much monkey Kong, then, as Monkey Voltron. The original crowd of guardian demons must have escaped my spell with that combining maneuver, pooling all of their energy into a single vessel and using the greater strength provided by density to power through my binding.
Kongtron spread wings as wide as a small airplane's and leapt at me with a completely unfair amount of grace. Being a professional investigator, as well as a professional wizard, I'd seen slobbering beasties before. Over the course of many encounters and many years, I have successfully developed a standard operating procedure for dealing with big, nasty monsters.
Run away. Me and Monty Python.
The parking lot and the Blue Beetle, my beat-up old Volkswagen, were only thirty or forty yards off, and I can really move when I'm feeling motivated.
Kong bellowed. It motivated me.
There was the sound of a small explosion, then a blaze of red light brighter than the nearby street lamps. Another fireball hit the ground a few feet wide of me and detonated like a Civil War cannonball, gouging out a coffin-sized crater in the pavement. The enormous demon roared and shot past me on black vulture wings, banking to come around for another pass.
"Thomas!" I screamed. "Start the car!"
The passenger door opened, and an unwholesomely good-looking young man with dark hair, tight jeans, and a leather jacket worn over a bare chest poked his head out and peered at me over the rims of round green-glassed spectacles. Then he looked up and behind me. His jaw dropped open.
"Start the freaking car!" I screamed.
Thomas nodded and dove back into the Beetle. It coughed and wheezed and shuddered to life. The surviving headlight flicked on, and Thomas gunned the engine and headed for the street.
For a second I thought he was going to leave me, but he slowed down enough that I caught up with him. Thomas leaned across the car and pushed the passenger door open. I grunted with effort and threw myself into the car. I almost lost the box, but managed to get it just before the notch-eared puppy pulled himself up to the rim, evidently determined to go back and do battle.
"What the hell is that?" Thomas screamed. His black hair, shoulder length, curling and glossy, whipped around his face as the car gathered speed and drew the cool autumn wind through the open windows. His grey eyes were wide with apprehension. "What is that, Harry?"
"Just drive!" I shouted. I stuffed the box of whimpering puppies into the backseat, grabbed my blasting rod, and climbed out the open window so that I was sitting on the door, chest to the car's roof. I twisted to bring the blasting rod in my right hand to bear on the demon. I drew in my will, my magic, and the end of the blasting rod began to glow with a cherry-red light.
I was about to loose a strike against the demon when it swooped down with another fireball in its hand and flung it at the car.
"Look out!" I screamed.
Thomas must have seen it coming in the mirror. The Beetle swerved wildly, and the fireball hit the asphalt, bursting into a roar of flame and concussion that broke windows on both sides of the street. Thomas dodged a car parked on the curb by roaring up onto the sidewalk, bounced gracelessly, and nearly went out of control. The bounce threw me from my perch on the closed door. I was wondering what the odds were against finding a soft place to land when I felt Thomas grab my ankle. He held on to me and drew me back into the car with a strength that would have been shocking to anyone who didn't know that he wasn't human.
He braced me with his hold on my leg, and as the huge demon dove down again, I pointed my blasting rod at it and snarled, "Fuego!"
A lance of white-hot fire streaked from the tip of my blasting rod into the late-night air, illuminating the street like a flash of lightning. Bouncing along on the car like that, I expected to miss. But I beat the odds and the burst of flame took Kongtron right in the belly. It screamed and faltered, plummeting to earth. Thomas swerved back out onto the street.
The demon started to get up. "Stop the car!" I screamed.
Thomas mashed down the brakes and I nearly got reduced to sidewalk pizza again. I hung on as hard as I could, but by the time I had my balance, the demon had hauled itself to its feet.
I growled in frustration, readied another blast, and aimed carefully.
"What are you doing?" Thomas shouted. "You lamed him; let's run!"
"No," I snapped back. "If we leave it here, it's going to take things out on whoever it can find."
"But it won't be us!"
I tuned Thomas out and readied another strike, pouring my will into the blasting rod until wisps of smoke began emerging from the length of its surface.
Then I let Kong have it right between its black beady eyes.
The fire hit it like a wrecking ball, right on the chin. The demon's head exploded into a cloud of luminous purple vapor and sparkles of scarlet light, which I have to admit looked really neat.
Demons who come into the mortal world don't have bodies as such. They create them, like a suit of clothes, and as long as the demon's awareness inhabits the construct-body, it's as good as real. Having its head blown up was too much damage for even the demon's life energy to support. The body flopped around on the ground for a few seconds, and then the Kong-demon's earthly form stopped moving and dissolved into a lumpy looking mass of translucent gelatin-ectoplasm, matter from the Nevernever.
A surge of relief made me feel a little dizzy, and I slid bonelessly back into the Beetle.
"Allow me to reiterate," Thomas panted a minute, later. "What. The hell. Was that."
I settled down onto the seat, breathing hard. I buckled up, and checked that the puppies and their box were both intact. They were, and I closed my eyes with a sigh. "Shen," I said. "Chinese spirit creatures. Demons. Shapeshifters."

"Christ, Dresden! You almost got me killed!"
"Don't be a baby. You're fine."
Thomas frowned at me. "You at least could have told me!"
"I did tell you," I said. "I told you at Mac's that I'd give you a ride home, but that I had to run an errand first."
Thomas scowled. "An errand is getting a tank of gas or picking up a carton of milk or something. It is not getting chased by flying purple pyromaniac gorillas hurling incendiary poo."
"Next time take the El."
He glared at me. "Where are we going?"
"O'Hare."
"Why?"
I waved vaguely at the backseat. "Returning stolen property to my client. He wants to get it back to Tibet, pronto."
"Anything else you're neglecting to tell me? Ninja wombats or something?"
"I wanted you to see how it feels," I said.
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"Come on, Thomas. You never go to Mac's place to hang out and chum around. You're wealthy, you've got connections, and you're a freaking vampire. You didn't need me to give you a ride home. You could have taken a cab, called for a limo, or talked some woman into taking you."
Thomas's scowl faded away, replaced by a careful, expressionless mask. "Oh? Then why am I here?"
I shrugged. "Doesn't look like you showed up to bushwhack me. I guess you're here to talk."
"Razor intellect. You should be a private investigator or something."
"You going to sit there insulting me, or are you going to talk?"
"Yeah," Thomas said. "I need a favor."

Furthermore, he's now a regional warden commander.
He is responsible for the eastern United States, including the biggest cities of the eastern seaboard, Midwest and Deep South, extending as far west as Dallas, TX. Just Chicago alone has a 6% Asian population; New York has 13% Asian population.

And supernaturals tend to follow the mortal ethnicities they were originally associated with; the most heavily Asian cities might be back in California, but the Chicago metro, the New York-Philadelphia metro, and the Atlanta metro have Asian populations well in excess of 5%.

Besides?
Yomi Wan has explicitly produced at least one Yama King willing to test Winter on the battlefield in this AU, which very much falls into the purview of someone who fucks with the Fae Courts as much as Dresden does.


The details and minutiae wont be known to Harry. General White Council policy certainly would be. He's literally had to fight Chinese shen demons onscreen in Blood Rites on behalf of a Tibetan monastery that hired him to retrieve Mouse's kidnapped siblings; it very much behooves him to know what the hell he might be dealing with.

Just like in Death Masks he was generally aware of the Fallen, even though he didnt know about the specifics of the Denarian order.
You know what thats fair though I doubt they'd give him everything they know. Also you know the regional thing butcher said is still a thing if injun joe isn't in suspicion because naagloshi are from navaho and hes from a thousand miles west well similar things probably apply to those who live in China. Given ancient mai is basically the councils head of diplomacy and lives in china so shes probably seen more than basically anyone.
 
Can we just off screen give a fuck ton of books to the court? Cause like I don't see much reason we wouldn't? We want them to learn about earth even if it's fucked up and censoring is kind of counter productive.
 
Dresden is regional warden commander for the eastern US, and someone who is very deeply entangled with the Fae.
And in this AU, Emma-O of Kakuri specifically tried to come to conclusions with Winter and got his army's ass kicked on the battlefield. Notable enemies of the Fae would be on his radar.

No way he wouldnt be aware of general Council policy towards Yomi Wan.

Hell, even before Mab entered the picture? Dresden was summoning Chaunzaggaroth when he was still 25 years old in Fool Moon.
He would have to be excruciatingly aware of what the White Council's policies were with regards to denizens of Hell, regardless of which Hell, to do so legally without risking getting a Warden sword through his neck.

I think we may be talking past each other a bit. Yes Harry would be aware of the Council's policy towards Kakuri, which is generally hostile, but there are a lot of Yama Kings, some of whom have regional interests, some of which barely interact with the world directly. It is conceivable than Harry has not been told everything that was known about all of them or that he did not ask.
 
No way he wouldnt be aware of general Council policy towards Yomi Wan.
Yomi Wan =/= Kakuri. And, besides, "Kakuri attacked me and mine, so let's see how White Council is dealing with it and its peers through the eyes of a diplomat" is a pretty logical opening. Harry is not a diplomat, and is from Chicago, and is pretty focused on local things.
 
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As an aside, now that we have crafting do we want to schedule a visit to Cleveland for that Rakasha?

Either to eat its soul and harvest the body for reagents or to compel it to make gossamer for us in exchange for not doing that.
 
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