Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

As an aside, now that we have crafting do we want to schedule a visit to Cleveland for that Rakasha?

Either to eat its soul and harvest the body for reagents or to compel it to make gossamer for us in exchange for not doing that.

Iku-Turso isn't in Cleveland, Molly can tell that much by the lack of madness, mutation and worship of primordial sea gods. There might be a weak spot you guys can open again if you want to try that and then fight the whole thing, but the White Council might take that poorly. :V
 
Iku-Turso isn't in Cleveland, Molly can tell that much by the lack of madness, mutation and worship of primordial sea gods. There might be a weak spot you guys can open again if you want to try that and then fight the whole thing, but the White Council might take that poorly. :V
Isn't it still in reality? It's just in a shoebox with a weak point facing Cleveland. Eventually it'll bother people again, and a growing primordial's gotta eat.

Might as well have a traditional Rakasha roast like her spiritual ancestors and solve a future problem at the same time.
 
Isn't it still in reality? It's just in a shoebox with a weak point facing Cleveland. Eventually it'll bother people again, and a growing primordial's gotta eat.

Might as well have a traditional Rakasha roast like her spiritual ancestors and solve a future problem at the same time.

There is certainly an affinity from wherever is is (to the extent that 'wherever' exists in relation to such beings) and Cleveland, but no, it is not in reality, that is called a Freehold and trust me you would notice that.
 
As an aside, now that we have crafting do we want to schedule a visit to Cleveland for that Rakasha?

Either to eat its soul and harvest the body for reagents or to compel it to make gossamer for us in exchange for not doing that.
I forgot all about that. We really should because its been going on in the backround.
Edit: Nvm lol
 
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Not much in the way of votes, but there does not seem to be much discussion either so vote closed
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  • [X] Yes, what your gleamed of her thoughts brought so many more questions than answers
    -[X] Empathy, Etiquette excellencies, ATB
    --[X] Use attack by Kakuri as the reason to be interested in diplomatic situation between White Council and Yomi hells, and Big Book of Yomi Wan without outright admitting to its authorship
    [X] Yes, what your gleamed of her thoughts brought so many more questions than answers
    [X] Empathy, Etiquette excellencies, ATB
    [X] No, see if she will approach you
 
Arc 10 Post 19: Battle Script
Battle Script

11th of December 2006 A.D.

Over the next day Warden Morgan dedicates himself to what at first seems a very narrow and technical investigation of the armed forces of the Five Cities, from the crises teams on call to backup detectives in over their heads to the Aug-infantry brigades in full exo-suits sheathed in Sub dermal Impact-Enhanced Gel to the point where they seem almost a species apart to the Stonebreaker artillery designed to shatter field bunkers and deliver fragmentation munitions into the middle of enemy formations. That morning you are looking over Glory class mag-skimmers, long range high payload bombers which were never even designed to come within sight of the enemy not to launch strategic missiles high enough in the atmosphere that they could ride the magnetic winds until they are near their target then with minimal fuel usage turn and unleash their payload. What is saved for on fuel is more than made up for with the balefire elemental that provides much of the destructive power and the rudimentary intelligence behind the blast.

Yet for all the dreadful power of these machines that is not really what the senior warden seeks, the questions that sharpen his gaze the most have to do with rules of engagement, past conflicts and expectations of future ones. For a while there you wonder how he would eve bring himself to trust the testimony, but then as you ponder the nosphere searches you realize he does not, at least not on their own. instead he has chosen to cast a wide a sphere as possible reasoning, correctly, that no conspiracy on your part could perfectly encompass an entire world at least not without limiting his access to information sources.

That is how he ends up at the a veteran's bar in the City of Law swapping war stories in the morning at a test firing by lunch and at the factory where they make magically conductive brass wires by evening. Charitably the fact that he has Harry deal with most of the paperwork might be due to seeing him as more reliable than the very inexperienced Carlos... but you will be keeping an eye on that. Thankfully Arte is fascinated with the process as much as with the visiting delegation themselves and he is just the kind of person who would spent moonturns looking not just through electronic files, but even ones writ in ink and parchment or carved in sheets of steel and stone.

As for Carlos Ramirez he ends up field testing a lot of things, not that he minds. That Stormhammer was not even designed to be lifted with merely mortal strength, but he is manages it on the second try, using his magic to manipulate weight and inertia in such a way that it is light to him and every bit as deadly to the intended target.

"This White Council does have some sense after all."

By now you have a decent guess what the voice at the back of your mind is going to say. "Because they are using the least experienced person to take the risks?"

"Your insight is unmatched Eternal Majesty Without Peer,"
he offers without delay or even a hint of sarcasm.

"Or you are getting very predictable...."

After allowing the thought to trail off you add with faux-worry. "Oh no, am I getting predictable."

The next person you approach might have many complaints about you but predictability is not one of them. Or so at least you hope.

Wu Min has been doing some reading of scrolls and books, for as she judges it accessing the nosphere is more akin to asking a spirit, or in this case a whole spirit court to give you information, which is not a thing do do lightly or for the sake of convenience alone. So you take a seat across from her, the privacy screen deploying automatically around you. "Honored sage, with respect I did not fully grasp what you meant about the change in the essence of things. There is no fount of darkness so deep that it cannot be brought to life, this I have been told, this I know to the depths of my own soul. "

The wizard, the diplomat, starts to speak, pauses, staples her hands then starts again, obviously in a more moderate tone than she would have before, and almost as obviously wanting you to see it.

"In principle Your Serene Majesty"—the title is a start to hear from someone beyond your world— "one might move a mountain with a tea spoon, that does not make spoons the tool of choice for excavation." She pauses a long moment looking out the window to the dojo below where Carlos was trying his luck against a practitioner of the House of Law, first of the Fivefold Howling.

"But are we speaking of spoons, excavators or anything between. Pardon my presumption but if we cannot even agree on terms..." you give a shrug that it is anything but as ponteneous as you make it seem.

"Scope is in the eye of the beholder," Wu Min begins, but you cut her off.

"I am more interested in the ear than the eye at the moment." As you speak a handful of flaming eyes flicker briefly around you like embers on the wind. "Supose for a moment that all this—" you wave at the window— "did not hang between us and I a seeker of wisdom.What did you mean by Essence? I know it by nature but not in any of the tongues of man."

"It is called many things by many traditions, for some it is mana, for others simply life, to the hunters of the shih it is chi, for the Wan Kuei of which some you have met it is Yin and Yang, stillness and motion, life and death, for the creatures of the Red Court it is blood, for they know not on what they feast, but beneath it all there is Essence, matter and energy, speech mind and spirit which flow into one another and yet..."

"Yes," you prompt, this is very close to the explanation you had given Bob, overly simplified yes, but basically correct and not something you had put in the Big Book.

"Simply because you know the roots of things does not mean you can change them or indeed that they should be changed. Ms Carpenter what do you know of a certain book that Warden Dresden delivered to the Council?"

"I wrote it."

No surprise marks her pale face at these stark words. "Generally tomes of demonology fall into two categories, those meant to entice and those written that men may better protect themselves. Your work seemed at first to be the latter and indeed I do not doubt that you meant it in great part for that..." The words are meant to mollify, but beneath the smooth tones of a diplomat doing their job you hear surpsise, at how much she had come to believe the fact. Good. Alas her next words dunk your words of satisfaction in cold water. "But on the whole it reads like a guide to assassination or conquest. Tell me, do you have any insights as to why that might be?"

What do you reply?

[] It is good to be proactive when dealing with such foes as the Yama Kings

[] This is the context in which those thoughts came to mind

[] This power I hold was long a weapon of war between the dark lords of Yomi

[] Write in


OOC: Good opening. Now the question is how much are you willing to risk opening up?
 
I have a horrible urge to say something like - Dwarf Fortress taught me so. Because if you are not conquering Hell what are you even doing?
Though in universe it should be a couple of years before it will become reality if I remember right.
 
Charitably the fact that he has Harry deal with most of the paperwork might be due to seeing him as more reliable than the very inexperienced Carlos...
Kek. That is all.
But on the whole it reads like a guide to assassination or conquest. Tell me, do you have any insights as to why that might be?"
Because we were hangry when writing it.

[X] This is the context in which those thoughts came to mind

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Suggesting that it was a policy of ours implies we think of the hell's that way and that the manipulation was intentional. Attributing it to the context alone gives away no more information than the other option and doesn't support the idea we were trying to tempt foolish wizards into becoming our hitmen.
 
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One thing to keep in mind in this conversation and in general, Molly is at the moment using Natural Mental influence, she talks and reads the other person very well, but as shown by Harry not being a sworn servant of [Insert Suave Bad Guy Here] there is a limit to how much that will work. All it takes is 1 willpower for someone to stonewall you. Do not assume that just because you have the big numbers it means the other side has to give you something. If you want to have assurances like that... well there are charms for that, but it's not the social excellencies.
 
One thing to keep in mind in this conversation and in general, Molly is at the moment using Natural Mental influence, she talks and reads the other person very well, but as shown by Harry not being a sworn servant of [Insert Suave Bad Guy Here] there is a limit to how much that will work. All it takes is 1 willpower for someone to stonewall you. Do not assume that just because you have the big numbers it means the other side has to give you something. If you want to have assurances like that... well there are charms for that, but it's not the social excellencies.
It depends on your intimacys. With the right intimacy every time you resist the seductive efforts of [Insert Suave Bad Guy Here] you get the willpower you spent right back. However if you don't have that sort of intimacy and are being forced to keep talking and can't join battle even stonewalls can be broken.

Of course many Exalted game that with the social banter just being a way to drain the enemy willpower before the fight. The pre battle banter is round 1.

That was off topic. My point is that spending willpower to stonewall represents you hanging up the phone, running away or joining battle to let the fists do the talking. It doesn't work if you keep talking.
 
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It depends on your intimacys. With the right intimacy every time you resist the seductive efforts of [Insert Suave Bad Guy Here] you get the willpower you spent right back. However if you don't have that sort of intimacy and are being forced to keep talking and can't join battle even stonewalls can be broken.

Of course many Exalted game that with the social banter just being a way to drain the enemy willpower before the fight. The pre battle banter is round 1.

While that is true and one of the ways in which Harry manages to resist so well for your purposes right now faced with a strong willed wizard (by definition) who you have to convince in a short amount of time attiring her willpower down isn't much of an option.
 
While that is true and one of the ways in which Harry manages to resist so well for your purposes right now faced with a strong willed wizard (by definition) who you have to convince in a short amount of time attiring her willpower down isn't much of an option.
I was a little off topic my point was that spending willpower to stonewall represents you hanging up the phone, locking the shadow in a cage, running away or joining battle to let the fists do the talking. It doesn't work if you keep talking.

Harry often picks the join battle option even when he has been completely out maneuvered and it is a terrible option. Stonewall is admitting that you have lost the social game and flipping the table to change the game.
 
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[x]Most of the insight came from Usum who has a grudge against the Yama Kings which stretches farther than recorded history.
 
I was a little off topic my point was that spending willpower to stonewall represents you hanging up the phone, locking the shadow in a cage, running away or joining battle to let the fists do the talking. It doesn't work if you keep talking.

Harry often picks the join battle option even when he has been completely out maneuvered and it is a terrible option. Stonewall is admitting that you have lost the social game and flipping the table to change the game.

It does not work arbitrarily, but if after a conversation about thing A someone asks you about thing B you can choose to just walk by spending willpower. Getting someone to talk to you about the weather is not the super special key to getting them to give you their life's savings if you just roll high enough.
 
It does not work arbitrarily, but if after a conversation about thing A someone asks you about thing B you can choose to just walk by spending willpower. Getting someone to talk to you about the weather is not the super special key to getting them to give you their life's savings if you just roll high enough.
Let's role play an example.

Someone "A" calls someone "B" on the phone with a scam designed to steal all their life savings. They completely overwhelm their target with social dice. "B" can't think of a single argument against this amazing deal however despite this he still doesn't want to invest and so spends willpower to stonewall.

However if "B" doesn't hang up the scammer "A" can just keep hammering on "B" no matter what the topic is and if "B" doesn't hang up and keeps talking eventually he is going to give up his life savings maybe not on the first scam, but maybe some other scam related to the weather like insurance.
 
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Let's role play an example.

Someone "A" calls someone "B" on the phone with a scam designed to steal all their life savings. They completely overwhelm their target with social dice. "B" can't think of a single argument against this amazing deal however despite this he still doesn't want to invest and so spends willpower to stonewall.

However if "B" doesn't hang up the scammer "A" can just keep hammering on "B" no matter what the topic is and if "B" doesn't hang up and keeps talking eventually he is going to give up his life savings maybe not on the first scam, but maybe some other scam related to the weather like insurance.

Yeah, but what if the original conversation was not about giving up all their life savings and was instead about something related but distinct, selling time shares let's say? Sure they would get all the time shares in, but if they then want to get them to invest in Scammer Coin that is another conversation.

To get back to the quest Molly is right now quite sure she has Wu Mei's support for the alliance since she has been engaging on it and has been receptive to arguments. But what we have above is the related but distinct subject of 'what do you know about Essence and me in general?'.
 
[X] In the long ages between its forging and me obtaining it, my crown has been used by the forces of Yomi as a weapon. It seemed fitting to use what taint they tried to smear it with as a weapon against them.
 
Yeah, but what if the original conversation was not about giving up all their life savings and was instead about something related but distinct, selling time shares let's say? Sure they would get all the time shares in, but if they then want to get them to invest in Scammer Coin that is another conversation.

To get back to the quest Molly is right now quite sure she has Wu Mei's support for the alliance since she has been engaging on it and has been receptive to arguments. But what we have above is the related but distinct subject of 'what do you know about Essence and me in general?'.
In a case like this where we are trying to get information and convincing her to tell us is just one method Wu Mei kind of has to walk away or we are likely just going to keep cold reading bits of information off of her.

It depends on how aggressive Molly wants to be. If we go full interrogation where Molly talks and watch her reactions there isn't much Wu Mei can do.

Of course I think that the best method is to pretend to know far more than we do and use cold reading to stay ahead of the conversation.

[X] Pretend to know more than you actually do, but much is dangerous to know and you need to gauge how much she knows before you talk openly about it. Oblique references that hint at much is the name of the game.
 
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"I am more interested in the ear than the eye at the moment." As you speak a handful of flaming eyes flicker briefly around you like embers on the wind. "Supose for a moment that all this—" you wave at the window— "did not hang between us and I a seeker of wisdom.What did you mean by Essence? I know it by nature but not in any of the tongues of man."

"It is called many things by many traditions, for some it is mana, for others simply life, to the hunters of the shih it is chi, for the Wan Kuei of which some you have met it is Yin and Yang, stillness and motion, life and death, for the creatures of the Red Court it is blood, for they know not on what they feast, but beneath it all there is Essence, matter and energy, speech mind and spirit which flow into one another and yet..."
So, this is not White Council lore. Dresden, who was trained by Blackstuff, isn't using this terminology and isn't, as I understand it, aware of this - he didn't know what Essence was when Lash used the term (when Molly was Becoming). It might be some deep Eastern lore, but I am betting on "dragonseed who failed to exalt but still has magical gift".
 
So, this is not White Council lore. Dresden, who was trained by Blackstuff, isn't using this terminology and isn't, as I understand it, aware of this - he didn't know what Essence was when Lash used the term (when Molly was Becoming). It might be some deep Eastern lore, but I am betting on "dragonseed who failed to exalt but still has magical gift".

I know I keep beating this drum but to be clear what I said about the White Council having no law but the Laws and not much in the way of getting wizards to do what they want as an institution applies to sharing knowledge. Also the master-apprentice system is inevitably going to perpetuate some lore staying within certain lines of teaching.
 
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