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By the way isn't it implied that the fae are somewhat involved in disney?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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It is implied that they were involved in the survival and flourishing of fairy tales, but on a fey scale that could as easily be the Brothers Grimm writing down stories as Disney adapting them.
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Could of just been stuff like financial support and a few meeting between certain fae and mortals occasionally too.
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We also have a jar of gossamer for potential transactions too IIRC.
VOTE
[X]Plan Pendragon
-[X]Gift car: Delivery to Mac's parking lot by delivery truck, and covered with waterproof car cover
-[X]Bring gossamer with us just in case in a briefcase.
-[X]Greeting: "Hello".
-[X]Charms
--[X]Impervious Primacy Mantle: 1wp
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]Empathy + Etiquette Excellency as needed: 2m
-[X]Outfit: Black suit, black/grey shirt, black tie, black shoes.
STATUS
Willpower: 6/9wp
Essence: 11/12m
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Impervious Primacy Mantle: Immunity to UMI, scenelong
All Things Betray: -3DC to Perception rolls, scenelong
Hellscry Chakra: CoD detector. See anima/aura. Roll Per + Occult at DC6 for subtleties. Scenelong
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I was tempted to replace the greeting with, "As you requested, so I have called"
Just to see if Mab recognized what she was cribbing.
[X]Plan Pendragon
-[X]Gift car: Delivery to Mac's parking lot by delivery truck, and covered with waterproof car cover
-[X]Bring gossamer with us just in case in a briefcase.
-[X]Greeting: "Hello".
-[X]Charms
--[X]Impervious Primacy Mantle: 1wp
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]Empathy + Etiquette Excellency as needed: 2m
-[X]Outfit: Black suit, black/grey shirt, black tie, black shoes.
STATUS
Willpower: 6/9wp
Essence: 11/12m
===
Impervious Primacy Mantle: Immunity to UMI, scenelong
All Things Betray: -3DC to Perception rolls, scenelong
Hellscry Chakra: CoD detector. See anima/aura. Roll Per + Occult at DC6 for subtleties. Scenelong
===
I was tempted to replace the greeting with, "As you requested, so I have called"
Just to see if Mab recognized what she was cribbing.
[X] Plan "Etiquette"
-[X] Best formal attire - use etiquette excellency while selecting it in order to appear inoffensive but independent and powerful without being challenging
-[X] Activate IPM and ATB with Willpower (1 WP), Hellscry Chakra and Etiquette Excellency
-[X] Formally greet Mab, as an independent power would
-[X] Inquire what she wanted to meet about.
-[X] Gift car: Delivery to Mac's parking lot by delivery truck, and covered with waterproof car cover
I want Mab to make the first move. Also, milk those excellencies. IPM and ATB with Willpower to allow for a maximum amount of excellencies to be used.
-[X] Best formal attire - use etiquette excellency while selecting it in order to appear inoffensive but independent and powerful without being challenging
-[X] Activate IPM and ATB with Willpower (1 WP), Hellscry Chakra and Etiquette Excellency
-[X] Formally greet Mab, as an independent power would
-[X] Inquire what she wanted to meet about.
-[X] Gift car: Delivery to Mac's parking lot by delivery truck, and covered with waterproof car cover
I want Mab to make the first move. Also, milk those excellencies. IPM and ATB with Willpower to allow for a maximum amount of excellencies to be used.
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Gifts are given/exchanged BEFORE the meeting starts.
If you are trying to butter someone up for negotiations, it doesnt help if the gift is given after the meeting has completed.
The idea of a major clade of supernatural beings only being native to Europe is a bit ridiculous. What makes you think that the Miksani and similar "fae" must originally come from Europe rather than being native to the region they live in and the culture that has them in their myths? The Nevernever and magic are a global phenomenon. Why must the beings who live in it only come from a small region of the globe in an extremely limited timeframe rather than arise and spread out naturally like any other form of life?
The use of the term "wild fae" is an excellent example of Summer / Winter dominating the supernatural world as an imperialist power. We have entire civilizations and cultures defined purely by their relationship to the predominant power. It is a clear demonstration of social manipulation and cultural arrogance to define Winter / Summer as the only legitimate Fae civilization with all other systems being collectively derided as "wild". Creating a paradigm in which anyone who resists or lives outside the dominant system are defined as some form of barbarian is a classic example of imperialism.
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In this case we have the better offer.
Knowledge about Nemesis in her highest positions is more important than anything she might know about our Exaltation.
The gift comes at the end to leave no hard feelings after the negotiations.
Some fey do indeed originate from outside Europe (I don't care what Butcher says on this one it's just as silly as Wan Kuei only exist in East Asia as if those are the only places souls can drawn back from hell). That said Winter and Summer are not just political labels they are the poles of unrestrained passion and unwavering reason. Whether one thinks the extremes are better than the middle ground or not the fact remains that they are qualitatively different in a way no human polities ever were.
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Because fae are a newish species how is that ridiculous? Also dude the courts I'm not even sure they invented the term why else would all the wyld fae still call themselves wyld fae? They were literally formed from some ritual. Also species still have origins we know for a fact that fae as they are were literally made. So yes they have a european origin. There are plenty of species that don't have a european origin fae do though. Literally every type we've seen does that includes wyldfae they have as european an origin as any else. Ogres are wyldfae for fuck sakes.
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I just figured the fae grew out over the years and if you count that as non european origin then okay? Like the species was created at a certain point and changed from there? The same way I'd say that kenku are from japan probably. Temple dogs are probably from Tibet right?
They Courts are syncretic, they have to be with the way they tap into universal concepts so while they themselves started in Europe as they spread out over the world they came to include spirits from all over the world that filled a analogous roles. At least that is how I see it since the idea that something as primordial as the seasons are defined solely by a Northern European Celtic/Germanic lens is... kind of silly.
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Eh I mean I don't think europe owns those concepts so much as the courts originated there and you know moved around. It doesn't really make said places more important just that said places are where a certain event happened. Like the location doesn't really matter much. Also I'm not sure we've seen literally any signs they are syncretic. Though fae have human origins so I guess converting humans from different places over the years counts. Also faith might influence them I mean they mess with story books for a reason.
Edit: Doesn't this just ignore the courts are new? Also that fae are a specific supernatural species with defined characteristics?
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They are definitely new, but they did not start up with dominion over the seasons, all of cold, all plagues. to have worldwide impact you have to gain worldwide primacy. Some of that was conquest, some diplomacy and some a mix of both.
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I'm fairly sure your gonna be wrong if any reveals happen in the books. Like they could of as easily murdered something that had said characteristics and none of the fact that it started in europe means said concepts were limited to there. I mean even now a lot of the courts projection power is in Europe and parts of America. Like fae in south america the vast majority would be wyld fae, same for africa. Also I'm unsure they even have complete authority so much as active access to reality and defense of the outer gates. I'm fairly sure gods of the seasons still you know exist in the nevernever and some are probably even just roleplaying in unimportant mortal roles. Considering they apparently used something similar to the darkhallow to do what they did and chicago would of made the ritual user as powerful as Mab. But, not the mother or the entirety of the court much less both courts. Well fuck I dunno what they could of eaten maybe a pantheon of gods fuck.
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I mean butchers said "Though, as fundamentally northern-hemisphere, basically Western European beings, they don't have the kind of absolute reign there that they enjoy in other parts of the world, and their relationships there consist more of strong alliances and consensus influence among a much larger population of Wyld fae." They literally aren't completely worldwide
Edit: Also all of this seems to be coming from a perspective that the universe needs to be fair and all inclusive or something? Though I guess with the statement that the way God hasn't changed the way people see him in setting changes though. does kinda preclude that there may be some inclusivity of various beings since perception clearly does things.
Edit: Also all of this seems to be coming from a perspective that the universe needs to be fair and all inclusive or something? Though I guess with the statement that the way God hasn't changed the way people see him in setting changes though. does kinda preclude that there may be some inclusivity of various beings since perception clearly does things.
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No.
It was created in secret, without active opposition. Which was why the armies of the gods managed to achieve tactical and strategic surprise at the beginning of the War.
You dont actually think the Primordials watched the gods make godkiller weapons and the support structure for them and all the logistical preparation for a war and didn't do shit, do you?
Yeah.
That does not appear to be independent.
I have to get back to you on this.
That said, its a Hell for a reason, with the rules of the Thousand Hells sourcebook.
They dont have majority devil populations that I recall.
Feel free to do it as you wish.
Im just pointing out how gifts are given in diplomatic circles and why. You dont ameliorate hard feelings from a hard negotiation with a car, but you might soften someone up before the meeting with one.
But like I said, do as you wish.
Because thats apparently Dresdenverse mythology.
There were, and apparently still are, different clades native to different regions; I quote:
I found Stu's pistol on the ground where I'd dropped it during the struggle. Then I followed Butters to his car—an old Plymouth Road Runner. It looked almost worse than my old VW Beetle had the last time I'd seen it. Dents and dings covered its all-steel frame, and some of them looked suspiciously like they'd been raked into the metal with a two-pronged claw—but its engine throbbed with impressive, harmonious power. Its license plates read: MEEPMEEP.
"I kinda traded in my old one," Butters told me as I got in, going straight through the door. I didn't make any noise about the discomfort. Not in front of Butters. It would totally blow my ghostly cool.
"For another old one," I said. My voice issued out of the radio he slipped into a clip attached to the car's sun visor.
"I like steel better than fiberglass," he said. "The Fomor and the faeries are apparently related. Neither one of them likes the touch of any metal with iron in it."
Bob's skull rested in a container that had been custom mounted on the Road Runner's dash—a wooden frame set on a plate that made the skull wobble back and forth like a bobblehead doll. "Lot of interbreeding there," Bob said. "Back in the old, old, old days. Before the Sidhe Wars."
I lifted my eyebrows. "I haven't heard much about it."
"Crazy stuff," Bob said with tremendous enthusiasm. "Even before my time, but I've heard all kinds of stories. The Daoine Sidhe, the Tuatha, the Fomor, the Tylwyth Teg, the Shen. Epic alliances, epic betrayals, epic battles, epic weddings, epic sex—"
"Epic sex?" I sputtered. "By what standards, precisely, is sex judged to be epic?"
"And tons and tons of mortal simps like you used as pawns." Bob sighed happily, ignoring my question. "There are no words. It was like The Lord of the Rings and All My Children made a baby with the Macho Man Randy Savage and a Whac-A-Mole machine."
Butters sputtered at that image.
But . . . I mean, Hell's bells. Who wouldn't?
"I kinda traded in my old one," Butters told me as I got in, going straight through the door. I didn't make any noise about the discomfort. Not in front of Butters. It would totally blow my ghostly cool.
"For another old one," I said. My voice issued out of the radio he slipped into a clip attached to the car's sun visor.
"I like steel better than fiberglass," he said. "The Fomor and the faeries are apparently related. Neither one of them likes the touch of any metal with iron in it."
Bob's skull rested in a container that had been custom mounted on the Road Runner's dash—a wooden frame set on a plate that made the skull wobble back and forth like a bobblehead doll. "Lot of interbreeding there," Bob said. "Back in the old, old, old days. Before the Sidhe Wars."
I lifted my eyebrows. "I haven't heard much about it."
"Crazy stuff," Bob said with tremendous enthusiasm. "Even before my time, but I've heard all kinds of stories. The Daoine Sidhe, the Tuatha, the Fomor, the Tylwyth Teg, the Shen. Epic alliances, epic betrayals, epic battles, epic weddings, epic sex—"
"Epic sex?" I sputtered. "By what standards, precisely, is sex judged to be epic?"
"And tons and tons of mortal simps like you used as pawns." Bob sighed happily, ignoring my question. "There are no words. It was like The Lord of the Rings and All My Children made a baby with the Macho Man Randy Savage and a Whac-A-Mole machine."
Butters sputtered at that image.
But . . . I mean, Hell's bells. Who wouldn't?
That I remember, anyway.
PS
The Sidhe Wars were apparently before the Fae Courts were created, or Winter was given its current responsibilities.
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Butcher is bad at consistency and sense of scale, for two reasons:
A) Winter is the thing that is keeping all of reality from falling to the Outside so it being unable to project power say south of the Panama makes no sense
B) The make up of the Nevernever is such that conventional geography has no bearing on power projection
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Projection is probably a bad word so much as power bases. Can't exactly have an established power base everywhere when your numbers aren't you know in the billions. Fuck population in the billions doesn't even provide a complete established power base. I see no inconsistency here it just seems something you dislike which your calling an inconsistency sorry.
To be clear here, the core of the Courts power is in the Northern Hemisphere and they do not go out of their way to conquer other parts of the world, but fey aligned to the courts exist everywhere empowering and to some extend defining them.
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By everywhere you mean spheres of power right and not literally everywhere? Like there can't be a sphere of fae power in literally every country right?