Like, stride into battle in ridiculously impractical ceremonial armour? I could see that, yeah.
I'd say increasingly complex layers of it, if possible. Because the harder it is to get into the outfit, the more it suggests having an on-call staff who exist entirely for the purpose of personally dressing you and keeping your varied wardrobe in good repairs.

We're talking like, the Gothic Lolita standard in superheavy plate.
 
I think there's room for all the ideas, depending on the given Infernal. Except the one with bullshit amounts of magical trinkets. Magic is not quite so easy to find. Nor do I particularly care for a signature Infernal wearing armor custom-forged from dozens of murdered mortals. Let's not go back to 2E Abyssal of over-the-top EEEEEEEEEVIIIILLLL.
I agree; there's room for a nearly naked Infernal who displays her wealth simultaneously with a middle finger to the regional norms of where she or he grew up. Presentation is important, though, and that Infernal isn't the "maximize decadence display" Infernal; she's more about displaying newfound power and wealth to mock whoever she dislikes.

Also, maybe best handled with more care than was presented, seeing the pre-existing baggage Exalted has re: bikini witches.
 
I agree; there's room for a nearly naked Infernal who displays her wealth simultaneously with a middle finger to the regional norms of where she or he grew up. Presentation is important, though, and that Infernal isn't the "maximize decadence display" Infernal; she's more about displaying newfound power and wealth to mock whoever she dislikes.

Also, maybe best handled with more care than was presented, seeing the pre-existing baggage Exalted has re: bikini witches.
Oh, I agree, it definitely should have been handled with more care. I was actually serious about the nearly-naked Infernal being a guy. I phrased it jokingly, but I really think that would have been better received. Any Exalt can be going around nearly nude, there's no particular reason it needs to be female, and I think there would have been more benefits re: being obviously more gender-equal to make the near-nude Infernal a guy. I think more games, honestly, could do with keeping that in mind. Unless they're legit going for 'appeal to the mostly-male audience', I guess, but meh on those games.
 
Still not really IMO, because you could have more expensive shit on.
Well I was only really talking about a base layer anyway, but my point was more about basically wearing as much expensive stuff as you can, but substituting high-volume garb like silk robes and velvet jackets and cloth-of-gold for scented oils and bodypaint and probably that scene from Cold Days where Maeve was wearing diamonds all over and probably more ideas I can't think of.

Really, if you want to go full decadence then you use all of these, one by one, discarding outfits worth a kings ransom in favour of some new whimsy or fashion.
 
Nor do I particularly care for a signature Infernal wearing armor custom-forged from dozens of murdered mortals. Let's not go back to 2E Abyssal of over-the-top EEEEEEEEEVIIIILLLL.
As-ever, it all comes down to the presentation of these things. Maybe those mortal souls are from the true believers of her cults who willingly gave themselves over to the rightful champion of the yozis? Maybe they were the walking-wounded of her legions who wished to be immortalized as one last display of usefulness towards the cause? Its all just another form of hoarding what is Yours and no one else's.

Ultimately though, using "decadence" as a by-word for "bad guy" inevitably falls into equal parts cackling evil and over-the-top theatrics anyway, because even the word "decadence" is hinged on the idea of an objective measurement of moral decay and debasement of the self and others in the pursuit of unnecessary excesses. All I pointed out was a Lack of excess involved. The specifics I tossed out aren't really the point of the argument insofar as the message being sent, that her "thing" is how she expresses social and physical power over people needlessly, enough that she owns and treats them as objects.

And sometimes that can be extremely literal.
 
As-ever, it all comes down to the presentation of these things. Maybe those mortal souls are from the true believers of her cults who willingly gave themselves over to the rightful champion of the yozis? Maybe they were the walking-wounded of her legions who wished to be immortalized as one last display of usefulness towards the cause? Its all just another form of hoarding what is Yours and no one else's.

Ultimately though, using "decadence" as a by-word for "bad guy" inevitably falls into equal parts cackling evil and over-the-top theatrics anyway, because even the word "decadence" is hinged on the idea of an objective measurement of moral decay and debasement of the self and others in the pursuit of unnecessary excesses. All I pointed out was a Lack of excess involved. The specifics I tossed out aren't really the point of the argument insofar as the message being sent, that her "thing" is how she expresses social and physical power over people needlessly, enough that she owns and treats them as objects.

And sometimes that can be extremely literal.
You're right, I'm sorry, I may have read your post unfairly. That does make sense.
 
The problem here is that this Infernal is boring. It's got nothing to do with tits and shit, just that she's so damn generic.
 
Why do you need a separate Charm for compression if you already can place one message into another message without any fuss? Just designate 'anyone reading this' as the intended recipients, and now you can do a de facto non-hidden version.
Because Letter in Letter can't allow you to read the entirety of A Song of Ice and Fire and understand every intricate nuance, by flipping through a few pages. Or perhaps in a better application, if somebody asked you what's so hot about solar Jesus and you give them a condensed copy of the solar bible he can understand with minimal effort and almost no time.
 
Because Letter in Letter can't allow you to read the entirety of A Song of Ice and Fire and understand every intricate nuance, by flipping through a few pages. Or perhaps in a better application, if somebody asked you what's so hot about solar Jesus and you give them a condensed copy of the solar bible he can understand with minimal effort and almost no time.
Hmm. The Charm description doesn't seem to preclude stacking the whole saga into a few pages, but it doesn't seem to speed up reading the message either, so I see your point now.
Yeah, allowing everyone to speed-read one's messages can be useful.
 
The idea that her waltzing about almost naked is a statement of casual power only really works when the first thing a reader compares it to isn't... Most ladies' fantasy armor, which does that anyway.
No, man, it shows off how confident she is in her own body.
Also, it demonstrates how powerful she is, because she doesn't even need clothes!
What are you, a sexist, saying women can't wear what they want?

She's a
STRONG
FEMALE
CHARACTER
 
Nah, you're not looking at it the right way. You got the fetish armour and scissor sword which is represented by Artifacts, inhuman abilities which are charms, and the evil clothes can a First Circle Demon of some kind, new breed of Fair Folk, or First Age Creation.
That merely means that, in some cases, Exalted can, in some ways, resemble Kill la Kill.
 
Information: Official Staff Communication
Question how would I pull this off?
/snip whole panel of a comic/
I'm thinking either a Spell or a charm, probably a Metagoas or Lunar, with a Shaping Keyword.

official staff communication Yo.

Reposting whole pages of comics isn't okay unless the creator has said they don't mind them being reposted. As far as I know, the Kill Six Billion Demons creator hasn't. I've removed the strip in question. Please don't post any comic panels in full again, even incredibly cool ones like KSBD. A link to the relevant page on the webcomic itself would probably be fine, though.

Thanks for your time.
 
Holden said:
"If I had time and budget for a proper commission, the character would probably be wearing significantly less (only jewels and golden adornments), lounging on a mound of jade and silver and fine furs, with blood-apes waving peacock-feather fans at her, an angyalka playing Time for her pleasure, and servant-boys pouring fine wine into a jeweled chalice held in one blood-stained hand. Just to really hammer the idea in good and hard."
Just to go back to this for a moment, it struck me that this particular image isn't even unique within the context of Exalted. And it actually shows up on page 211 of the Lunars manual representing the absolute worst of Raksi's characterization within the books, literally lounging naked while preparing to eat a squalling baby. I'd link the image myself but its understandably a tad nsfw for this board, so you folks know where to find it.

But that's the trend he wants to especially highlight here. Amazing.
 
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My personnel opinion is that having the Infernal version of the Dawn Caste be strongly connected to both the themes of hedonism and skill at war presents an interesting dichotomy that can be used as the seed for some interesting character development. While I am very disappointed that the developers of the 3rd edition can think of no better way to demonstrate this dichotomy than with the image of a stereotypical "Scantily Clad Women Warrior" I am still very interested in seeing their take on this character archetype. I really disliked the simplistic depiction of the Slayer Caste Infernal as being rage driven berserkers and hope that this update will lead to the development of more nuanced characters.

I would love to see if any of the more artistic members of this forum could think of a better way to showcase this character archetype. This would preferably be in a manner that does not draw upon overused artistic tropes or rely on blatant pandering to the portion of the fanbase that simply likes to ogle naked women.
 
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Ultimately though, using "decadence" as a by-word for "bad guy" inevitably falls into equal parts cackling evil and over-the-top theatrics anyway, because even the word "decadence" is hinged on the idea of an objective measurement of moral decay and debasement of the self and others in the pursuit of unnecessary excesses. All I pointed out was a Lack of excess involved. The specifics I tossed out aren't really the point of the argument insofar as the message being sent, that her "thing" is how she expresses social and physical power over people needlessly, enough that she owns and treats them as objects.
I don't think the "your swords go 'ping' off my skin" shtick is actually part of the decadence thing. Holden also cited "casual power" as an Infernal motif when talking about Basphomy, and the other 3E signature Dawnoid with nekkid super-tough skin* is introduced in a chapter fiction where he picks a fight with a room full of elite soldiers for the lulz.

Also, it's questionable whether decadence is supposed to signal bad guy, since Basphomy's the only 3E Infernal we've seen and there's been dev commentary that she's no worse than anti-heroic.

*I do hope they don't go for a hat trick with the sig Dusk. I like my spiky black Nazgul armor.
the evil clothes can a First Circle Demon of some kind
Perroneles are only sexy to certain specialized tastes.
 
I don't think the "your swords go 'ping' off my skin" shtick is actually part of the decadence thing. Holden also cited "casual power" as an Infernal motif when talking about Basphomy, and the other 3E signature Dawnoid with nekkid super-tough skin* is introduced in a chapter fiction where he picks a fight with a room full of elite soldiers for the lulz.

Also, it's questionable whether decadence is supposed to signal bad guy, since Basphomy's the only 3E Infernal we've seen and there's been dev commentary that she's no worse than anti-heroic.

*I do hope they don't go for a hat trick with the sig Dusk. I like my spiky black Nazgul armor.
Perroneles are only sexy to certain specialized tastes.
She, uh. Burns people to death for insults. She's pretty villainous.
 
She, uh. Burns people to death for insults. She's pretty villainous.
*shrug* All I know is, the devs have said otherwise.
John Mørke said:
Basphomy in Verdigris is an anti-hero at her worst. Not evil.
Wandering said:
I don't know how accurate it is, but in my head I've already decided to describe Basphomy as "Looks like Dejah Thoris, acts like John Carter."
Holden said:
That's reasonably accurate.
And "offended" is a pretty vague term. Like, I'm comfortable calling John Carter "offended" when he kills a Green Martian for mistreating a prisoner.
 
I'd say increasingly complex layers of it, if possible. Because the harder it is to get into the outfit, the more it suggests having an on-call staff who exist entirely for the purpose of personally dressing you and keeping your varied wardrobe in good repairs.

We're talking like, the Gothic Lolita standard in superheavy plate.
Given SWLIHN Charms, outfits that are impractical or literally impossible to move effectively in are also a potential option.

Think, like, Victoriana mixed with 13th-century-exaggeration Japanese kabuki outfits.
 
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