Don't mistake the mechanics for a reality simulator, are we to also believe that the rules for jumping apply equally to all, so that it's a common thing to see mortals leap twenty feet into the air?

Of course, Manus! That's why mammoths in Creation defend themselves from predators by bouncing around like they're on a pogo stick! And we can tell Tyrant Lizards are related to birds by the flight-like parabolic arcs they follow while on the hunt!
 
Of course, Manus! That's why mammoths in Creation defend themselves from predators by bouncing around like they're on a pogo stick! And we can tell Tyrant Lizards are related to birds by the flight-like parabolic arcs they follow while on the hunt!

They're called Tyrant Lizards because like a true tyrant, they have the ability to force even gravity to obey their dictates, as shown by their massive vertical leaps.
 
Of course, Manus! That's why mammoths in Creation defend themselves from predators by bouncing around like they're on a pogo stick! And we can tell Tyrant Lizards are related to birds by the flight-like parabolic arcs they follow while on the hunt!
Ah yes, the Tyrant Lizard, a fearsome hunter that preys on bird populations by regularly leaping twenty metres into the air and eating five of them at once with every bite. Remember that in Creation, walled cities add spikes to every roof in order to guard against jumping hoplite formations, such as how in Exalted the Peloponnesian War ended approximately a week after it started, when the entire Spartan army leapt over the Long Walls of Athenai and countered the Athenian naval advantage by leaping from ship to ship in a single phalanx formation.
 
Ah yes, the Tyrant Lizard, a fearsome hunter that preys on bird populations by regularly leaping twenty metres into the air and eating five of them at once with every bite. Remember that in Creation, walled cities add spikes to every roof in order to guard against jumping hoplite formations, such as how in Exalted the Peloponnesian War ended approximately a week after it started, when the entire Spartan army leapt over the Long Walls of Athenai and countered the Athenian naval advantage by leaping from ship to ship in a single phalanx formation.

You just made me remember the fucking 2e War rules that let you turn on Monkey Leap while leading a mass combat unit and do exactly that. aaaaaaaugh
 
You just made me remember the fucking 2e War rules that let you turn on Monkey Leap while leading a mass combat unit and do exactly that. aaaaaaaugh
I'm just saying that we need to consider the strategic realities of Creation. This is the interesting implications that Exalted was made to consider. Think of all the advantages that the Prodigious Pogo-jumping Phalanx might have. This is what Exalted needs Holden.
 
Rules 4 & 5: Immediately returning to a thread and continuing the behaviour that caused a temporary ban.
You just made me remember the fucking 2e War rules that let you turn on Monkey Leap while leading a mass combat unit and do exactly that. aaaaaaaugh
You, of all people, have the least room to start getting your yuks up about convoluted subsystems that lead to garbage-output mechanics.
 
You, of all people, have the least room to start getting your yuks up about convoluted subsystems that lead to garbage-output mechanics.
Oh my fucking God, let's have the discussion we've had a billion times before to no result because no one wants to fucking give an inch, because Holden made the mistake of making an entirely unrelated post in the thread. That sounds like a fantastic idea. I love it.

EDIT: Like, this thread is laughingstock on the rest of the internet because of shit like this. Because it is the only Exalted thread that regularly explodes into these kinds of stupid attacks over nothing, the only thread that has three separate 5-page arguments the morality of Raksi. Is it impossible to just chill out for two seconds and discuss something actually interesting or cool. Think about that, 4chan's Exalted General is more chill than this.
 
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Oh my fucking God, let's have the discussion we've had a billion times before to no result because no one wants to fucking give an inch, because Holden made the mistake of making an entirely unrelated post in the thread. That sounds like a fantastic idea. I love it.
Listen, I know you're in love with the idea of rubbing elbows with a published book-writer for a game you play regardless of how bad that book and their resulting attitude might actually be, but lets get one thing right here, okay?

Holden has made several mistakes.

Also, this "FOR SHAME THREAD, WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" faux-hysterics is a real tiresome method to stonewall people from voicing negative opinions rather than just saying so. If you're so twisted up in knots over what other threads elsewhere think of this one, let alone fucking 4chan as some kind of arbiter for discussion quality, maybe you should take some time off in the Exalted Questions thread instead? That one gets plenty of the traffic you're looking for.
 
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Staff Notice: Please refrain from this level of condescension.
Listen, I know you're in love with the idea of rubbing elbows with a published book-writer for a game you play regardless of how bad that book and their resulting attitude might actually be, but lets get one thing right here, okay?

Holden has made several mistakes.
Cute, but I don't actually care. I am running a game with Storypath, not Exalted 3e and have several times in this game explained my dislike for several of the mechanics in Third Edition. I'm friends with @EarthScorpion, @Imrix and @Aleph; all vocally against 3e. Yet, it was you who out of nowhere erupted into something that can only blatantly be summarized as a complete lack of respect for a fellow poster on the forum, and you are the one, who when challenged on this responds to personal insinuations and something that can only be called dishonesty of the highest rank. Don't play games Dif, we all know you're just as guilty of ulterior motives as you accuse me of. What's happening here is not me trying to suppress you so I can rub elbows with a guy who wrote an edition that took three years to release, what's happening is that you're being an asshole and I'm showing you the door.
 
This might not be my place to say, but I'd rather we not escalate this further. I've skimmed bits of this thread before I joined the site, and the arguments I came across of this sort rarely seemed to reach any sort of consensus save 'agree to disagree'.

I myself would like to more of the setting in 3e as opposed to 2e. I understand an island nation called the Caul's been added? I understand it has something of a significant Lunar presence, but little beyond that. Could someone give me a brief rundown of its situation, or should I take that question to the questions thread?
 
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Don't play games Dif, we all know you're just as guilty of ulterior motives as you accuse me of. What's happening here is not me trying to suppress you so I can rub elbows with a guy who wrote an edition that took three years to release, what's happening is that you're being an asshole and I'm showing you the door.
Yeah, that one is a real black mark on my record, I'm sure, being disrespectful here to a guy who by turns holds this thread and the folks in it in contempt but is also totally game to slum down here when it helps shill his work. When no one can point at a habitual shit-stirrer and call them on it to their face, you might as well tag this thread with a [+] tag, because we're going full rpg.net on refusing to call a spade a spade for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

And ulterior motives nothing, I may well be the asshole here but at least that's an actionable position one can hold, rather getting up in arms about Civility Discourse and hand-wringing endlessly about how disagreements mean people make might fun of us on the internet, oh no!
 
Yeah, that one is a real black mark on my record, I'm sure, being disrespectful here to a guy who by turns holds this thread and the folks in it in contempt but is also totally game to slum down here when it helps shill his work. When no one can point at a habitual shit-stirrer and call them on it to their face, you might as well tag this thread with a [+] tag, because we're going full rpg.net on refusing to call a spade a spade for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

And ulterior motives nothing, I may well be the asshole here but at least that's an actionable position one can hold, rather getting up in arms about Civility Discourse and hand-wringing endlessly about how disagreements mean people make might fun of us on the internet, oh no!
Yeah, but you like. Went after a person for daring to express an opinion after making systems that you really dislike. That seems...excessive to me?
 
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Also, this "FOR SHAME THREAD, WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" faux-hysterics is a real tiresome method to stonewall people from voicing negative opinions rather than just saying so. If you're so twisted up in knots over what other threads elsewhere think of this one, let alone fucking 4chan as some kind of arbiter for discussion quality, maybe you should take some time off in the Exalted Questions thread instead? That one gets plenty of the traffic you're looking for.
Yes, that's right. I'm trying to suppress people from expressing negative opinions, you caught my game Dif. You got me. I love Third Edition and I love Holden, every day I pray at his altar and kiss my copy of Exalted Third Edition Deluxe Gold in the hope that it will be blessed.

Or maybe.

Just maybe.

I don't consider a naked personal attack like the one you posted against Holden, and then in demonstration of your beautiful skills at argumentation, extended to me exactly sterling argumentation. You're not raising interesting discourse, you're not "expressing negative opinions", we just had a discussion where @Zero Gravitas and @DayDreamer expressed negative opinions of something in 3e and it was fine. It was cool, it was interesting; we got some nice discussion out of it. Likely those don't agree entirely with my argument and I don't agree with theirs, but not a single personal attack was fired. I'm not trying to shut critique and negative opinions down, Dif. I'm not the one calling people hysterics, I'm not the one resorting to at minimum one ad hominem per post, I'm not the one trying to chase people out of the thread. You are Dif. You know well you are. You're not a saint, Dif, you're not being martyred here. You can tell Holden that his systems are bad without being an asshole, you didn't even bother to pull up any of his systems or give critique, your own posts and posting history very clearly shows you're not interested in giving critique. You're interested in being validated that Holden is bad, you're interested in telling people that he's bad. On the White Wolf's World of Darkness thread, @MJ12 Commando just had a long discussion with Holden, giving him constructive feedback that was listened to and interesting.

EDIT: Like I don't think it's any coincidence that in the 3e game I actually played a year ago with @Maugan Ra, I was the one telling him every other session to homebrew half the system away lol. Maugan can confirm.

Yeah, that one is a real black mark on my record, I'm sure, being disrespectful here to a guy who by turns holds this thread and the folks in it in contempt but is also totally game to slum down here when it helps shill his work. When no one can point at a habitual shit-stirrer and call them on it to their face, you might as well tag this thread with a [+] tag, because we're going full rpg.net on refusing to call a spade a spade for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

And ulterior motives nothing, I may well be the asshole here but at least that's an actionable position one can hold, rather getting up in arms about Civility Discourse and hand-wringing endlessly about how disagreements mean people make might fun of us on the internet, oh no!

Don't be coy. He's not here to shill his work, he didn't even mention Exalted Third Edition. Making fun of Second Edition would be a national pastime if Exalted was a nation, it was a bad game and we all recognize it. You can be aggressive and harsh in your critique if you actually give critique. You don't though. You're not interested in that. You once gave critique, such as your analysis of how he handled Autochthonia badly. That was good and interesting, you're free to throw more of that at the thread, at least it's something rather than empty-headed spite. But that's all you have left, isn't it?

And lol, maybe if you read the rules and values of this forum you might be little less quick to talk about us going "full rpg.net". Again, one of my best friends on this forum is @EarthScorpion, who can deal it out with the best of them. I'm not cutting you down for incivility here. I'm cutting down for your contribution, if that's what we pretend that it is, being useless and nothing but incivility. Maybe if you actually bothered putting anything inside that tasty dish of venomous spring rolls you're making, you would find people had more respect for what you were saying.

Mate, you're yelling at a moderator right now. Anchor your temper and edit quick.
He's free to shout at me all he wants. This is a fair forum and I'm not going to infract him for exercising his rights to post as he will, that's out of my hands and not my prerogative. I apologize to @Dif deeply if any implications that I'm going to infract him or something have come across. This is not how we want SV to work.
 
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He's free to shout at me all he wants. This is a fair forum and I'm not going to infract him for exercising his rights to post as he will, that's out of my hands and not my prerogative. I apologize to @Dif deeply if any implications that I'm going to infract him or something have come across. This is not how we want SV to work.
In my experience that's pretty much how SV works. Piss off staff (or the Directors at least) and you get slapped around. In my opinion it's best to just pull your head in when you see them coming past, like a hermit crab hiding in it's shell when an octopus comes cruising along.
 
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Stop: If everyone could calm down
if everyone could calm down
Yeah, that one is a real black mark on my record, I'm sure, being disrespectful here to a guy who by turns holds this thread and the folks in it in contempt but is also totally game to slum down here when it helps shill his work. When no one can point at a habitual shit-stirrer and call them on it to their face, you might as well tag this thread with a [+] tag, because we're going full rpg.net on refusing to call a spade a spade for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

And ulterior motives nothing, I may well be the asshole here but at least that's an actionable position one can hold, rather getting up in arms about Civility Discourse and hand-wringing endlessly about how disagreements mean people make might fun of us on the internet, oh no!

Whatever your personal grudges are, if you are infracted and temporarily threadbanned for violating the rules, your first action upon returning to the thread should not be to violate thread policy again. Last time it was 25 points and two weeks out. This time it's 50 points and a two months threadban under rules 4 & 5. Let us not have a third incident.

in addition
Cute, but I don't actually care. I am running a game with Storypath, not Exalted 3e and have several times in this game explained my dislike for several of the mechanics in Third Edition. I'm friends with @EarthScorpion, @Imrix and @Aleph; all vocally against 3e. Yet, it was you who out of nowhere erupted into something that can only blatantly be summarized as a complete lack of respect for a fellow poster on the forum, and you are the one, who when challenged on this responds to personal insinuations and something that can only be called dishonesty of the highest rank. Don't play games Dif, we all know you're just as guilty of ulterior motives as you accuse me of. What's happening here is not me trying to suppress you so I can rub elbows with a guy who wrote an edition that took three years to release, what's happening is that you're being an asshole and I'm showing you the door.

While this (along with the other two posts) is relatively mild and doesn't violate the rules, please picture me tapping my foot and glancing sternly at the thread policy. Tone down the condescension in the future, please. A Staff Notice has been logged against your account.
 
Staff Notice: Caution regarding Rule 5: "Don't make our jobs harder"
While this (along with the other two posts) is relatively mild and doesn't violate the rules, please picture me tapping my foot and glancing sternly at the thread policy. Tone down the condescension in the future, please. A Staff Notice has been logged against your account.
Okay fine, I'll go to my room mom. :mad:
 
You just made me remember the fucking 2e War rules that let you turn on Monkey Leap while leading a mass combat unit and do exactly that. aaaaaaaugh

Look Holden.

Everyone knows that in Creation mass combat units are created when an army of lesser combatants has their flesh melt off Parasite Eve style at the command of the leader, surrounding the leader with a massive and terrifying war golem made of their flesh and bone. Why wouldn't charms help your new flesh-exoskeleton?

20% of Sidereal troubleshooting time is spent fixing problems that result when the merge-meat-voltron.exe program bugs out and doesn't properly undo the merge and now you have a four-headed Realm legionary or something.
 
Look Holden.

Everyone knows that in Creation mass combat units are created when an army of lesser combatants has their flesh melt off Parasite Eve style at the command of the leader, surrounding the leader with a massive and terrifying war golem made of their flesh and bone. Why wouldn't charms help your new flesh-exoskeleton?

20% of Sidereal troubleshooting time is spent fixing problems that result when the merge-meat-voltron.exe program bugs out and doesn't properly undo the merge and now you have a four-headed Realm legionary or something.
"Look behind you, it's a four-headed Legionary!"

"What, again!?"
 
As a point of trivia:

If one were to look into 2E errata book for dragonblooded (and their new charms), they will find Athletics charms designed specifically to convey benefits of the Dragon-Blooded commander's other Athletics charms (run fast, run on walls, run on air etc) to the mass combat unit they lead. And that Solaroids get their own versions. So
Prodigious Pogo-jumping Phalanx
Yeah, Prodigious Pogo-jumping Phalanx, is not actually something impossible in Creation.
 
As a point of trivia:

If one were to look into 2E errata book for dragonblooded (and their new charms), they will find Athletics charms designed specifically to convey benefits of the Dragon-Blooded commander's other Athletics charms (run fast, run on walls, run on air etc) to the mass combat unit they lead. And that Solaroids get their own versions. So

Yeah, Prodigious Pogo-jumping Phalanx, is not actually something impossible in Creation.
It's probably a core part of Lookshy's battle tactics, considering that they have all those airships and they equip all their heavy infantry with those magitech boots that let you march farther and faster, and most importantly, jump higher.

You just fly a carrier over the enemy, have your troops leap off right into the middle of their formation, and then when your ride makes a second pass everyone jumps back onto the ship.
 
That Dragon-Blooded are the main shapers of culture is not new to anyone here, this is almost taken as a given, but that Dragon-Blooded are ultra-successful in pretty much any given field they choose to focus in? No, that's ridiculous.
Why is that ridiculous? They're Exalts. Sure, okay, I don't think their excellence will look much like the rules-as-written because pogo-stick mammoths, but they are Exalted; if they srsface try at something, they are going to be much, much better than a mortal could ever possibly be at that thing, barring very exception heroic/narrative exceptions.

If there's a field that isn't lead by competing Dragon-Blooded, it's almost certainly because that field is too low-status for even random outcaste male DBs to be willing to take them on, not because they literally can't. It's certainly true that Exalts might lose their capabilities over time like normal humans do (might; they are, after all, not exactly metaphysically normal) -- but if they're a devoted and dedicated painter, say, that isn't going to matter because they're never going to stop practicing.
 
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