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ManusDomine said:
Just for the record, this is coming from a person who made a character literally named "Az'ka" who had an eyeless hellstrider coloured white with the name of "Ki'yoko".

If you judge me, I'll judge you right the fuck back. :V
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No no no, the Hellstrider wasn't the MP Eva Expy, that was her Devil Tyrant Avatar Shintai form, the Hellstrider was Cecelyne Blue, with one cyclopean eye.:V
 
So, what are some good alternate systems for Limit? I normally just ignore it, but I've been toying with making it a carrot, restoring Willpower when you act in the way that fits your Limit Break, as chosen in chargen. Have any others?
 
notanautomaton said:
So, what are some good alternate systems for Limit? I normally just ignore it, but I've been toying with making it a carrot, restoring Willpower when you act in the way that fits your Limit Break, as chosen in chargen. Have any others?
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Chiming Minaret game uses it sort of like Frenzying in Vampire: The Requiem, in that you can try to deliberately enter it in a controlled way as well as sometimes have it triggered by various conditions - so it becomes both a carrot and a stick. It gives you various bonuses while you're in it, but lots of this isn't really codified for actual play except for the bonuses Chiming Minaret gets when she is in her Limit Break.
 
ManusDomine said:
Chiming Minaret game uses it sort of like Frenzying in Vampire: The Requiem, in that you can try to deliberately enter it in a controlled way as well as sometimes have it triggered by various conditions - so it becomes both a carrot and a stick. It gives you various bonuses while you're in it, but lots of this isn't really codified for actual play except for the bonuses Chiming Minaret gets when she is in her Limit Break.
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That's interesting and I like it.
 
notanautomaton said:
So, what are some good alternate systems for Limit? I normally just ignore it, but I've been toying with making it a carrot, restoring Willpower when you act in the way that fits your Limit Break, as chosen in chargen. Have any others?
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I got good results out of allowing players to channel Virtues by gaining a point of Limit rather than Willpower and then imposing a (Limit/2) penalty on rolls that contradict their Virtue Flaw. So someone who had Deliberate Cruelty would suffer a penalty to rolls that relieved suffering and so on. They could reduce their Limit by one by acting on their Virtue Flaw for a scene.
 
Accelerator said:
Mass production of DBs.
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We've had a lot of discussion like that in the fanbase's history.

Suffice it to say that whatever you can think of, it either doesn't work because you're overlooking something (such as, for example, "Dragonblooded are heroic actors who will not meekly go along with plans that treat them like idle breeding stock,") or it shouldn't work because it relies on bad writing.
 
Imrix said:
We've had a lot of discussion like that in the fanbase's history.

Suffice it to say that whatever you can think of, it either doesn't work because you're overlooking something (such as, for example, "Dragonblooded are heroic actors who will not meekly go along with plans that treat them like idle breeding stock,") or it shouldn't work because it relies on bad writing.
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Yeah, I know. That's kinda why I didn't just post it.

Anyway, a strange idea I just had.
Has anyone used workings to make superpowered minions? Specifically, I was wondering if you could somehow pull off a superhero aesthetic using sorcerous workings.
 
Accelerator said:
Yeah, I know. That's kinda why I didn't just post it.

Anyway, a strange idea I just had.
Has anyone used workings to make superpowered minions? Specifically, I was wondering if you could somehow pull off a superhero aesthetic using sorcerous workings.
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My players used a sorcerous working to make their monster pet wolf grow, though with a Supernal Melee Dawn literally buying the entire stabby charm tree and the sensory charms too, I think the whole thing is slightly redundant.
 
veekie said:
My players used a sorcerous working to make their monster pet wolf grow, though with a Supernal Melee Dawn literally buying the entire stabby charm tree and the sensory charms too, I think the whole thing is slightly redundant.
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Apologies, then. I was simply thinking of the context of superpowers within the setting of Exalted. And what level of sorcerous workings would it be to, say, create something like infernal akuma?
 
Imrix said:
We've had a lot of discussion like that in the fanbase's history.

Suffice it to say that whatever you can think of, it either doesn't work because you're overlooking something (such as, for example, "Dragonblooded are heroic actors who will not meekly go along with plans that treat them like idle breeding stock,") or it shouldn't work because it relies on bad writing.
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Oh, the DB breeding farms. Funny how almost everyone, at one point or another, thinks about DB breeding farms. It's a terrible but very funny idea, for very obvious reasons.

More seriously, there is an idea that can and probably should work: Neomah. We already had that discussion, but Neomahs make babies, and can explicitly make DB babies, and are often used in-universe just for that. The fact that mass Neomah cloning isn't acknowledged in any source-book always irked me immensely.

As a ST, I'd probably put a lid on that sort of shenanigans by making the babies either insane, more likely to be possessed by demons, or simply saying that Neomah babies can't exalt into terrestrial. By the rules as they're written, though, it works.
 
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Oh, the DB breeding farms. Funny how almost everyone, at one point or another, thinks about DB breeding farms. It's a terrible but very funny idea, for very obvious reasons.

More seriously, there is an idea that can and probably should work: Neomah. We already had that discussion, but Neomahs make babies, and can explicitly make DB babies, and are often used in-universe just for that. The fact that mass Neomah cloning isn't acknowledged in any source-book always irked me immensely.

As a ST, I'd probably put a lid on that sort of shenanigans by making the babies either insane, more likely to be possessed by demons, or simply saying that Neomah babies can't exalt into terrestrial. By the rules as they're written, though, it works.
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On that note, Neomah can shapeshift, right? They can assume the forms of mortal women, right?
 
The main challenge with Neomah in character is that they demand a literal pound of flesh for their work.

Sure an Exalt can just heal that, but unless strongly motivated they wouldn't.
Accelerator said:
Apologies, then. I was simply thinking of the context of superpowers within the setting of Exalted. And what level of sorcerous workings would it be to, say, create something like infernal akuma?
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Not quite how they're supposed to work I think. It's more of stacking workings, each one adding some specific quality to the people being 'blessed'. You're unlikely to produce charms from that
 
veekie said:
The main challenge with Neomah in character is that they demand a literal pound of flesh for their work.

Sure an Exalt can just heal that, but unless strongly motivated they wouldn't.
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The glory of the Realm is enough for most DB. Alternatively, the glory of a particular House, now that the Realm is in shamble.

Sure, this isn't a perfect solution. Most DBs see demon workings as irksome; this is a lot of babies who will need to be fed. Those who don't exalt would probably need to become something else as they grow up, either by being adopted into the family or simply released or something. There is certainly some potential to go wrong.

But Neomah are used to make DBs already. Some Houses are full of sorcerers easily able to summon legions of them. The power of the Realm is almost entirely based on DBs, as is the power of its Houses. Somebody, somewhere, should have connected the dots. Mnemon certainly could.

Honestly, this isn't too important anyway.
 
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The glory of the Realm is enough for most DB. Alternatively, the glory of a particular House, now that the Realm is in shamble.
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Not very likely. True loyalists devoted to that extent, I don't see this in the dynastic backstabby mess, especially when a fair number of DBs in the setting are stated to consider doing their duty for the Realm as a chore, one they must go through before they can take risks or pursue their dreams.

The Dragonblooded are not supernaturally loyal to the Realm. They are immensely practically and politically loyal, because it is a social structure that puts them as top dogs, which gives them the resources they want...but if you want to realpolitik, every child of theirs that exalt will divide their House's holdings further, leaving less for each unless they succeed at grabbing it off someone else, AND they can expect to live centuries, so it directly risks diluting their personal assets.

There's a reason the Realm specifically has the Immaculate Order and the Legions as dumping grounds. Extra DBs make the Realm stronger, but extra DBs with RIGHTS make the individuals who make them weaker. The dynastic structure rewards having a limited number of children, enough to be stable, if circumstances are good, enough to grow without dividing the bounty even further.
 
veekie said:
The main challenge with Neomah in character is that they demand a literal pound of flesh for their work.
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You're using the word literal in the non-literal sense, I hope. Because otherwise, go read the neomah rules again.

No, they do not ask for a pound of flesh. They need very little flesh indeed. In fact, they can do it with just bodily fluids.

(Likewise, the neomah rules are in the 2e core and in GoD. Go read those rules again if you think neomah can look like a human)
 
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