The big issue is that the Oylmpians wouldnt be a Yozi, but a Primordial.

Sadly we dont have Gaia to help model what an unmaed Primordial would look like (Auto-kun having maimed himself because reasons).

The core figures are going to be the sons and daughters of Chronus and Rhea even with Hestia conceeding her seat.

Heh I'm picturing the world being a creation of two Primordials: Gaia and Uranus/Titan/Olympus with the 2nd Primordial under going fetich death reshaping themselves to be more in tune with the world
 
The big issue is that the Oylmpians wouldnt be a Yozi, but a Primordial.

Sadly we dont have Gaia to help model what an unmaed Primordial would look like (Auto-kun having maimed himself because reasons).

The core figures are going to be the sons and daughters of Chronus and Rhea even with Hestia conceeding her seat.

Heh I'm picturing the world being a creation of two Primordials: Gaia and Uranus/Titan/Olympus with the 2nd Primordial under going fetich death reshaping themselves to be more in tune with the world
While I have no idea how to model the world before the Titans came about, I'm fairly certain the Titanomachy was internal warfare between the older souls and the newer ones Cronus had being going out of his way to suppress (eg: He had a charm that let him imprison all his progenitive souls. While imprisoned they grew but couldn't act, and may even have contributed to his strength. Zeus avoided this and then freed his siblings, causing 4 fully grown and exceedingly angry 3rd circle souls to come forth)
And since this is a thought exercise to demonstrate the nature of a Yozi, I'm not worrying about the unknown differences between them and Primordials.

My main issue now is figuring out the essential nature of Olympus. Malfeas is the city of hell and it's ruler, broken and imprisoned within himself and eternally angry. Cecelyne is the silver desert and the lawgiver, who knows that the strong rule over the weak.

The Greek gods are a petty and very human group, for that they are gods. Their family feuds cause mortals to go to war but these feuds are all understandable. Hera hates Zeus' infidelity. Hades and Poseidon are jealous of Zeus' power. Hephaestus resents how the other gods treat him even as Aphrodite resents her husband. Hermes is a shameless shit stirrer, Apollo and Artemis are always competing with each other and Dionysus just wants to party.
So maybe that's what I need to focus on.
 
Yeah, fetich death does seem to be a decent fit for the Titanomachy.
It would be pretty easy to have the Protogonoi be the Yozis, and the Titans another soul pantheon of either a defeated Yozi or the previous incarnation of the current one. You can easily have the Olympians be the pantheon of Uranus (the Heavens), given that they are generally celestial deities. That leaves you with Gaia being, well, Gaia, and Chaos and Nyx and whoever as having their own special 2spooky4me soul pantheons.
 
The big issue is that the Oylmpians wouldnt be a Yozi, but a Primordial.

Sadly we dont have Gaia to help model what an unmaed Primordial would look like (Auto-kun having maimed himself because reasons).

We had Theion charms in Shards of the Exalted Dream. As it turns out, his charms are pretty similar to Malfeas's in terms of power and functionality, but are themed around being way less angry and self-loathing.
 
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The Yozi are pantheons analogy is not a very good one. It's just compelling enough to be absolutely wrong without looking that way.

The Incarna make a proper pantheon, even more so when you add the Primordials as their progenitors. However the Yozi have way too many similarities between them to be separate pantheons. There are many more ways that Malfeas and Cecelyne and Kimbery are the same than that, say, the Greek and Hindu religions are the same.

The way Primordials work doesn't really map in any sort of easy to use way to any existing mythology. That's kind of what makes them cool and interesting is the fact their not just mythology transplanted from somewhere else but a syncretistic take on a variety of religious creation myths.
 
The big issue is that the Oylmpians wouldnt be a Yozi, but a Primordial.

Sadly we dont have Gaia to help model what an unmaed Primordial would look like (Auto-kun having maimed himself because reasons).

The core figures are going to be the sons and daughters of Chronus and Rhea even with Hestia conceeding her seat.

Heh I'm picturing the world being a creation of two Primordials: Gaia and Uranus/Titan/Olympus with the 2nd Primordial under going fetich death reshaping themselves to be more in tune with the world

Greek Pantheon into a Primordial isn't exactly the most perfect of fits, but there are some ways you can kludge things into shape.

Off the top of my head, Uranus is the original Primordial and a largely irrelevant figure. If you take the stories regarding Kronos's rebellion as inspiration, then Kronos and the rest of the Titans could be the original Third Circle souls of Uranus who rebelled against the oppression of their overself and crippled him somehow(possibly with Gaea's help).

For a time, Kronos was the fetich soul and ruler and he devoured his own souls/children(who are just one off from being a full Second Circle). But Zeus escaped being devoured and he grew in secret. He gathered power and through deception, poisoned his progenitor and released his brothers and sisters and waged war against the old pantheon. They shattered Kronos and devoured his power and bound away or destroyed the old souls. Thus, Zeus and his siblings rose in power and stature, becoming Third Circles in their own right.

This changing of the guard and shifting of Souls affected Uranus and transformed him into Olympus.

At least, that's what I thought of in about five minutes.
 
It would be pretty easy to have the Protogonoi be the Yozis, and the Titans another soul pantheon of either a defeated Yozi or the previous incarnation of the current one. You can easily have the Olympians be the pantheon of Uranus (the Heavens), given that they are generally celestial deities. That leaves you with Gaia being, well, Gaia, and Chaos and Nyx and whoever as having their own special 2spooky4me soul pantheons.
Man this makes Yozi politics sound even better. Putting the Theogeny and such sources into a vaguely Exalted setting:
  • Gaia came forth from Chaos (The Wyld), with Tartarus (The Abyss) within her
  • At the same time Eros (Procreation) came into being
  • Gaia was surrounded by the wild, until Erebus (Darkness) and Nyx (Night) came forth and surrounded Gaia
  • Erebus birthed Aether (Light) and Nyx birthed Hemera (Day), bestowing on Gaia the Day/Night cycle and further protecting her
  • Safe from the ravages of the Wyld, Gaia birthed Uranus (the Heavens) and Pontus (the Ocean).
  • At some point the other Protogenoi came forth, but they matter little
  • Together, Gaia and Uranus birthed the Titans. These were Uranus' 3rd circle souls and more than any other, lords of the creatures that lived on Gaia
  • Ophion, fetich of Uranus despised the Hecatonchires and Cyclopes and bound them in Tartarus, simultaneously holding all other creatures of Gaia in bondage
  • Angry that Uranus had imprisoned her children, Gaia attempts to pursuade Uranus to free them by tempting Cronus into slaying Ophion.
  • Cronus does so, causing Uranus to reform. During this battle Rhea wrestles Eurynome, Ophion's consort, into Tartarus.
  • Cronus becomes the fetich soul and claims Mount Othrys as his throne, thus making it Uranus' primary jouten.
  • Despite these actions Uranus' hatred of Gaia's children remains, so Cronus reimprisons the Hecatonchires and Cyclopes. But the other children of Gaia knew peace, for Cronus was a just ruler.
  • The second generation of Titans is sired, as Uranus' power grows (represented by his growing pantheon of 3rd circles)
  • This was later known as the Golden Age, for people had no need for laws or rules; everyone did the right thing, and immorality was absent.
  • Cronus then learned from Gaia and Uranus that his sons were destined to overcome him, just as he had overcome Ophion. To avert this Cronus swallowed each of his Progenitive Souls as soon as they were formed, seeking to retain his power (Presumably using a charm to use their power while preventing them from using it, though they grew while swallowed)
  • Rhea saw Cronus' actions and despaired, for the swallowed souls were her children as much as they were Cronus'. When next she birthed a child she fooled Cronus into swallowing the stone Omphalos and had her child raised by others that didn't enjoy Cronus' rule
  • When Zeus was grown (fully fledged 3rd circle) he sought the aid of Gaia. Gaia granted Zeus the means to pervert Cronus' charm and free his siblings.
  • Knowing that he could never approach Cronus himself Zeus approached Metis, who agreed to help him. She fed Cronus the emetic and spirited the disgorged Poseidon, Hades, Demeter, Hera and Hestia to safety.
  • At the same time Zeus descended to the realm of Tartarus and bargains with Campe, 3rd circle soul of Tartarus. An accord is reached and the Hecatonchires and Cyclopes are freed
  • The Titanomachy begins as Zeus and his siblings, armed by the cyclopes, go to war with Cronus and most of the other souls of Oranus
  • Eventually Zeus and his kin are victorious, slaying most of the Titans and binding their corpses in Tartarus. The Titans that remained free were Atlas, Epimetheus, Helios, Menoetius, Metis, Oceanus and Prometheus
  • Mt Orthrys reforms into Mt Olympus and then the rest of greek mythology happens.
So in summation:
  • This setting's equivalent of Creation is a jouten of Gaia. A jouten of Tartarus lies within Gaia and holds the realm of the dead, as well as a vast abyss that slain 3rd circles are thrown into. Above Gaia is Uranus and upon her is Pontus. Gaia is sheltered from the wild by Erebus and Aether, with Nyx and Hemera existing between them and Gaia.
  • The nature of Uranus is to rule over others. As such the jouten of Tartarus, Pontus, Nyx and Hemera are ruled over by his 3rd circle souls - Hades, Poseidon, Artemis and Apollo respectively.
  • Gaia knows that Uranus will always strive to be superior to her and routinely rebels, birthing behemoths to oppose his souls and tempting them into combating each other.
  • The other Primordials/Protogenoi are fairly hands off and their souls likely spend most of their time in their own jouten or in an equivalent of heaven, seperate from Uranus' jouten.
 
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stop @Accelerator? Stop asking "hey how do I get these rulebooks for free?"

That's piracy. And we don't take kindly to piracy in these waters. In fact that is a rule one offense and we will keelhaul you for it.

Consider this your only warning on the subject. I'm slapping you with a warning for marginal behavior for tracking purposes.

Don't do it again.

Everyone else: Go about your regular business as you are wont to do. That is all.
 
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The Yozi are pantheons analogy is not a very good one. It's just compelling enough to be absolutely wrong without looking that way.

The Incarna make a proper pantheon, even more so when you add the Primordials as their progenitors. However the Yozi have way too many similarities between them to be separate pantheons. There are many more ways that Malfeas and Cecelyne and Kimbery are the same than that, say, the Greek and Hindu religions are the same.

The way Primordials work doesn't really map in any sort of easy to use way to any existing mythology. That's kind of what makes them cool and interesting is the fact their not just mythology transplanted from somewhere else but a syncretistic take on a variety of religious creation myths.
All very true, but I've thought about this too much to not keep going.
 
Open questions:
What is your headcanon for why the priests of Cecelyne and the Celestial judges are the same sort of spirit?

Has anything funny ever happened involving them in your games?
 
Open questions:
What is your headcanon for why the priests of Cecelyne and the Celestial judges are the same sort of spirit?

I see the Judges of the Secret Flame as a brotherhood of Cecelynian Priests that sided with the Exalted host and were rewarded with their swords for their service.

When they come into play, stuff is usually getting serious and the full group of them could easily fight Ligier and probably beat him up. They are some of the most powerful stuff that the Circle of Sapphire can summon, but on the flip side have a bunch of restrictions such as "can only act against those who break the laws of Heaven".
 
Children of Dust
Lesser Dead
Dead by Famine


When the rains don't come, the land dries up and crops fail. The small-holders and day labourers who make up most of Creation's population who go hungry, and their children are worst affected. Their empty bellies swell and their limbs wither to become stick-thin. The children die and are buried in the dusty ground. But their hunger prevents them from passing on. Plagues of rats or locusts appear that scream with children's voices and the wind gnaws at fruit on the vine. Eventually the rats grow bold enough to attack sleepers, and a traveller may stumble upon a town where nothing is left alive, for even the vermin have fallen on each other in their ceaseless hunger.

Children of dust are young famine victims taken during times of mass starvation. They seldom occur individually, and in the lands of the Dead they form feral packs. Their teeth become sharp and rat-like, they move on all four stick-thin limbs like beasts, and they endlessly shed flakes of dusty skin. The marks of a famine victim in life are exaggerated; their bloated bellies look morbidly obese, even though they are otherwise so thin that every rib can be counted. Their passions force them to eat and eat and eat, but no matter how much they devour they can never be full. Instead, they simply grow larger and their appetite grows commensurately.

These ghosts plague the lands of the Dead, for they only appear in times of mass death when things are already in turmoil from the suffering of the mortal world. Starving children of dust attack settlements of the Dead for grave offerings to devour, stripping them bare, and they fall easily into the practice of sin-eating, so will attack other ghosts. Moreover, in times of mass death small shadowlands form and this allows them to crawl back into Creation. Their nature grants them powers over hungry beasts - rats, mice, locusts, toads and other such creatures. They ride their senses and can force them to eat and eat. One child of dust can influence a sizable swarm, and a pack of children can bring a cataclysm to a town.

Necromancers summon children of dust to ruin cropland, or to control animals as spies. With training and the acquisition of new Passions, a child of dust can mitigate their hunger somewhat, though they remain mentally young and prone to pranks and poltergeist mischief. For an exorcist, a plague of these ghosts is a great challenge. Even if they can avoid having their flesh stripped from their bones by swarms of hungry rats and successfully lay the child of dust to rest, as long as there is famine more will likely form. Such exorcists often reach out to wandering priests and the like to try to coax the gods into bringing rain.
 
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