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Nix's Warden said:
The hell is going on with out Magic?
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Gehaburn.

Conquest ending to the second game, the game Nepgear's from.
UbeOne said:
Who or what is Gehaburn?
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... I'm not sure if that's spoilers or not actually. Its not hard to find out, so... I'll tag it.

Its a Demonic Sword that gets stronger by killing Goddesses in the second hyper dimension neptunia game. And is the key item to the Conquest ending. Note, that all the Goddesses are her allies, friends, and her sister... who she kills/sacrifice themselves... mostly the later after you beat them in battle. All this to kill the Big Bad of the game, which was successful.

And Nepgear is such a gentle soul. (The one here is pretty much an expy of her.)
 
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ReaperofInterest said:
[X]Magical Research. You need to know what that symbol was on Candy Heart.

Let's see what we can find out about the control seal, shall we? Plus, this might be the action that reveals Red's Resurrection ability to the Light.

[X] XP Plan Upgrade
-[X] Purchase Armored Core: Adamantium (250 XP Spent)
-[X] Purchase Applied Teachings (250+200=450 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Flight to level 4 (30+450=480 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Armored Core to level 5 (40+480=520 XP Spent)

Plan Upgrade is supposed to improve our defense, mobility, and offense all at once. It gets the final Armored Core tier, which I think increase our Resilience by 40 per level. It gets Applied Teachings, which will hopefully unlock one of those neat 'sacrifice x attacks to stop an enemy's attack' skills, and removes that -25% modifier in close combat. It increases Flight, which makes us faster. And finally, it increases our Resilience a little more.

Any objections?
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Our Core Containment is underleveled for us too get a new Armored Core.
 
Basically, the issue at hand is that Gehaburn is a corrupting sword, and puts you in a position where you become the greater evil.

Annoying. Corruption effects are bad enough when the enemy already outclasses you in every conceivable fashion save for growth rate (But has had so long to grow that we're still years from catching up)
 
Nix's Warden said:
Our Core Containment is underleveled for us too get a new Armored Core.
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... You haven't been reading the thread. That's not how it works, GM already went over that.
Alectai said:
Basically, the issue at hand is that Gehaburn is a corrupting sword, and puts you in a position where you become the greater evil.

Annoying. Corruption effects are bad enough when the enemy already outclasses you in every conceivable fashion save for growth rate (But has had so long to grow that we're still years from catching up)
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Well intentioned extremist at best actually. And there were no actual Corruption affects, just desperation.
And Gehaburn gets more and more powerful the more Goddesses its used to kill. Much more powerful. As in its worth more, pound for pound in power, than the Goddess it kills. Otherwise none of using it to kill them for power would make sense.
 
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Nix's Warden said:
Our Core Containment is underleveled for us too get a new Armored Core.
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Actually no, we just need level 10 to unlock the new Armored Core's special skill.

Alectai said:
Basically, the issue at hand is that Gehaburn is a corrupting sword, and puts you in a position where you become the greater evil.

Annoying. Corruption effects are bad enough when the enemy already outclasses you in every conceivable fashion save for growth rate (But has had so long to grow that we're still years from catching up)
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Eh Gehaburn in and of itself isn't corrupting from the game IIRC.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
It gets Applied Teachings, which will hopefully unlock one of those neat 'sacrifice x attacks to stop an enemy's attack' skills, and removes that -25% modifier in close combat.
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We already have the Intercept, and banking on a better version unlocking is just not a good reason to go for AT right now.

I just did the calcs on why we shouldn't buy AT and how horribly inefficient it is on this very page. Increasing our base damage by buying a better beam makes Intercept better while also doing AT's job better than it does. Right now, AT is just not a good pick, you'd just be hoping that it'd open up something that would actually be worth buying, something that would cost even more XP.

Also, any plan that doesn't put our beam to level 10 to reach the milestone and get the bonuses is a bad plan. Seriously, no matter what, we want level 10 beam.

I might be swayed to get AT before level 20 beam, but I'm against it until level 15.
 
To be fair, AT looks bad right now because it's our equivilent to Armored Core: Iron if I'm not mistaken.
 
@crystalwatcher
Since it's not at all a huge stretch of logic to assume that Goddess Red is the source of the control sigil, could we go ask Rei about it under the assumption that she probably knows more about Goddess Red's powers than almost anyone else?
 
Fine then.

[X]Magical Research. You need to know what that symbol was on Candy Heart.

[X] XP Plan Upgrade V2
-[X] Purchase Armored Core: Adamantium (250 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Purifier Beam to level 10 (90+250=340 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Flight to level 5 (30+40+340=410 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Armored Core to level 5 (40+410=450 XP Spent)
-[X] Raise Core Containment to Level 7 (60+450=510 XP Spent)

Ok, the revised plan improves our defense, offense, mobility, and health all at once. It raises Purifier Beam to level 10, so we'll see what that does, it increases our top flight speed to 40 MPH, it increases our defense, and it increases our health for when an attack actually does hit us and might do damage.
 
[X]Magical Research. You need to know what that symbol was on Candy Heart.

So...killing magical girls she could have saved leads to conquest ending...
 
[X]Magical Research. You need to know what that symbol was on Candy Heart.

Important to know what we're dealing with sooner rather than later.

Alectai said:
To be fair, AT looks bad right now because it's our equivilent to Armored Core: Iron if I'm not mistaken.
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Absolutely! That's why I'm not saying we should only buy it when it's the most efficient option; we could unlock something that's actually worth buying, and probably will.

Still, though, we'd be sinking a lot of XP into something in order to gain the chance to sink more XP into something good. I'm not going to say that we shouldn't get it until level 23 beam or so, just that we should probably wait until it's less inefficient, because right now it is atrocious.

ReaperofInterest said:
Ok, the revised plan improves our defense, offense, mobility, and health all at once. It raises Purifier Beam to level 10, so we'll see what that does, it increases our top flight speed to 40 MPH, it increases our defense, and it increases our health for when an attack actually does hit us and might do damage.
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Looks good to me. It covers our bases and I like that it brings a lot of stuff to 5s and 10s, not just the beam. That's always a plus, because of bonuses.

[X] XP Plan Upgrade V2
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
That lacks so much context its not even funny. Like they were just that desperate, the sword doesn't actively corrupt, and pretty much all of the Goddesses sacrificed themselves instead of Nepgear being a psychopath.
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The FURTHER missing context is you can only get that ending by focusing on personal power over the well being of allies.

Its the Hard Girl Making Hard choice path forced by avoiding the power of friendship path.
 
veekie said:
The FURTHER missing context is you can only get that ending by focusing on personal power over the well being of allies.

Its the Hard Girl Making Hard choice path forced by avoiding the power of friendship path.
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Interesting.

I suggest that we be sure to chat and be friends with our allies often then. I'm not saying that we should completely focus on them, but we should be sure to not focus completely on ourselves.
 
veekie said:
The FURTHER missing context is you can only get that ending by focusing on personal power over the well being of allies.

Its the Hard Girl Making Hard choice path forced by avoiding the power of friendship path.
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Well its not like we're ignoring friends. *Shrug* An we still got Gehaburn to pop its head up anyway. We don't know what triggers it yet, it could just be grief and rage at this point for all we know... probably has to do with MGs in some form though. *Shrug*
Gore17 said:
Have you played the remake? It's suggested that the sword is corruptive.
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I've only seen the remake. Never saw the original... Neptune was apparently a really bad sister in it though?
ReaperofInterest said:
Interesting.

I suggest that we be sure to chat and be friends with our allies often then. I'm not saying that we should completely focus on them, but we should be sure to not focus completely on ourselves.
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We need to balance the two. Stalling our (non-XP) based growth just for friendship... actually, that would still be focusing on ourself in a funny way, because we're using them to keep Gehaburn at bay. But still, I think my point stands.
 
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