Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition

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Except for Gorby. It would be so cursed if we got him as Premier or General Secretary in the eighties.
Just imagine the possibility of Gorby's politics being completely different ITTL.

He seems to have been a party climber in OTL moreso than a state climber, I think, but in this different system he may well have slid into the state as well/instead.
We actually saw Gorbachev as a Services deputy option back in 1968, where he was serving as a regional circuit judge [1] (which under the post-Stalin constitutions are appointed/elected by regional party elements), and was mentioned as having a decent amount of party support and believing strongly in expanding access to lawyers. Blackstar also mentioned on the Discord that Gorby climbing all the way to Prosecutor General is "not unlikely" [2] (albeit that was a throwaway line from three IRL years ago so not guaranteed, take it with a grain of salt, things have changed significantly since then, etc. etc. etc.) which would technically be a state-side career, although it's a little fuzzy since the judicial system sits in a weird position between the party and state with the lower levels appointed by the party and highest levels appointed by the state. In any case, I doubt he'll ever make it into the Council of Ministers TTL (although I suppose it's not impossible per se that he eventually becomes Minister of the Interior or something), nevermind Chairman of the Supreme Soviet or General Secretary.

[1] See below:
[]Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev: An MSU graduate who rose in the legal service with the massive expansion of public trials, presiding over several cases in the Saratov legal circuit. He has a degree of experience in working for general legal programs involved with case law along with a sufficient degree of party backing. Moving Gorbachev will involve necessary movements towards reforming the legal system as he is convinced that it has areas of unfairness towards those without the ability to hire good representation. The previous expansion of the legal program has proven popular and a judge of a regional circuit should have the base managerial experience to ease into a ministry post.

[2] See below:
 
Fun detail from the discord I meant to send a few days ago. Our new deputy, who Alzzz on the discord started referring to as Zemly, prefers smoking to drinking. Bala proves himself to be the least problematic minister, aka having less of a drug problem than anyone. I also remember Blackstar stating rail guy had a bit of a drug problem somewhere but idk where the quote was.

 
OTL personal drug possession and usage wasn't illegal in the USSR until 1974, when it redefined all drugs targeted by the UN as narcotics and instituted harsh prison terms.

I can't recall us ever touching on this in the quest canon, and appeals to the UN probably aren't a priority these days. Could it be that the Soviet Union is high as fuck?
 
OTL personal drug possession and usage wasn't illegal in the USSR until 1974, when it redefined all drugs targeted by the UN as narcotics and instituted harsh prison terms.

I can't recall us ever touching on this in the quest canon, and appeals to the UN probably aren't a priority these days. Could it be that the Soviet Union is high as fuck?
We only criminalize distribution and sharing, I think. Even then, it's usually a pretty minor crime.

Compare the USA, which will gladly give you a life sentence of prison labor if you make enough LSD.
 
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President John Milan Ashbrook (Hero of the Soviet Union): "My fellow Americans, I come before you today to discuss a matter of the highest concern for parents and families across our great nation. Do you know what this is in my hand? That's right, every parent of a rebellious teenager does, it's a 'joint'. But what you may not know is that this is no mere drug. This is a tool of the enemy, the greatest enemy we as a nation have ever faced. Yes, I speak of course of Soviet communism, which in its great wickedness now seeks to control and corrupt your very children with the spreading of what is sometimes called the 'red reefer'-"

The tape ends there.
 
If Comrade Ashbrook invents Nixon-era weed criminalization to try and hold onto the presidency I'll giggle a little.
 
It's not even slavery, just a further shift in how your prison system works i.e

What used to be a 4 year working/8 not working sentence has become a 4 year working/20 year non working one. (Obviously this doesn't apply to pensioners, and students can do university which fulfills the requirement)

Facing an additional 16 years of bondage due to refusing to work is slavery enough IMO, and exactly what I was expecting from this reform. Though study counting as work is better than I had imagined.

If Comrade Ashbrook invents Nixon-era weed criminalization to try and hold onto the presidency I'll giggle a little.

Something like that could happen. Remember that pharmaceuticals were an early export item, alongside paint.

And while these were merely fairly sophisticated pharma products for the 1930s, and thus rather dull and pedestrian for the 1970s, an awful lot of recreational drugs are fairly simple to produce and were first used as medicines.

I would not be at all surprised if the USSR continued to be a major supplier of things like ketamine and medical opioids. As well as things like amphetamines and aspirin. And if some of those end up being used for recreational purposes, Ashbrook could start a war on Soviet Drugs!

As for weed, what are Ashbrook's views on Mexico and Mexicans? A big driver of the anti-weed thing was due to it being seen as a "Hispanic" drug, and therefore inferior to good, protestant alcohol.

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fasquardon
 
Soviet drug policy TTL is pretty harsh I believe, but the actually criminalized part is distribution and production rather than minor possession. It's not technically actually illegal to have and use a personal stash of most drugs, however something as simple as sharing a joint with a friend is officially distribution/promotion of drug use and can land you a decade chopping trees in Siberia. Cops being cops, being seen using any drugs in public is presumably also promotion of drug use, but it's not technically illegal for just you to smoke some weed in private as long as nobody sees you and you don't share it.
 
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on the one hand, probably a good thing for the the union in general, on the other hand, it tragically means this anecdote shall never occur
I'm a little skeptical of this one, if only because it involves Lysenko being able to direct a selective breeding program that works without bullshit. More likely that Bukharin was just a lightweight...
 
I'm a little skeptical of this one, if only because it involves Lysenko being able to direct a selective breeding program that works without bullshit. More likely that Bukharin was just a lightweight...
That's wrecker talk, comrade Stalin would never pass weak weed to a fellow comrade nor would a true communist be a lightweight.

If only we hadn't purged Lysenko, we would have the world's strongest weed to tempt Americans into communism.
 
If I recall correctly, most of the relevant OTL soviet politicians of the 1980s will be reaching their term limits by the mid 1980s at the latest here.
Wow really shows how much of a gerontocracy the OTL ussr was.

Unfortunately Khrushchev was born in 1894 and will be 76 EDIT: 84 in 1980 which is the earliest Skakchov might retire, so I cannot argue that we should pick Corn Lord as our new agri deputy.
So, what did Khrushchev get up to TTL that would make him notable at all to biology nerds?
 
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So, what did Khrushchev get up to TTL that would make him notable at all to biology nerds?
He was the head of an agronomy institute that specialized in creating new types of grains by mutating them with radiation.

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Due to my interest in agriculture in front of the party commission, where else could they assign me but here. This is truly the middle of nowhere post of nowhere posts. Yet, someone must do the work even if the job involves putting corn-seed on a conveyor belt then observing it for months.
-Nikita Khrushchev, Department head of the corn irradiation effort.
 
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Feminism is a mental sickness, mandatory prison time and medication for any woman who complains about sexism.

Western propaganda is insidious.
Sorry to butt in again, but this contradicts the official view of the Soviet leadership. Here's what you can find in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia:
Feminism (French feminisme, from Latin femina – woman) is a women's movement for equal rights for women with men within the framework of the bourgeois system. (....)

Feminist organizations usually do not touch upon current issues of our time, limiting themselves to issues of women's emancipation. However, after World War II, they have been paying increasing attention to implementing women's electoral and other political rights recognized by law, and eliminating existing discrimination. Some feminist groups also put forward general social demands. The Women's International Democratic Federation (Note - a coalition of women's organizations friendly to the USSR) and its national sections strive to establish cooperation with all women's organizations, including feminist ones, which to one degree or another fight to protect the rights of women and children, against the danger of war, fascism and reaction.
If we look at the article "Women's Question", the position there is expressed as follows:
The conditions for a genuine solution to the G. v. were created for the first time in history in the Soviet state, born of the Great October Socialist Revolution. In the very first months of the existence of Soviet power, all laws that enshrined inequality of women were abolished (.....)

Political equality of women was enshrined in the first Soviet constitution (1918). By a number of acts of 1917-18, Soviet power completely equalized women with men in labor law, civil rights, family and marriage, in the field of education, took measures to protect women's labor, motherhood and infancy, and enshrined the principle of equal pay for equal work. (.....)

Women's rights are enshrined in Article 122 of the Constitution of the USSR: "In the USSR, women are granted equal rights with men in all areas of economic, state, cultural and socio-political life." The increasing and varied state assistance to women-mothers provides women with the opportunity to enjoy these rights. The network of institutions created for the protection of mothers and children is growing from year to year. (.....)

Respect for women as equal and active citizens of the socialist state is deeply rooted in the USSR. Women (53.9% of the USSR population at the beginning of 1971) made up 51% of the number of workers and employees employed in the national economy of the country in 1970 (24% in 1928), 48% of workers employed in industry. Among specialists with higher and secondary specialized education in 1968, 58% were women (with higher education 52%, with secondary specialized education - 63%), and their number has increased 58 times compared to 1928. 31% of engineers, 38% of technicians, 72% of doctors (before the revolution 10%), 69% of teachers and cultural and educational workers, 39% of scientific workers are women (1968). Among the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of the 8th convocation elected on June 14, 1970, there were 463 women (30.5%; among the deputies of the Supreme Soviet of the 1st convocation, elected in 1937, there were 16.5%). Women make up 45.8% of the deputies of local Councils of Workers' Deputies (elections of 1971). Scientific and technological progress contributes to the liberation of women from domestic work and their further involvement in production and social activities. (....)

(....)Women widely exercise their right to work, education, participation in social and political life.
The emancipation of women in socialist countries has been generally achieved. However, the elimination of the remnants of actual inequality of women in everyday life is a long process that will be completed as a result of the gradual transition from socialism to communism. The CPSU program provides for the creation of all social and living conditions that make it possible to fulfill this task. (....)

(....) The isolation of a significant portion of women from economic and socio-political life, the low political and cultural level, and in a number of countries mass illiteracy (at the end of the 1960s, women constituted more than 85% of the total number of illiterate people throughout the world) hinder their active participation in political life. In many bourgeois countries, legal inequality of women in family and marital relations remains. Discrimination against women in wages persists. Laws on equal pay for equal work, adopted in a number of countries (Italy, France, Germany, Argentina, Canada, Turkey, etc.), as well as international conventions, are violated. In Great Britain at the end of the 1960s, out of 9 million working women, only 1.5 million received equal wages with men. In the USA (data from the end of the 1960s), women, who make up 51% of the population and 37% of the working population, receive 42% less for their work than men, and this wage gap increased in the 1950s and 1960s. Discrimination against women is also manifested in difficulties in obtaining a profession and education and in the absence of the necessary conditions for combining work with the fulfillment of family responsibilities. In a number of capitalist countries, the proportion of women among highly qualified workers remains extremely insignificant. In the USA, only 1% of engineers, 3% of lawyers, 7% of doctors and 9% of scientists are women. The unemployment rate among women in 1969 in the USA was 4.7%, and among men 2.8%. In all non-socialist countries, peasant women and agricultural workers especially suffer from discrimination. (...)

That is, a politician acting in line with Soviet conservatism will not directly deny feminism. Most likely, his conservatism will manifest itself more strongly in the fight against the LGBT movement.
 
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Sorry to butt in again, but this contradicts the official view of the Soviet leadership. Here's what you can find in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia:

If we look at the article "Women's Question", the position there is expressed as follows:


That is, a politician acting in line with Soviet conservatism will not directly deny feminism. Most likely, his conservatism will manifest itself more strongly in the fight against the LGBT movement.
Yes, the official position of Soviet leadership is that feminism has already achieved all its goals in USSR and the socialist world, with the oppression of women remaining a problem only in capitalist countries. Second-wave feminism, however, which dares to imply that Soviet women actually still suffer from plenty of oppression and it needs to be addressed by something other than the vague "communism will fix it", is Western propaganda intent on subverting the achievements of socialism and thus banned.
 
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As a resident of 2020s America I can no longer call the OTL Soviet Union a gerontocracy without grimly laughing to myself...
I mean...the average age of a member of the Soviet Politburo during the time of Brezhnev's death was 70. The average US congresscritter is "only" 60.
 
Comparing the average age of the entire congress is like comparing the average age of the supreme soviet though, a more accurate Politburo comparison would be the ~20 most senior members of the ruling party rather than the entire legislature. And I bet that number is a lot closer to, if not in excess of, 70.
 
My understanding is that 1st wave Feminism was about women getting the vote and generally not being legal property of men, while 2nd wave Feminism was about getting full legal equality, including stuff like employment. Our USSR has been more eager than the west to expand the roles in society women are allowed to have in the mid 20th century. What teachings does 2nd wave Feminism have that Socialist "one and a halfth wave" Feminism yet lacks?
 
Soviet feminism doesn't need to fight for basic legal rights like ability to open a bank account or hold a job to the same extent that Western feminism does, but there are still mountains of social barriers to actual equality existing in Soviet society. Glass ceilings in the professional world, expectations surrounding marriage + children/contraceptives, casual sexism and objectification from all angles, etc.
 
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