I disagree with your use of fascist I don't see any death camps or other stuff associated with it.No. Microgravity combined with at the very least femtotech grey goo is a bad idea as there is not enough gravity to hold Tiberium dust from just starting to free float around the solar system.
We don't need to retool our entire economy, just the resource gathering.
There are some Tiberium fragments in space from the Liquid Tiberium explosion from Temple Prime being hit with an Ion Cannon, but we should get those while cleaning up space orbits. Hopefully. If not then we will have Tiberium abatement/clean up to do in space down the line.
Like the reason anime is so anti-government in most cases and for most of it's history is because it started as a counter-culture in Japan. See here: Zenkyoto : A Brief Overview on the History of Leftism in Japan and its influence on Otaku Culture Essay
So no Japan's work with Nuclear power is an example we don't want to emulate. Quite frankly I'm surprised that Japan hasn't been overrun by NOD yet and is still a Blue Zone.
Except that isn't really true. Japan started by being run by mostly the same assholes that ran it during the Imperial period since the US wanted an ally/puppet state in the Pacific that would fight against communism. It's a testament to the efforts of various human rights activists in Japan that it is as progressive as it is. No I'm not being sarcastic, yes I am aware that Japan is very conservative.
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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
Death camps are a Nazi thing, Fascist use Concentration and Penal camps. In fact Italian fascist were having friction with the German Nazis over the fact they weren't putting Jews into Death camps.
Didn't Ithillid not say he can't figure out how to put in Red alert so he's not doing it? and the 2 thing is that I want us to do the most moral thing like giving Kane a life sentence in solitary confinement for the crimes against humanity he has done but if we did he is likely to not go down with a fight and destroy the stuff we need to try the save Earth so we have to unfortunately compromise and make a deal likely and that is what I am talking about tiberium there a very very unfortunate compromise we might have to make but I hope we don't have to.
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
My point was about the original writers of Tiberium Dawn (Edit and by extent the rest of humanity since not many writers are able to imagine the full horror of a total scorched war these days and fewer still would write them) doing that to justify their own setting to themselves not Ithilid and thank you for clarifying that. Fair point then.
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Durabys
Miaow! Break the Chains!
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- the land of the Boii
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- He/Him
Idea:
Standard not!Scrin protocol for dealing with multi-planet/FTL civilizations.
Dark Forrest hypothesis. OTL TibEarth was basically just a mining options run by a few De Beers expies.
Both the C&C and BT not!Scrin realized that seeding Tib onto a planet of an interstellar polity is basically giving infinite amount of space and time for the polity to totally reverse engineer tib or at least become competing Snot!crin!like specie in time without getting eaten first.
The not!Scrin do not suffer potential threats or future possible competition.
So anyone not a single-planet pre-postindustrial civilization gets bum rushed into oblivion by the actual not!Scrin space military once found out.
Would explain WHY there are no alien civilizations in BTverse.
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I don't remember or know much about some stuff sorry.
Crafter of War
The Dorf
- Location
- Bend
God, how many times is it now that whenever Nod had an advantage in something, Granger would just turn around and slap them with a hard counter? Like, I remember us pull out the Ablat plates just when Nod started to put out laser weapons. Then with them trying to take out a hub, only to run face-first into a fleet of Super MARVs. Now right when it seemed like the only counter they had to our artillery was their stealth arty, we immediately roll a 100 with stealth disruption development. Man no wonder Nod sees Granger as the boogyman.
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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- in lockdown waiting and bored...
We are so worried about Kane MASTERSTROKEtm that we forget that we are also masterstroking NOD lol.
This is probably going to be viewed as rank heresy, but it might not be a bad idea to make a bit of a reserve at the end of this 4yp to kick start the next one. Or at least have the last year focus more on preparation that exploitation of rpt. For example making sure we have extra logistics, energy, processing, and capital goods so we can just invest in tib mining without having to slow down to do those things when we are trying to get out budget back on track.
SMARVs are good at a number of things at once, but not very much of any one thing. They give income, mitigation, and military strong points - but it takes 300+ progress, two turns, and a good deal of resources before we get any pay off. They would be more attractive if we had a military PC though.
Kane is going to kill any asshole that so much as looks at time travel. That was a mess to live through, and he will never do so again!
I could get behind that but why would you want to have the Tib completely vanish as well? GDI losing the thing their entire tech base is built on seems like it'd put them way too far behind (plus lose out on the opportunity for interesting hybrid techs).
Plus keeping it would work out better story wise in the long run, as there are plenty of people in the Inner Sphere dumb enough to spread Tib offworld for whatever reason (either knowingly trying to steal it or unknowingly taking it with them after a raid/landing due to no decontamination on their ships/people/mechs) which would give a pretty big incentive for GDI to actually branch out into the wider galaxy to help contain it rather than turtling up and remaining incredibly insular like some people were worried about with the Mass Effect thing.
It's not like the Great Houses/Comstar etc would listen to the warnings of 'primitive superstitious periphery barbarians' about mutant world eating crystals at first after all, they have far more worlds/resources than GDI have so obviously they'll have no problems at all.
Edit: Looking at all the plans given would it not be feasible to start working on Vein Mines in the near future? When the Tib mutation hits it'll hit hard initially and i'm worried that a bunch of 'safe' areas are going to end up swallowed by the stuff underground that we've been ignoring.
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Durabys
Miaow! Break the Chains!
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- the land of the Boii
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- He/Him
*Insert Mr.Bison Yes! Meme*
Nod's tech base is built on Tiberium. Not ours. And the not!Scrin invaders would bring along Tiberium again into the IS. Asteroid mining will be nearly as good Tib mining...without the ever present danger of getting eaten alive.
That scenario could permit samples of Tib surviving in GDI laboratories.
I am now imagining the next step after Radiation/Radar Seeking Missiles: Stealth Seeking Missiles. It is a good feeling.
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- Cara Fahd
With everything, I wonder if the Orca refit will include the Stealth Disruptor.
It would make for a nasty machine: a fast well-armed air-air and air-ground platform with the disruptor package for patrol, CAS, hunter killer and escort missions.
Edit: Thinking about it, the MLRS would be a good platform too: fast, versatile, all-terrain and capable of AA fire.
It would make for a nasty machine: a fast well-armed air-air and air-ground platform with the disruptor package for patrol, CAS, hunter killer and escort missions.
Edit: Thinking about it, the MLRS would be a good platform too: fast, versatile, all-terrain and capable of AA fire.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah, I'm with it. The easy surge of glacier mining projects we exploited to get our RpT back on track in 2054 isn't going to be as easy this time.
Also, one way to build up a reserve is (drumroll) orbital clearance projects! We get a big slug of one-time resource income the turn after, and they're cheap up-front; we have enough fusion dice that we could theoretically spend 3+6 Orbital+Free dice, invest 90 Resources, and probably get back, uh... 6.5 stages of the project, something like 150-210 Resources back out. On the other hand, we'd be spending dice on that in 2057Q4, which is also a great time to complete space station projects for Political Support we can cash in to get more reasonable plan targets, so...
I'm pretty sure the ULRS ('Universal,' not 'Multiple') isn't the best choice as a counter-stealth platform, because most of its fire missions will be indirect fire long range bombardments. The ability to detect stealth aircraft would be nice if we're using it as a mobile SAM launcher, mind you.
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- Northish
Tiberium has replaced our entire mining, refinement, and prospecting infrastructure so we are still quite dependent if we are being honest. Nothing is going to be as good as Tib as it can give whatever element you want in the qualities you want right out of a refinery. Anything from the belt will need orders of mangnitude more infrastructure and investment even if it will not eat the miners.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
So we will be getting a Juggernaut upgrade action down the line then. Probably when we have enough artillery shells.
It is an upgrade to the factories and may net us something more to do after completed.
Fair enough. Good point.
You are overlooking two important things:
1) Every piece of Tiberium harvesting we do will at the bare minimum give us 1/5th of it's gains permanently (so we want to build up Tiberium harvesting to the point where we have 700*5 = 3 500 income to be able to use all our dice regardless of budget) so there is no reason to stop all Tib mining and we should start Blue Zone Tiberium mines at this point so that we don't have to play catch up when the mutation hits. We should leave glaciers specifically for the next plan to get more income sooner when we start it, but the rest of Tib mining should still be built up both for gains and abation so we decrease the amount of Tiberium infestation as much as we can.
2) MARV Hubs don't just provide abation and resources. I mean in the Red Zone they do, but we know that in the Yellow Zone they also provide Labor over time in exchange for Housing and we have no idea what they provide in the Blue Zone. We will need to build up the Yellow Zone MARV Hubs for the Labor gain soon, but that is a concern for the next plan. Although if we build up the military fast enough under this plan I would recommend finishing the Hub in YZ 5b.
- Location
- Africa
pretty sure they provide political points
trooperist
Cinnamon Roll AI
So I'm just going to talk about Tiberium Processing, Logistics, and the possibility of not springing for more Tiberium processors since power is in short supply.
With the stage three of Chicago completed and the completion of the recent Yellow Zone Harvesting phase (10 resources), we currently have 155 Processing capacity remaining. Most likely we'll throw a dice at Yellow Zone Intensification which will net us 5-10 more Resources leaving us with 145-150 processing. We would still probably have the processing capacity for one red zone harvest (10-20) and two glacier mines (40-60) for a payoff of 90-140 Resources, within our Processing cap. We could also get a nice buffer by completing the second stage of Mecca which would give us 60 Processing and have more than enough space for further Yellow Zone harvesting and Containment Lines.
The problem is that glacier mining is getting real pricey with Logistics, with the next stage costing 5 Logistics. The next glacier stage Logistics cost might be cheaper or it might be more painful to pay. In that case the easiest way to build up our Logistics would be to complete Rail Link Reconstruction for 4 Logistics and Orbital Comms for 2 Logistics. If things get really desperate we might spend a Cap Good and build Automated Civilian Shipyards to get 8 Logistics.
With the stage three of Chicago completed and the completion of the recent Yellow Zone Harvesting phase (10 resources), we currently have 155 Processing capacity remaining. Most likely we'll throw a dice at Yellow Zone Intensification which will net us 5-10 more Resources leaving us with 145-150 processing. We would still probably have the processing capacity for one red zone harvest (10-20) and two glacier mines (40-60) for a payoff of 90-140 Resources, within our Processing cap. We could also get a nice buffer by completing the second stage of Mecca which would give us 60 Processing and have more than enough space for further Yellow Zone harvesting and Containment Lines.
The problem is that glacier mining is getting real pricey with Logistics, with the next stage costing 5 Logistics. The next glacier stage Logistics cost might be cheaper or it might be more painful to pay. In that case the easiest way to build up our Logistics would be to complete Rail Link Reconstruction for 4 Logistics and Orbital Comms for 2 Logistics. If things get really desperate we might spend a Cap Good and build Automated Civilian Shipyards to get 8 Logistics.
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- his hidden lair
It is rather telling the Scrin use Tiberium mutation inhibitors to keep it from out adapting them and their technology. And we're a long, long ways from being as suited to Tiberium as the Scrin are.
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- Earth
Now if we can only get those mutation inhibitors showing up as a project in addition to the regular growth inhibitors project then it would be really nice.
But word on the street is the mutation inhibitors won't show up until the coming Q1.
But word on the street is the mutation inhibitors won't show up until the coming Q1.
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- Africa
The GDI already has the tech to develop hovertanks , though we will have to spend research dice to develop a main battle tank hover craft
Hover Multiple Launch Rocket System
The Hover Multiple Launch Rocket System (Hover MLRS) was a fast attack vehicle used by the Global Defense Initiative during the Second Tiberium War and the Firestorm Crisis. These mobile rocket launcher systems were developed after the First Tiberium War and were designed to replace the aging...
Shatterer
With the massive development of harmonic resonance technology and creation of sonic emitters, GDI also miniaturized the technology and mounted it on a vehicle. The resulting vehicle was the Shatterer, a HoverTech sonic platform. Following the Firestorm Crisis and infighting in Nod, GDI shifted...
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- Northish
If we have the ability to defy gravity then I can't help but feel our spacecraft would have utilized it. It seems strange that we have this project if we have effective gravity nullification already tucked away in a warehouse.The GDI already has the tech to develop hovertanks , though we will have to spend research dice to develop a main battle tank hover craft
Hover Multiple Launch Rocket System
The Hover Multiple Launch Rocket System (Hover MLRS) was a fast attack vehicle used by the Global Defense Initiative during the Second Tiberium War and the Firestorm Crisis. These mobile rocket launcher systems were developed after the First Tiberium War and were designed to replace the aging...cnc-central.fandom.com
Shatterer
With the massive development of harmonic resonance technology and creation of sonic emitters, GDI also miniaturized the technology and mounted it on a vehicle. The resulting vehicle was the Shatterer, a HoverTech sonic platform. Following the Firestorm Crisis and infighting in Nod, GDI shifted...
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- Earth
GDI's hover capability comes from pushing a lot of air downwards and floating on that cushion of air. You'll notice Slingshots and Shatterers blow a lot of dust around themselves. Scrin hover is actually defying gravity.
EDIT: Me speel gud.
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