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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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BZ 18 in the Himalayas got sieged in the Regency war, almost completely cut off from outside access by Nod. Isfahani controls what's left of Pakistan and Iran, meaning if we want to secure that Blue Zone he's the best target for us to go through by rebuilding Karachi. Problem with doing that is the bastard is known as Shah of the Atom, you can guess what he likes to use more than any other Nod warlord.
 
RCNAnon said:
Staff officers field manual on nuclear engagements.

Older stuff but anyone who tells you they know the real current documents are lying.
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Or are on War Thunder forums.

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More seriously, the Shah is an upper end minor warlord, based on the Conclave scene at the end of the Regency War. Not one of the top warlords, but like one step below them. And the most important thing about him is that he, IIRC, has a full nuclear triad (air launch, land launch, sea launch). If InOps prevented some of the launches, they'd likely be land or air launches, given the relative ease to get to a silo/mobile launcher or air base compared to a sub or ship (probably just sub).

So we have 42 attempted salvos. 12 blocked (~29% of attempts), 25 intercepted (~60% of the attempts). 5 had something penetrate (~12% of attempts). I gotta wonder what the state of his triad is now. I mean, he could've shot his bolt in the "use it or lose it" school of thought for nuke usage. OTOH, he could've kept some back in the event further strikes are needed, which leads to the question of if he still has a full triad.

As for Jeddah, how many hit it? Well, if 25% of the strikes includes the ones InOps prevented, that's 10-11 salvos pointed at it. If we spread the salvos across all 42 attempts, it's ~1 salvo that got through to some degree at Jeddah. But it could also be possible that all salvos pointed at Jeddah got prevented or intercepted. If it doesn't count prevented ones, that's 7-8 salvos pointed at it, and potentially ~1 that got through.

Which means the fun part is - how many missiles are in a salvo, and how many of them are MIRV warheads? And what other areas were targeted by salvos?
 
There was absolutely no reason for him to not fire every single land based missile he had, this is an existential conflict for him and he knows it. He also knows we would be idiots to not try to neutralize his land based installations, the easiest to destroy, as soon as hostilities began. Similarly, his air launched assets were at very least deployed, and it's very likely he has some nuclear armed Varyags loitering somewhere. If he believed he can actually drag this out, he'd keep his subs hidden and in reserve for followup strikes.
 
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how many of them are MIRV warheads?
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The good news is that MIRV warheads are probably more or less extinct for strategic munitions, due to GDI swearing to avoid using nukes and Nod having to deal with GDI's denial of the upper atmosphere. This is because MIRVs are pretty bulky, so don't exactly easily fit onto the low altitude missile designs Nod's strategic WMD weapons would be by necessity. Basically a MIRV warhead bus (think that's the right terminology) has a lot easier time fitting into a 2 metre or wider ICBM than it does the half metre diameter cruise missiles. Well, actually the metre and a half wide Minuteman III apparently has MIRV capability, but it's only 3 warheads it seems rather than the 10+ of more modern ICBM designs. Still a lot wider than cruise missiles however.

So basically it means that we can expect one missile launched to equal one warhead that needs to be intercepted. The bad news is that this also means that each missile near certainly going to be powered right up until detonation, which makes shooting them down a potentially much more difficult task. On the other hand, it does sharply limit how many there are to shoot down.
 
I would estimate that al Isfahani has shot all his strategic nukes. Simply put, not using those when he is about to be steamrollered by GDI is stupid, GDI is not distracted by the Regency War and stockpiled an absurd overmatch of forces for the Karachi offensives. His best bet is to either make GDI regret it by hammering our population centers, or by cutting the legs out of the invasion force by flattening every harbour and airfield in range so the forces we deploy are deprived of supplies.

The best way to do that in the face of an effective defense against your attacks is by just hammering it as much as you can until you run out of ammo, and GDI's nuclear defenses are actually pretty damn good when 4/5th of the salvos launched had nothing get through, except possibly some debris that went through a roof or something.


This, however, does not mean that al Isfahani has no nukes left. I suspect he does, meant for battlefield use, that he intends to use to wipe out landed forces.
 
So the Mecca/Jeddah refinery complex got levelled, I guess. Not unexpected as that would be a relatively easy target.

Civilian casualties might be fairly low though, as between InOps, that it was to be expected when hostilities would happen, and surely the neighbours of the Shah of the Atom have built shelters; I'd be expecting most people to have got to a shelter in time.

The humanitarian costs are going to be large though. We've got the Food, but logistically it may be hard to get things where they need to be during the conflict.
 
That's a good point. The human cost of war and Blue Zone Unification is all well and good for philosophers to quibble over, but hows this factor into our Numbers Go Up?

This is probably doing us no favors on our Labor and Capitol Goods numbers, and the loss of refineries is no fun either. We are however moving towards the Xeno Refineries, and fortunately we didn't focus on them this turn, so trading for those shouldn't be too painful. Labor isn't great either, but we have such a huge Health stockpile and the Emergency Health from autodocs that it should be as fine as one could hope.

So rebuilding might be a pain and might eat into our Karachi dice, but otherwise everything should keep to schedule.
 
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Didn't the Shah use nuclear artillery to break an encirclement during the regency war or am I misremembering it?
 
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