Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
Well I don't think he'll be too pleased we turned his queen to ash and then burned even that.
Well unless they were like Robert and Cersei, in which case he might throw us a party.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Well unless they were like Robert and Cersei, in which case he might throw us a party.
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I'm equally confused. We were supposed to kill the king, not just the queen.
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My current idea, though contingent on favorable information from Bloodraven, would be to have the court split. Their Lord swears to us and the members of the court can either come along with him or instead swear to the Old Gods.
Again. That crown was the physical manifestation of his mind. We have no real idea what his personality will be like when he wakes up, hence me asking for Bloodravens input.
Likely destroyed with her. Anything that can kill a goddess can destroy her artifacts.
- He thinks it could work though they would have to hand over the king for study to be sure. His judgement is that the king was so damaged by what happened as to make whatever the Green Court can 'heal' to be more akin to them than the original which of course is likely the reason they are going with this
- The voices of the Greendream are generally even more in favor than they were before the ritual, though a few have grown wary of R'hllor's universalist tendencies and Viseerys' willingness to work with Him ever since their contact.
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This sounds reasonable.
Better than a war with the most guerilla-war capable faction among the Reach Fey at least.
Better than a war with the most guerilla-war capable faction among the Reach Fey at least.
Is there any actual concern that Viserys would chose R'hllor over them if it came down to it? This sort of implies that, but it seems weird that they'd be worried about that after working with us for so long.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Think about it carefully. Viserys considers his own power before everyone else's. He doesn't screw people over if he can help it, not unless they're very much diametrically opposed to him and unwilling to be convinced from their position, but what if R'hllor get some kind of hold over Viserys?
His positions are "one is all", and the Old Gods, the ORIGINAL Old Gods, went to great lengths to remain themselves so that they could keep working on their old goals even in death, even if they had to share direction with a consensus.
It's more that they are worried at how strong the Red God could get with Viserys' patronage. They recognize that He is stronger than them now and that his strategy for accumulating power would allow Him to grow faster.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
There doesn't appear to be much left, and from what we've learned, I think their Lord might have been one of the Elder Fey. If so, that's basically a god in all ways that matter.
If he wasn't linked to others among the Court of Stars, he probably would have been utterly destroyed like the Queen, but those links channeled a large portion of the destructive power away. That spillover was still enough to bring the CoS to its knees, however.
I agree with that to an extent, but Viserys also shows a lot of attachment and consideration for his closest allies. As cold as he can get, I can't think of a single instance where he's broken faith with a true ally.
As a theoretical concern about R'hllor's rhetoric I get it, but as a specific one that he could find the right shiny to buy treachery from us I don't.
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
It's not an unreasonable fear to have.
We're, and by that I mean Viserys, are the crucial part in the formation of the nascent Imperial pantheon. We try to stay objective of course but we do have some bias if only because we've been working with some of the gods longer than others.
If Big Red ever gets to the top of that list somehow, even by a minuscule amount, he could influence Imperial policy.
It wouldn't be by much, but slopes don't have to be sharp to be slippery.
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Sounds like we need to host some sort of divine high council where the Imperial Gods hash out their differences, agree on common enemies, etc.
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- Germany
Do they not believe that he will eventually burn out (pardon the pun) as most gods of mortals eventually do?
Sure, he can fly high with his millions of believers right now, but the Old Gods will still be around after empires and cultures that are and will be have been crushed under the unstoppable wheel of time.
Long after our Empire has fallen some human might fall asleep under a red-leaved tree and dream of the past. Would make a decent Omake.
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- Germany
[X] Plan Haggling
-[X] You accept their implicit request to not force them into rash decisions, but there are some details that you would wish to be hashed out right now.
--[X] There will be a ceasefire between their court and your realm, which includes a full cessation of hostilities, that your forces will not enter Feywild areas held by their court and their members will not venture into the Prime Material. Hostilities may resume later, but only after a formal declaration of war between you. You will swear mutual oaths to this effect.
--[X] If they are truly interested in the plan to bring the former Lord into the Greendream, they have to hand over his body temporarily for examination by Bloodraven. The body will not be harmed or tampered with while in his care and after his examination is concluded, the body will be returned into their care or kept there until the integration process can be begun, assuming that an agreement has been reached before that point. In the case of resumed hostilities, you will return the body to their care before the state of war can go into effect. After the state of war has gone into effect, you will not make any guarantees about the body. You will swear mutual oaths to this effect.
-[X] Long term, you are proposing the following arrangement, conditional on the examination of the former Lords body being favorable and that both sides are still willing to proceed with this plan once said examinations results are known to them.
--[X] The body will become a Greenseer and be entombed beneath a Weirwood. For security purposes, you are proposing the great tree of Sorcerers Deep, but this is only a suggestion, not a requirement of yours.
--[X] He and the court will swear fealty directly to Viserys.
--[X] All other members of the court are free to renounce their oaths to the court when it becomes sworn to Viserys and instead either take an oath to leave the Prime Material for 100 years, or swear themselves to the Old Gods.
-[X] While Bloodraven is at it to poke around with Greenseers, remind him that your offer to get him down from his throne still stands. Arrangements can be made. Sacrifices can be acquired.
-[X] You accept their implicit request to not force them into rash decisions, but there are some details that you would wish to be hashed out right now.
--[X] There will be a ceasefire between their court and your realm, which includes a full cessation of hostilities, that your forces will not enter Feywild areas held by their court and their members will not venture into the Prime Material. Hostilities may resume later, but only after a formal declaration of war between you. You will swear mutual oaths to this effect.
--[X] If they are truly interested in the plan to bring the former Lord into the Greendream, they have to hand over his body temporarily for examination by Bloodraven. The body will not be harmed or tampered with while in his care and after his examination is concluded, the body will be returned into their care or kept there until the integration process can be begun, assuming that an agreement has been reached before that point. In the case of resumed hostilities, you will return the body to their care before the state of war can go into effect. After the state of war has gone into effect, you will not make any guarantees about the body. You will swear mutual oaths to this effect.
-[X] Long term, you are proposing the following arrangement, conditional on the examination of the former Lords body being favorable and that both sides are still willing to proceed with this plan once said examinations results are known to them.
--[X] The body will become a Greenseer and be entombed beneath a Weirwood. For security purposes, you are proposing the great tree of Sorcerers Deep, but this is only a suggestion, not a requirement of yours.
--[X] He and the court will swear fealty directly to Viserys.
--[X] All other members of the court are free to renounce their oaths to the court when it becomes sworn to Viserys and instead either take an oath to leave the Prime Material for 100 years, or swear themselves to the Old Gods.
-[X] While Bloodraven is at it to poke around with Greenseers, remind him that your offer to get him down from his throne still stands. Arrangements can be made. Sacrifices can be acquired.
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That is the majority opinion on the matter yes. However some of the Dreamers point out to how much the world has changed in an eye blink, from their perspective.
I think you should consider explicitly excluding their leader from the leaving the court bit. He probably wouldn't, but I'd rather not deal with him fucking off and forming a new court with all the same members off plane.
[X] Azel
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- Germany
[X] Azel
I do think it's rather low risk to integrate the Sleeping King into the OGs.
If only he far further from current time and reality than even the OGs in general.
Unless it turns out he is an incredibly active mind and quick learner he will likely stay unimportant in the hivemind.
I do think it's rather low risk to integrate the Sleeping King into the OGs.
If only he far further from current time and reality than even the OGs in general.
Unless it turns out he is an incredibly active mind and quick learner he will likely stay unimportant in the hivemind.
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He'd have to renounce the court to do that, so he leaves behind his metaphysical and narrative power gained from his position.
I give it decent odds that Bloodraven will insert the right kind of personality the moment he gets his withered old hands on that body.
How much did we hate the court of stars vs the seven?
Cause I'm wondering if there will be a 2nd Pantheon Nuke if given the opportunity.
Cause I'm wondering if there will be a 2nd Pantheon Nuke if given the opportunity.