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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Yeah but you need to spend money to get to the shiny.

What're you gonna do without the monies to get the shinies?

LAMENT.
 
Crake said:
The calculus is easier than you think.

I would rather pay half monies, instead of paying all monies.

That's half of one monies we could keep.

MATH.
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That sort of discounts the opportunity cost of that research time. If we can pay for the warforged with raiding or something and use those 50 points of research on either a new useful project or advancing an old one then we get more advantages at an earlier time than we otherwise would.

I'm not saying it's definitely not worth it, just that one option having costs that aren't easily measured in money doesn't automatically make it cheaper. Further, at the scale the Imperium operates at cheaper can sometimes be less important than timely.

I'm all for whatever plan benefits us the most, I just wanted to add my two cents to that evaluation.
 
I might be biased, given that I have to stare and weep at the state of our ledgers every single turn.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This is ultimately a question of time, since once we have the agreement of those who consent to the switch to warforged we can take it at a more reasonable pace. More money is easier to acquire than more research hours, so I'm inclined to just go for the option that lets us start early and charge it to our Efreeti line of credit.

The opportunity cost of the research is also of note; it's time spent researching a solved problem that we could be putting towards our many other projects.

If the cost reduction is really good it might still be worth it, but it'd have to be a extraordinarily good deal to be worth it in my opinion.
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Yeah we definitely need to know how much this earn us, if it earn us 5IM per undead partially sacrificed it's not at all worth it, if it earn us 50IM per undead sacrificed, then it's worth it, if the high calculations for how many we need to turn into Warforged turn out to be true(20k or more undead who want to be warforged) and if it earn us 100IM or more per undead partially sacrificed, then it's worth it as long as the number of undead we need to turn into warforged is above 5-10k(it can be worth it with as little as 5k undead and 100IM per undead, as the income per undead, also determine how valuable this is if we want to use it again later.)
 
tarrangar said:
Yeah we definitely need to know how much this earn us, if it earn us 5IM per undead partially sacrificed it's not at all worth it, if it earn us 50IM per undead sacrificed, then it's worth it, if the high calculations for how many we need to turn into Warforged turn out to be true(20k or more undead who want to be warforged) and if it earn us 100IM or more per undead partially sacrificed, then it's worth it as long as the number of undead we need to turn into warforged is above 5-10k(it can be worth it with as little as 5k undead and 100IM per undead, as the income per undead, also determine how valuable this is if we want to use it again later.)
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What do you mean by "earn" I'm skeptical of the idea that we can extract more value out of this than the body swap process itself costs. Getting the undead to pay an additional fee seems like a waste of the good will we could be earning for with them.

As an aside I don't know if you've seen this spell yet, but that thing you were taking about with targeting ghosts can probably be solved with Soul Transfer.
 
Don't forget to vote, y'all.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:41 PM, finished with 52 posts and 5 votes.
  • [X] Discretely use Varys to converse telepathically, while maintaining your guise and hinting things are not as they seem.
    -[X] While outwardly having a discussion to appear like you are trying to grind him down with the weight of logical despair--that he is 'already apart of the game', you will have an entirely different discussion where no one can hear you.
    -[X] You are Viserys Targaryen, and you are here to help. How that help manifests itself will greatly depend on what he can tell you about the situation. You have already met with the ruler of another Sarnori city, in peace at that, and are preparing to deal with the undead too mad to be reasoned with in the other cities alongside her, while hopefully entreating everyone still sane to join together.
    -[X] You have many reasons for doing so, but chief among them is you suspect that if left alone, the undead of Sarnor are just going to become tools for dark powers, the manner of their being makes them just too vulnerable to the usual avenues and vectors of control and manipulation that living beings are not, and you have a reputation for forging your own allies where instead others would only see enemies.
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@DragonParadox, is it possible to apply the Watchman-Creature template on top of the Seeker (CR 15) unit as a "custom job" of sorts? Fleshforge limit on CR aside, a separate RA of sorts.
Or is the core of the template too intrinsic to apply "on top" of something not made with it in mind?
 
egoo said:
@DragonParadox, is it possible to apply the Watchman-Creature template on top of the Seeker (CR 15) unit as a "custom job" of sorts? Fleshforge limit on CR aside, a separate RA of sorts.
Or is the core of the template too intrinsic to apply "on top" of something not made with it in mind?
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I would rather make a CR 15 Watch-Seeker instead of trying to cram more into The Seeker.
 
Goldfish said:
I would rather make a CR 15 Watch-Seeker instead of trying to cram more into The Seeker.
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Sure, a good sort of "it will fuck you up"-servitor to try and make.

Doesn't excuse the fact we can try to make Seeker a better murderguardingblender, considering it is Rhaella's premier bodyguard by now.

And lest we forget, she is all but useless combat-wize by herself, against the sort of enemies we have.
 
[X] Crake

It would definitely be best to run the queen lady through her... options before we commit to a plan.
 
zxzx24 said:
Reincarnation. She seems excited enough about the imminent ass-whooping to hop on a chariot and ride out herself.

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@Crake I am concerned because I feel like your vote kind of indirectly calls all the undead of sarnor tools.
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Ahh. I imagine this is something we talk out after the battle. Let's bond with undead badass queen and be friends...then we can talk about friend stuff like reincarnation and war forges.
 
[X] Crake

tarrangar said:
I expect Mardosh alone to have much more than that, everyone in the city were returned as undead, and they're all sapient undead, 5000 isn't a city, that's only a town, Mardosh probably has a population at least between 50k and 100k, and I think at least 1 in 5 will want to become a Warforged over remaining undead or passing on to the afterlife, so Mardosh alone should need at least 10k husks, and might need more than 20k husks.
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If your plan is worth it is really going to depend on how many warforged we need to create. 10k husks is "only" 2.25M IM, which is a lot easier for us to spare than 50 research points right now. If its 100k + husks, then justifying the research is a lot easier.
 
Archibald said:
[X] Crake


If your plan is worth it is really going to depend on how many warforged we need to create. 10k husks is "only" 2.25M IM, which is a lot easier for us to spare than 50 research points right now. If its 100k + husks, then justifying the research is a lot easier.
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Again though, the more Warforging we are offering - the more they are paying us for those (I mean c'mon, we won't be doing it out of our heart's desire. We won't make them overpay, but it'll still cost them a little bit over every body's made self-production cost), the closer we are tied even if they aren't immediately vassalized.
Even the horrible-seeming 20kk IM (will sap, what, a third of our total liquid budget?) would eventually be recouped by the province alone, since Warforged, well, are kinda OP compared to squishy hoomans...

But it's not like we'll Warforge them all at once either.
100k+ bodies, Anu's forge-complex won't be able to handle in less than 6 months, I reckon.
 
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Mhm-hhh...
@Crake, I must annoy you with this for all I hate Westeros, because I am keeping track of MAs.

Next month:
[] Diplomancing Chosen of the Smith
[] Diplomancing Chosen of the Crone
[] Diplomancing away/killing Lucan
[] (Maybe) acting on Marwyn's info on Citadel/Lannisters
[] Growing Avatars for Lady of Lys and the Goddess of the Silver Moon
-[] Via items, but that's aight.

[] Visiting Hellven to keep our mark of a trader viable for until after Reconquest.
Who/what else?
 
Starting to write up the infopost on souls and the animus, but first I need to know, which spell exactly do you guys intend to use to make soul gems? I know trap the soul does it but I seem to recall another one cased on a cacodaemon's soul capture can do it, but I can't remember the name and because this is a new PC I don't have it in the history anymore.
 
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