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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Plan Pruning the Opposition
-[X] Once Qyburn is back from his trip, he will make a custom Necrocraft that will not use his special techniques and instead appear like an undead giant aligned with the Others. Give him a Blue Ice weapon to add to the ruse.
-[X] Said creature, controlled by a Greater Bloodclot Mold together with two Very Old Myrkdreki and a larger number of disposable animal zombies will ambush Brynden Tullys forces. The Myrkdreki will not show themselves, instead using illusions to sell the Other connection of the undead and using offensive spells to kill VIPs in the chaos, mainly the more level headed of the bunch.
-[X] Dany imbues both Myrkdreki with Rest Eternal, to be cast on Brynden to assure his demise.
-[X] The fake giant will call to duel Brynden, allegedly to collect on a debt made by Lysa Arryn, and slay him in battle before being felled by his knights. The mold uses it's powers to teleport away at this point.
-[X] Ask Dalla and Bloodraven to keep a close eye on the knights afterwards. Further encouragement might be in order to ensure they get it into their head to slay Lisa Arryn and her "monster child".
-[X] Prepare to exfiltrate Lisa Arryn, preferably in the wake of an attack on her, to sow the maximum amount of confusion. Those wishing her death will claim she has absconded with her dark fey allies, while those loyal to her will accuse the first group to have killed her for political gain, ensuring that the Arryn loyalists and Seven fanatics attack each other.
-[X] Move on to the Kings Landing topics.

Added Rest Eternal and specified to proceed with KL.
 
Duesal said:
It's to clear out the ones who would oppose us. The ones this plan targets are Arryn loyalists, and House Arryn is going to be deposed and stripped of their lands and titles. Obviously this would cause the Arryn loyalists to protest, so we're much better off if they fight among themselves before we take over.
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No, thats the easy way. The actually efficient way would be to handle this would be to use our diplomacy to prevent them from rebelling and costing thousands of lives. Since people are people and we are very good at turning people, ffs we turned stannis we can turn most of the lords.

If anyone still resist we can deploy the pretorians and level them. A civil war nets us a weaker assets while surgical operations net us higher leveled troops.
 
Ok i am going to try my hand a different vote from azel because i disagree with what he intends in that vote.

Can someone point me to the list of assets we have free.
 
I'm actually pretty concerned about trying to false flag The Others as being the source.

1) As Bloodraven noted, its would be highly unusual/alarming for them to operate that far South while Summer is still going strong. It would probably raise red flags among those who "matter" or people magically adept/knowlegable enough to realize something's up. Sure a lot of those in Westeros would be people like Lanna Lannister or the Chosen, who we'll probably be killing off, but part of me feels wary about raising more attention than needed.
2) Probably paranoia but I'm partly worried that acting under the guise of the Others would memetically give them power/influence. Yes it's not technically connected to them or the Void, but it's something designed to intentionally ape them and I'm worried that narrative thread could be pulled and grown beyond what we want. Since Fey and stories. And they'd be especially keen to dick us over after the snubbing at the Thenns.

Not sure exactly what we can create, but I don't wanna invoke the Others into this at all.

[X] Plan Pruning the Opposition, no involving the Others.
-[X] Once Qyburn is back from his trip, he will make a custom Necrocraft that will not use his special techniques and instead appear like an generic monstrous nature fey
-[X] Said creature, controlled by a Greater Bloodclot Mold together with two Very Old Myrkdreki and a larger number of disposable animal zombies, designed to look like dark or corrupted nature spirits, will ambush Brynden Tullys forces. The Myrkdreki will not show themselves, instead using illusions to sell the Other connection of the undead and using offensive spells to kill VIPs in the chaos, mainly the more level headed of the bunch.
-[X] Dany imbues both Myrkdreki with Rest Eternal, to be cast on Brynden to assure his demise.
-[X] The fake giant will call to duel Brynden, allegedly to collect on a debt made by Lysa Arryn, and slay him in battle before being felled by his knights. The mold uses it's powers to teleport away at this point.
-[X] Ask Dalla and Bloodraven to keep a close eye on the knights afterwards. Further encouragement might be in order to ensure they get it into their head to slay Lysa Arryn and her "monster child".
-[X] Prepare to exfiltrate Lysa Arryn, preferably in the wake of an attack on her, to sow the maximum amount of confusion. Those wishing her death will claim she has absconded with her dark fey allies, while those loyal to her will accuse the first group to have killed her for political gain, ensuring that the Arryn loyalists and Seven fanatics attack each other.
-[X] Move on to the Kings Landing topics.

Thoughts Qyburn can probably whip up a dispoable undead minion that doesn't look like an undead and fits a Westerosi Knight's perception of "evil gribble." These dudes don't have a ton of knowledge nature and aracana I imagine, so no need to go too deep into making things. And we know that they've already encountered Red Caps et al, so it might fit the narrative better if we had the ambushing monsters resemble the Fey Lysa's actually in league with.
 
Acolyte said:
No, thats the easy way. The actually efficient way would be to handle this would be to use our diplomacy to prevent them from rebelling and costing thousands of lives. Since people are people and we are very good at turning people, ffs we turned stannis we can turn most of the lords.

If anyone still resist we can deploy the pretorians and level them. A civil war nets us a weaker assets while surgical operations net us higher leveled troops.
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Stannis was a special case for multiple reasons. We spent dozens of updates slowly diplomancing him, showing him that Robert was utterly incompetent, healing his daughter, etc. We are not going to have that same amount of time to invest in a bunch of random Arryn loyalists, hence the motion to have them just fight among themselves. It's obviously going to cause casualties, but that's better than us stamping down intrigue after intrigue in wake of our conquest. The more of them end up dead the better.
 
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I do prefer the version which doesn't attempt to implicate the Others. They don't need any help being villified, and there are plenty of inhuman enemies in the Vale who could target Brynden.
 
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Ok. Let me get this straight:

1. I'm trying to murder Robert Arryn. Somehow. Despite my vote not actually including any plan to that effect, instead actually specifically mentioning to spent effort on preserving his life.

2. I'm going to spawn a civil war that will kill thousands. Somehow. Despite the mobilization of the Vale levies taking weeks, which has to happen after weeks of escalating tensions, and will somehow happen before we invade.

3. I'm going to... I don't bloody know why it's supposed to be a bad idea to blame this on the Others when we are clearly their enemies and Westeros at large could do with some actually starting to take this shit seriously, but whatever. I'm trying to intrigue, so of course I'm not allowed to involve anyone else. For some reason.

Any other hot takes?
 
Azel said:
Ok. Let me get this straight:

1. I'm trying to murder Robert Arryn. Somehow. Despite my vote not actually including any plan to that effect, instead actually specifically mentioning to spent effort on preserving his life.

2. I'm going to spawn a civil war that will kill thousands. Somehow. Despite the mobilization of the Vale levies taking weeks, which has to happen after weeks of escalating tensions, and will somehow happen before we invade.

3. I'm going to... I don't bloody know why it's supposed to be a bad idea to blame this on the Others when we are clearly their enemies and Westeros at large could do with some actually starting to take this shit seriously, but whatever. I'm trying to intrigue, so of course I'm not allowed to involve anyone else. For some reason.

Any other hot takes?
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I honestly doubt masquerading as the Others will have a bad effect. Pretending to be a fey doesn't mean we play by their rules.
 
Azel said:
3. I'm going to... I don't bloody know why it's supposed to be a bad idea to blame this on the Others when we are clearly their enemies and Westeros at large could do with some actually starting to take this shit seriously, but whatever. I'm trying to intrigue, so of course I'm not allowed to involve anyone else. For some reason.
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All else aside, I don't get this one either.
At all.
Like, holy hell, it's not like they are even sufficiently Fey/Divine to grow in power on stories alone!
Of course we should make them seem as much of a danger as we can!
Maybe some people would actually be more sensible down the line, then.
 
It won't be a civil war...it will be an internal faction conflict which could lead to a war...if we give it time to. Which we won't. Because we are invading quite rapidly.
 
Duesal said:
Stannis was a special case for multiple reasons. We spent dozens of updates slowly diplomancing him, showing him that Robert was utterly incompetent, healing his daughter, etc. We are not going to have that same amount of time to invest in a bunch of random Arryn loyalists, hence the motion to have them just fight among themselves. It's obviously going to cause casualties, but that's better than us stamping down intrigue after intrigue in wake of our conquest. The more of them end up dead the better.
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No tho, that is actively beneficial for us. Us stammping down intrigue lets the inquisition have something to do and level more. And we only have to convince the arryns and blackfish from rebelling, which i am pretty sure we can do with a few passes by our battleships alongside the erye. We give them a large lordship to live. That should be sufficient to cow them into obedience. People aren't that hard to stop from rebelling. And i would rather have low level intrigue instead of increasing lawlessness and have thousands die because we were feeling lazy.

I mean for gods sake we already spent so long on diplomamcing lords whats a few more. And anyway, once we revel the fey changling thing it would kill most rebellions.

Also we could just kill the aryns and parcel out the land to loyal lords and the potential rebels to pacify them. Nothing ensures peace more than self intrest.

Pair that with a legion deployed in the area and i doubt it would be much trouble.
 
Azel said:
Ok. Let me get this straight:

1. I'm trying to murder Robert Arryn. Somehow. Despite my vote not actually including any plan to that effect, instead actually specifically mentioning to spent effort on preserving his life.

2. I'm going to spawn a civil war that will kill thousands. Somehow. Despite the mobilization of the Vale levies taking weeks, which has to happen after weeks of escalating tensions, and will somehow happen before we invade.

3. I'm going to... I don't bloody know why it's supposed to be a bad idea to blame this on the Others when we are clearly their enemies and Westeros at large could do with some actually starting to take this shit seriously, but whatever. I'm trying to intrigue, so of course I'm not allowed to involve anyone else. For some reason.

Any other hot takes?
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I don't actually think there is anything wrong with implicating the Others, it just seems like there are inhuman creatures in the Vale who might be more likely to target Brynden, Dark Fey for example, or Undead who have crawled out of a forgotten barrow somewhere.

Either way works for me.
 
Goldfish said:
I don't actually think there is anything wrong with implicating the Others, it just seems like there are inhuman creatures in the Vale who might be more likely to target Brynden, Dark Fey for example, or Undead who have crawled out of a forgotten barrow somewhere.

Either way works for me.
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Undead tend to be Other aligned though and a souped up Necrocraft is our easiest way to get a fully disposable attacker that they can defeat.

1 + 1 = Blame the Others
 
Acolyte said:
No tho, that is actively beneficial for us. Us stammping down intrigue lets the inquisition have something to do and level more. And we only have to convince the arryns and blackfish from rebelling, which i am pretty sure we can do with a few passes by our battleships alongside the erye. We give them a large lordship to live. That should be sufficient to cow them into obedience. People aren't that hard to stop from rebelling. And i would rather have low level intrigue instead of increasing lawlessness and have thousands die because we were feeling lazy.
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The Inquisition isn't looking for something to do, it already has too much to do. There are cultists to hunt, Deep Ones to fight, etc etc. Diverting them to deal with a bunch of Arryn Loyalists cuts into far more important things. Also, the rule of the law would increase in the aftermath, not decrease. The ones who die in these machinations would primarily be Arryn loyalists, the ones who would try to fight against deposing the Arryns. With them defunct as a power bloc nothing will stand in our way from taking the Vale.
Acolyte said:
I mean for gods sake we already spent so long on diplomamcing lords whats a few more. And anyway, once we revel the fey changling thing it would kill most rebellions.

Also we could just kill the aryns and parcel out the land to loyal lords and the potential rebels to pacify them. Nothing ensures peace more than self intrest.

Pair that with a legion deployed in the area and i doubt it would be much trouble.
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That's not going to work the way you guys hope it will. The Arryn kid's status as a changeling wasn't a secret at all, nor was his sudden explosive growth once his father died. There were rumors about it. But these loyalist lords still support him anyway.
 
Trying to articulate my concerns about the Other thing some more. Essentially we have an undead, intentionally designed to look like an Other, given the accoutrements to match and told to act like an Other. Sure it's made with pure Old God and Valyrian juice, with Qyburn's modifcations to prevent external mind control and an OG blot clot on top of it as a controller, but essentially has all the surface trappings that'd come with an actual Other servant. And I'm afraid the Others as a kinda divine Fey hive mind (they're the equal and opposite side to the Old Gods after all) would be people in the best position to turn surface trappings into actual reality. For instance, if we for whatever did this to false flag Mammon he might be peeved or spend more(?) resources to get at us, but I'm concerned that the Fey of all enemies would have a way to forcefully make the minion we send out adopt the "role" of Other servant for real.
 
Anyway i would rather just lend some reinforcement to the tribes instead of complicated false flag operations.

Can someone please tell me where is the list of assets we have available.
 
A_Somebody said:
Trying to articulate my concerns about the Other thing some more. Essentially we have an undead, intentionally designed to look like an Other, given the accoutrements to match and told to act like an Other. Sure it's made with pure Old God and Valyrian juice, with Qyburn's modifcations to prevent external mind control and an OG blot clot on top of it as a controller, but essentially has all the surface trappings that'd come with an actual Other servant. And I'm afraid the Others as a kinda divine Fey hive mind (they're the equal and opposite side to the Old Gods after all) would be people in the best position to turn surface trappings into actual reality. For instance, if we for whatever did this to false flag Mammon he might be peeved or spend more(?) resources to get at us, but I'm concerned that the Fey of all enemies would have a way to forcefully make the minion we send out adopt the "role" of Other servant for real.
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If that is a possibility, Bloodraven will definitely warn us of the danger.
 
Acolyte said:
Anyway i would rather just lend some reinforcement to the tribes instead of complicated false flag operations.

Can someone please tell me where is the list of assets we have available.
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We have the Inquisition, Legions, many vassels of varying degrees of power, and a bevy of Forge grown servitors. The Forge Mechanics link in my signature has a section that shows what forces we've grown so far.
 
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