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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
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If she is, we can decide that on the dime, but IC Vaela Toland hasn't been in SD for very long at all.
He did not really mess up in the sense of doing or saying something wrong, he just misread lady Toland's motivations. It was a failed sense motive check mechanically not diplomacy.
enigma1995
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[X] Crake
Still seems a little weird to me. Knows the situation with the family pretty well and is a family man. Was the lady just that bad with getting her point across or am I just thinking too much into this?
Edit: Voting now.
[X] Crake
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It never occurred to him that she might consider talking to her daughter something to bargain for. A simple request would have been enough for him to teleport over
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
We explicitly know she's under no continuous enchantments, it was all done with small weak enchantments to convince her to seek adventure, there's no continuous compulsion on her.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with more Dornish intrigues and the joust.
So the lady is just basically asking to talk with her daughter and we get what we want from this?
Crake
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Viserys: The super accommodating Targaryen.
Isn't it funny how much Viserys cares about family though? Best way to win his sympathy, I think.
[X] Crake
She clearly doesn't respect her mother much, so I don't think a letter is the best threat here. If she pulled something like this here she'd be executed right?
Maybe we could let her read through the exact section of the legal code that'd apply to her if she tried this again and make clear to her that if she'd done this in the Imperium we'd have hung her and moved on with our day. preferably while standing at the door to our version of death row.
... the whole "send her sister out into the world to die" thing might be grinding my gears a little.
She clearly doesn't respect her mother much, so I don't think a letter is the best threat here. If she pulled something like this here she'd be executed right?
Maybe we could let her read through the exact section of the legal code that'd apply to her if she tried this again and make clear to her that if she'd done this in the Imperium we'd have hung her and moved on with our day. preferably while standing at the door to our version of death row.
... the whole "send her sister out into the world to die" thing might be grinding my gears a little.
Crake
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At this point, nothing she can do will get through to Vaela on her own, and she can't leave to try convincing her to come back as much as she wants to, it would be too suspicious and it would also be irresponsible of her to leave.
While from our perspective, we would offer to make it happen on principle and not even call it a favor, from hers it is the most important thing she can ask.
Yes, but there is the potential complication of her family drama with significant political consequences if it goes wrong and Teora is exposed.
Crake
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You're not unbiased here, and executing nobles isn't actually a thing done casually. Moreover, it's just an unnecessary mess.|
Also, the letter's contents are the threat, more than what her mother will do. We are basically saying that we will take care of it ourselves and she is merely marching in to meet her gaoler. Lady Toland isn't going to want this scandal to get out any more than we do.
Crake
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Also just to add about the overall resolution here, my ideal resolution would be to clear Vaela of enchantments, and arrange some kind of punishment in all but name for Teora with her. Getting her back her birthright is a fair exchange for keeping this scandal on the down-low, considering it doesn't help her House's interests any more than it does our collective interests.
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I know I'm biased here, and that this is tricky politically. I was thinking more as a scare tactic so that we don't have to deal with her doing this again when she gets a slap on the wrist and left in the care of people she doesn't respect.
The lady can still punish her daughter. Just not publicly or making it obvious. Like make her marry the person she suggested before. Then there is the simple fact of the lady knowing which would be bad for the daughter.
Crake
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Oh believe me, I have no intentions of leaving her to do her own business as she pleases. It looks like that Manwoody match is looking oh so very attractive to her suddenly, and I believe there's a thing or two we can do to strip her of spell-casting ability for the long-term. She will also have someone to keep her company until wedding bells ring.
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Things like these are what Mark of Justice was invented for. If you want more, I'm sure the merry band of mad scientists in Gorgossos can figure something out that is more... permanent and thorough.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
She did send her sister out into the world, but there's no hint that she planned for her sister to die.
Vaela isn't enchanted, they didn't use permanent spells to do this, they used things like our social buffs, and social debuffs on her, to convince her that traveling the world was a good idea, there is no active enchantment, merely convincing herm while she was under magic that made her more suggestible, that traveling the world was a great idea.