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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
True, she did seem crazy enough to risk doing it on purpose, especially when her dragon was big enough to devour her on the spot if things went wrong.
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After he was already intelligent enough to understand what the Valyrians in general did to him and still decided not to eat her any further upgrades are propably less crazy.
 
DragonParadox said:
Being fair he did not devour her, thus proving himself quite trustworthy. She can't see past the fourth wall to see the rolls.
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Your earlier statement heavily implies that she actively worked to break the curse, which was in of itself insane. That she got lucky doesn't make her any less insane.

Either way, she and Terrax aren't exactly our problem, so it doesn't matter.
 
[X] Point out your concerns that the two of them care for or at least take an interest in the well-being of the hatchlings which might spring from such a joining, and measures be taken to assuage any worries of dereliction of that duty. The reasoning is even pragmatic from your perspective--Tiamat gets the chance to tempt any Chromatic even before they have hatched, and while you have the tools, both of mind and dream, to help advise and persuade them from this path, it seems more likely to cause her lasting harm if the ones who sire future dragons spurn her at every turn in our collective life cycle.
-[X] The greatest proof that they have forsworn Tiamat in more than mere word is in deed, and you can think of no greater deed than that which would convince you, not even shared battle as with Amrelath and certainly not destruction which you had to turn upon the Mother of Wyrms' own works.
-[X] To make it painfully explicit, if one is not able to read between the lines about what motivates Viserys here, the bare minimum competency in "parenthood" he expects out of dragon vassals is that they teach their children Imperial Law, and the expectation that they follow it within its borders. Protections are also forfeit to those who would leave its borders only to drag in pursuit of justice after them, expecting protection from Viserys for their transgressions is unacceptable under the same clause, and even worse if it causes a conflict with an outside power.
--[X] Viserys will look with favor upon those who manage to instill some actual life lessons and form lasting relationships with those they raise. Protection from harm before one has managed to grow old enough to defend oneself is also a minimum expectation.

Azel said:
Maybe spell out that he and his kids have to follow Imperial law while they are in the Imperium. Just in case.

He *is* a Red after all.
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Exacting enough for ya?
 
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Duesal said:
Your earlier statement heavily implies that she actively worked to break the curse, which was in of itself insane. That she got lucky doesn't make her any less insane.

Either way, she and Terrax aren't exactly our problem, so it doesn't matter.
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She did nothing about the curse before it broke, she didnt even know about it.
She merely chose the most intelligent freshly hatched wyrmling and was very surprised when it started talking many years later.

Breaking the remainder of the curse after that already happened is not crazy.
 
Duesal said:
Your earlier statement heavily implies that she actively worked to break the curse, which was in of itself insane. That she got lucky doesn't make her any less insane.

Either way, she and Terrax aren't exactly our problem, so it doesn't matter.
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Ah sorry about that, didn't mean to imply it. She did not intentionally work to break the curse during the time of that interlude, she just hid the fact that she had an unusually clever dragon and ignored the 'stupid priest warnings'. From her perspective it worked out pretty well other than the exile, which was hardly her dragon's fault .
 
DragonParadox said:
Ah sorry about that, didn't mean to imply it. She did not intentionally work to break the curse during the time of that interlude, she just hid the fact that she had an unusually clever dragon and ignored the 'stupid priest warnings'. From her perspective it worked out pretty well other than the exile, which was hardly her dragon's fault .
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How do you grow up in Valyria thinking "the Priests are just stodgy old idiots braying superstitious nonsense"? You live in a High Magic empire...

I blame her parents...
 
Honestly, Draconic instincts are weird. Dragon breath is clearly crowd control, mechanically, and yet they seem to use it as a nuke despite the fact that once they reach a certain age category, they can do a lot more damage with a full attack (or even better, take the Snatch feat and go for a Grapple). The range is also not amazing, so it's not even a huge safety thing.
They don't usually display much of a survival instinct in other matters...
 
Goldfish said:
At least Valyrian Dragons didn't have to sleep for 100 years for every day of active use. I guess it worked for the Melniboneans, though.
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Probably they took that one day and skipped straight to what the Valyrians did to Old Ghis, rather than fighting five wars and dragging things out.
 
The crazy demon said:
They exchanged that for a sadly ill timed weakness to javelins to the neck.

I mean yes its usually lethal but dragons should be better than that :p
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I mean... full grown dragons have armor scales thicker than plate mail, to be fair.

Fair point, ASoIaF dragons in general have too great a predilection to dying to pointy objects flung at them by either primitive contraptions, or just by primitives in general. Which is to say any account at all of a dragon dying to a mob or to siege engines is too great.
 
Crake said:
Fair point, ASoIaF dragons in general have too great a predilection to dying to pointy objects flung at them by either primitive contraptions, or just by primitives in general. Which is to say any account at all of a dragon dying to a mob or to siege engines is too great.
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Those are mindless dragons though.

Not the kind that teleports in the middle of your fortress and ignores the siege engines for later when the fortress is his.
 
@DragonParadox How did this scaly chap even learn about Ysandrix?

Also it is beyond bold to think about mating someone you haven't spoken two words to...
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 3, 2020 at 2:21 PM, finished with 66 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Point out your concerns that the two of them care for or at least take an interest in the well-being of the hatchlings which might spring from such a joining, and measures be taken to assuage any worries of dereliction of that duty. The reasoning is even pragmatic from your perspective--Tiamat gets the chance to tempt any Chromatic even before they have hatched, and while you have the tools, both of mind and dream, to help advise and persuade them from this path, it seems more likely to cause her lasting harm if the ones who sire future dragons spurn her at every turn in our collective life cycle.
    -[X] The greatest proof that they have forsworn Tiamat in more than mere word is in deed, and you can think of no greater deed than that which would convince you, not even shared battle as with Amrelath and certainly not destruction which you had to turn upon the Mother of Wyrms' own works.
    -[X] To make it painfully explicit, if one is not able to read between the lines about what motivates Viserys here, the bare minimum competency in "parenthood" he expects out of dragon vassals is that they teach their children Imperial Law, and the expectation that they follow it within its borders. Protections are also forfeit to those who would leave its borders only to drag in pursuit of justice after them, expecting protection from Viserys for their transgressions is unacceptable under the same clause, and even worse if it causes a conflict with an outside power.
    --[X] Viserys will look with favor upon those who manage to instill some actual life lessons and form lasting relationships with those they raise. Protection from harm before one has managed to grow old enough to defend oneself is also a minimum expectation.
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Question for the thread:

Is the Everfire smelter a viable desalination plant if modified or are there more practical variants?

I was thinking of using a series of those to take in sea water on the dornish coast, evaporate the water and harvest the salt for economic use while providing freshwater to the cities. Maybe even pipe it into the interior and create artificial lakes as reservoirs for settlements or agricultural purposes. Mostly cash crops like cotton, fruits and so on. Stuff that needs a lot of sun and water and increases availability to the lower classes. And once winter hits, they can provide basic foods to stretch stockpiles as I think they are warm enough even in winter.

There is also using them for magitech Frostpunk in the North. (Or other places once the White Walkers move in force). Pipe around heated water as an artificial hot spring.

Was also thinking about Titan Tools. Are there cheap ass variants that are viable for battlefield shaping? Not mid-combat, but battlefield engineering for the Legion. Small range, nothing fancy. Just earthworks.
 
DakkaMania said:
Question for the thread:

Is the Everfire smelter a viable desalination plant if modified or are there more practical variants?

I was thinking of using a series of those to take in sea water on the dornish coast, evaporate the water and harvest the salt for economic use while providing freshwater to the cities. Maybe even pipe it into the interior and create artificial lakes as reservoirs for settlements or agricultural purposes. Mostly cash crops like cotton, fruits and so on. Stuff that needs a lot of sun and water and increases availability to the lower classes. And once winter hits, they can provide basic foods to stretch stockpiles as I think they are warm enough even in winter.

There is also using them for magitech Frostpunk in the North. (Or other places once the White Walkers move in force). Pipe around heated water as an artificial hot spring.

Was also thinking about Titan Tools. Are there cheap ass variants that are viable for battlefield shaping? Not mid-combat, but battlefield engineering for the Legion. Small range, nothing fancy. Just earthworks.
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There's so many ways to produce fresh water that a desalination facility has questionable returns on investment for us, TBH.
 
Lya could craft a command-activated item of Flash Flood capable of creating 748,000 gallons of fresh water every six seconds. That's 448,800,000 gallons per hour.

It would cost 21,600 IM, or just 16,200 IM after her EA discount is applied. Hardly cheap, but terraforming isn't easy on a tight budget.
 
Goldfish said:
Lya could craft a command-activated item of Flash Flood capable of creating 748,000 gallons of fresh water every six seconds. That's 448,800,000 gallons per hour.

It would cost 21,600 IM, or just 16,200 IM after her EA discount is applied. Hardly cheap, but terraforming isn't easy on a tight budget.
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That seems like something we'd be able to just buy at Vialesk.
 
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