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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
By your second day back the invitations are already pouring in to discus all manner mutually profitable arrangements. Of thes ethree are most notable, first by the Star Admiral of the Splendid Armada, Vialesk's war fleet, showing interest in flesh-crafted war-beasts, secondly by the Grandmaster of the Silt Sifters Guild, the organization responsible for dealing with the city's refuse, interested in looking more into beasts with large large hardy stomachs than big mouths as the smiling messenger had put it and perhaps oddest of all, an envoy of the dragon Kalatrangor who is interested in examples of Efreeti enchantment you may have captured in battle, particularly any giants empowered with sorcery and willing to pay handsomely for them.
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We should offer the Silt Sifters some Fungus Leshies, they're both ideal for dealing with refuse, will gleefully do it, and they reproduce quickly, when they have plenty of refuse to work with.
 
DragonParadox said:
By your second day back the invitations are already pouring in to discus all manner mutually profitable arrangements. Of thes ethree are most notable, first by the Star Admiral of the Splendid Armada, Vialesk's war fleet, showing interest in flesh-crafted war-beasts, secondly by the Grandmaster of the Silt Sifters Guild, the organization responsible for dealing with the city's refuse, interested in looking more into beasts with large large hardy stomachs than big mouths as the smiling messenger had put it and perhaps oddest of all, an envoy of the dragon Kalatrangor who is interested in examples of Efreeti enchantment you may have captured in battle, particularly any giants empowered with sorcery and willing to pay handsomely for them.
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Too late, the giants who were empowered once are dead via Tree of the Dawn Age. There's the various launchers, but we need those for our own research.
 
Duesal said:
Too late, the giants who were empowered once are dead via Tree of the Dawn Age. There's the various launchers, but we need those for our own research.
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We'll propably catch more.
One Autumn Leaf said:
Now that I am thinking about it, where would the Brine Dragons even try to set up dominions in our native plane? Underwater?
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Depends on the Dragon.
They can live on land or under water alike, but not all their minions can.

The Hidecarved with the Merrow would have to stay underwater with his people, I think the one with the Trolls could have both options.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Now that I am thinking about it, where would the Brine Dragons even try to set up dominions in our native plane? Underwater?
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Brine Dragons would try to conquer cities, and there would inevitably be a problem. Their pride is in ruling over lesser beings. It'd be easier if they were lurkers who mostly stayed away from civilization.
DragonParadox said:
He might pay you to go looking for more giants.
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@DragonParadox, so what, he wants any giants that have any form of enhancement? The only ones we've seen ever are the ones who got mythically empowered back in the Salamander Kingdom rebellion. They're not exactly common.

Also, what species is the envoy? Is the envoy a younger dragon?
 
@Crake, since we're already here, we might as well stock up on crafting reagents. I'm sure we have quite a bit left over from last month, but we have a lot more crafters, too. I haven't figured up an estimate of the expected total, but it will probably be above 500,000 IM.
 
Goldfish said:
@Crake, since we're already here, we might as well stock up on crafting reagents. I'm sure we have quite a but left over from last month, but we have a lot more crafters, too. I haven't figured up an estimate of the expected total, but it will probably be above 500,000 IM.
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Why not just get 1.5 million crafting reagents for a comfortable stockpile? That should be a good buffer.
 
Duesal said:
Brine Dragons would try to conquer cities, and there would inevitably be a problem. Their pride is in ruling over lesser beings. It'd be easier if they were lurkers who mostly stayed away from civilization.
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Okay but the main issue with that city conquest notion is the fact that everything Western Essos is ours and god help them if they try and everything past Qohor is either undead or NotChina. I mean Asshai would eat them alive. So Southros is an option but I am pretty sure there are dinosaurs there with higher CR than some of them. Much less the really dangerous shit. So the option becomes Westeros and boy will that be a treat.
 
So, as discussed previously, we can't really trust Kalatrangor not to raid PoB after he's done with selling himself out agaisnt Illithid.
Which is bad.

His forces are good.
Which, considering above, is also bad.

Ergo, I'm not really inclined to go out of our way to try to loot him, unless he proves amenable to giving us some hefty guarantees.
On the other hand, if he does help us cleanse Deep Ones... Without cheating afterwards...
He'll get a lot more than just "some" Giants.

Vialesk's Star Admiral = military support from the city... while weakening the city for a bit. So they won't send too many people, but on the other hand...
We can pretty much craft people now, given enough bling.
And bling they'll have aplenty, I'm sure.

Help with cleansing is easy. Leshies modified to water enviroment, I'm sure there are cheap-as-hell tempaltes for that.
The guys are still hideous as hell, but hey, you can't win them all.
They'll be dealing with shit jobs, anyway :V
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay but the main issue with that city conquest notion is the fact that everything Western Essos is ours and god help them if they try and everything past Qohor is either undead or NotChina. I mean Asshai would eat them alive. So Southros is an option but I am pretty sure there are dinosaurs there with higher CR than some of them. Much less the really dangerous shit. So the option becomes Westeros and boy will that be a treat.
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No, the issue is that everything is ours.
Some people are just unwilling to admit to that yet.

Having a Brine take over anywhere, and keep reinforcing the position until we come... is less than ideal.
He has all the resources needed to make any position economically unviable to assail by usual means.
 
tarrangar said:
We should offer the Silt Sifters some Fungus Leshies, they're both ideal for dealing with refuse, will gleefully do it, and they reproduce quickly, when they have plenty of refuse to work with.
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That might not be a good idea just yet; non sapient stuff sure, but trading the services of thinking beings to people who trade slaves could lead to some unpleasant misunderstandings.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay but the main issue with that city conquest notion is the fact that everything Western Essos is ours and god help them if they try and everything past Qohor is either undead or NotChina. I mean Asshai would eat them alive. So Southros is an option but I am pretty sure there are dinosaurs there with higher CR than some of them. Much less the really dangerous shit. So the option becomes Westeros and boy will that be a treat.
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My point of contention is we're probably going to be dealing with something eventually where an opportunistic Brine Dragon or what have you conquers a city. If that happens, I am totally pushing for a dragon duel of dominance on the spot.
egoo said:
No, the issue is that everything is ours.
Some people are just unwilling to admit to that yet.

Having a Brine take over anywhere, and keep reinforcing the position until we come... is less than ideal.
He has all the resources needed to make any position economically unviable to assail by usual means.
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Basically this. I will not be happy if other dragons encroach on our territory.
 
Duesal said:
My point of contention is we're probably going to be dealing with something eventually where an opportunistic Brine Dragon or what have you conquers a city. If that happens, I am totally pushing for a dragon duel of dominance on the spot.
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I mean I agree but I am just wondering as to where this thing will even try to conquer...and if we want to influence that. I have a few places in mind I would love to bait them into.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I mean I agree but I am just wondering as to where this thing will even try to conquer...and if we want to influence that. I have a few places in mind I would love to bait them into.
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Either a costal city or, if we're super unlucky, they'll build themselves a new deep sea citadel and hunker down, in which case we actually have a serious problem in dislodging or challenging them.

Hopefully we can count on their greed and they chase the wealth of the surface. They'll cause more damage but will be far easier to deal with.

I'm imagining a Young Adult Brine Dragon trying its luck against a Herald and being unpleasantly surprised.
 
Duesal said:
Either a costal city or, if we're super unlucky, they'll build themselves a new deep sea citadel and hunker down, in which case we actually have a serious problem in dislodging or challenging them.

Hopefully we can count on their greed and they chase the wealth of the surface. They'll cause more damage but will be far easier to deal with.

I'm imagining a Young Adult Brine Dragon trying its luck against a Herald and being unpleasantly surprised.
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On the plus side if they do try the underwater citadel they could always be hit with a Hammer of the Waters. I wonder how that would work in that situation.
 
egoo said:
Having a Brine take over anywhere, and keep reinforcing the position until we come... is less than ideal.
He has all the resources needed to make any position economically unviable to assail by usual means.
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Now you are mixing two different things up.

Yes, the dragon is perfectly situated to raid here, or even move his nomandic minions in Material waters.
However his minions are aquatic. As in, can't survive on land for more than a few minutes without magic.
The chance that he takes over a city we care about is very low. Why would he give up many and reasonably loyal and experienced giant-minions for a human city?

We don't, I think, care about him claiming an area of the oceans. As long as he doesn't do anything stupid, like raiding us or our allies from there, he can keep the seafloor, we don't have nearly enough people to settle it in a thousand years.
 
Goldfish said:
@Crake, since we're already here, we might as well stock up on crafting reagents. I'm sure we have quite a bit left over from last month, but we have a lot more crafters, too. I haven't figured up an estimate of the expected total, but it will probably be above 500,000 IM.
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Well first let's sell our trade goods, then we can spend what we make from it. Go crazy then.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Now you are mixing two different things up.

Yes, the dragon is perfectly situated to raid here, or even move his nomandic minions in Material waters.
However his minions are aquatic. As in, can't survive on land for more than a few minutes without magic.
The chance that he takes over a city we care about is very low. Why would he give up many and reasonably loyal and experienced giant-minions for a human city?

We don't, I think, care about him claiming an area of the oceans. As long as he doesn't do anything stupid, like raiding us or our allies from there, he can keep the seafloor, we don't have nearly enough people to settle it in a thousand years.
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...It's the matter of principle, really.
He's there -> he can work with our enemies or opportunistically take on our trade => he shouldn't be there.

Unknown elements are as bad as known elements, in our case - when we have so fucking many elements to worry about.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Now you are mixing two different things up.

Yes, the dragon is perfectly situated to raid here, or even move his nomandic minions in Material waters.
However his minions are aquatic. As in, can't survive on land for more than a few minutes without magic.
The chance that he takes over a city we care about is very low. Why would he give up many and reasonably loyal and experienced giant-minions for a human city?

We don't, I think, care about him claiming an area of the oceans. As long as he doesn't do anything stupid, like raiding us or our allies from there, he can keep the seafloor, we don't have nearly enough people to settle it in a thousand years.
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I disagree, I want the seafloors claimed. Population can be covered via immigrants. I'm against preemtively ceding huge swaths of territory to a foreign power simply because we don't have the manpower yet. We've got to play long term here.
 
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