A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

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C is very well established to be an unreliable narrator in this regard, though?
The only thing we can trust C to be honest about is what C thinks. This goes triple for anything related to C herself.


It... wasn't great, no. Had to do a lot of introspection about it, had a minor mental health crisis, and came out of the whole thing with a new headmate by accident.

*waves hello* Nice to meet you.
Hopefully, Avaritia doesn't mind you stealing eir...not a roommate, exactly. Castle-mate? Eir friend who is one of two other people in the building.
 
There's also a thread somewhere either SV or SB (pretty sure it's SV) that's written as though it's a quest that we don't have access to the voting for -- a pretend quest. (Distinct from "running a quest on another site, and cross-posting the story parts on SV" in that the hypothetical voting thread doesn't exist.)
Subsumption, yes. It's on SV. It's a Puella Magi Madoka Magica fic which uses that framing device. Haven't read it, so I don't know how good it is.
 
Hopefully, Avaritia doesn't mind you stealing eir...not a roommate, exactly. Castle-mate? Eir friend who is one of two other people in the building.

Fortunately for most people involved, I'm more like the illegally-downloaded version so as far as I know, Avaritia isn't aware of me because ey still have the original version right in front of em.
 
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There's also a thread somewhere either SV or SB (pretty sure it's SV) that's written as though it's a quest that we don't have access to the voting for -- a pretend quest. (Distinct from "running a quest on another site, and cross-posting the story parts on SV" in that the hypothetical voting thread doesn't exist.)
Subsumption, yes. It's on SV. It's a Puella Magi Madoka Magica fic which uses that framing device. Haven't read it, so I don't know how good it is.
Subsumption does have voting in its thread, it just doesn't matter. Because the protagonist is a Witch whose nature is 'egotistical,' and as such in the end she only takes her own input.
I'm interested. Could you please post it?
Edit: Oh, already answered.

Idly browsing this thread and seeing my thread suddenly come up in conversation was a bit of a surprise. I don't know if that's ever happened to me. ^^;

(Subsumption is linked in my signature, for anyone still wondering.)
 
doesn't ask them any actual questions about this except in the most rudimentary and useless terms, and just seems to kind of assume that C's answer can be found in a more societal assumption toward violence and aggression.
Didn't notice until you pointed it out, but it's probably a good thing overall that Mr. Noir isn't more trans-accepting. Can you imagine how much more dangerous he'd be if he didn't make this very basic mistake?

... Great, now envisioning the Ao3 page for that AU fic of the show. That got dark fast.

Ah, don't read anything below this line until you're caught up through chapter 11, okay?

mafia connections. michael's an angel, which means she's got connections with the vatican, and the vatican's in central italy, which is a bit north of southern italy, which is directly adjacent to sicily, and that's where the mafia is from.
Now envisioning what this could look like as a one-off gag on the anime.

Ida: Wait, how did you set Temperance up with an apartment?
Michael: Mafia connections.
Ida: Mafia connections?!?
Michael: Admittedly I did need to call up the Pope.

You know, the thought occurs-

How's Inessa gonna explain C suddenly going missing to her parents???

Because like- They're obviously gonna immediately leap to terrible conclusions from C suddenly vanishing. Will Inessa have to finally come clean about the magical girl stuff? Or will she just guiltily suffer in silence, not able to say anything as her parents freak out with worry?

To be fair, "I saw C turn into a Beast right in front of me" is both true and gives them an explanation without needing to fill them in on anything else necessarily. Still worrisome, obviously, but it's possible Inessa might consider this half-truth better than the full truth or dead silence.
These are both true, but... how certain are we that Inessa didn't already tell her parents about being a magical girl?

Like. They were super chill with her being a lesbian. They're clearly supportive. Maybe they already know, and worked out that the most helpful thing they can do is offer a stable, supportive home base? It seems that Inessa usually doesn't need a car ride to get to the monster attacks, even leaving aside magical-girl-specific mobility options.

These aren't your normal mid-teens magical girls, after all. They're in their senior year in high school, the youngest of them has been seventeen for months now.

...On the other hand, if Inessa's parents know already, then why did she call C instead of her own parents in the chibi episode? And there is that secret identity barrier magic.

"I can't go to school like this!" This was terrible!
It is legitimately hilarious that you're concerned about this, C. Like, you've got like five things that should be more pressing issues and several good reasons to just skip school altogether, but this is what you pay attention to?

and I was… an object in her story, a nice little NPC to hand out advice every now and then with no real chance to participate,
The way that in any other magical girl show, this would be an accurate description on an out-of-universe level. Not here though, although I love how the anime plays with the trope to make it clear how Charlie feels that way even though it's not true.

Her hair was tied back into a long ponytail that fell to the small of her back.
Of course a body formed of the manifestation of "envy of getting to be a girl" would have hair like that. Completely understandable, to be honest.

I looked into Avaritia's nervous eyes and feigned the confidence that had suddenly deserted me. "I guess we need to talk to him then?"
:facepalm:
The self-sabotage in this bitch! C'mon, Invidia, no-one can try to help you with how you're really feeling if you never admit it to anyone!

Oooh, as if we needed more reasons to hate Mr. Noir. The amount of direct and indirect damage he did to C's ability to open up to people....

"Ah," the robed figure said. "So the fourth has finally awoken. With your leave, I will allow you to attend to this, we can discuss the fruit later." Their voice had a lyrical tilt to it, and a strange ethereal quality that felt familiar in a strange way. Where Superbia made a constant show of authority, the cloaked person managed to sound like they were above everything while miming deference.
The mid-season foreshadowing of the greater scope villain/real final boss???

For all it threatened to give me a heart attack every moment and for all I'd probably need to go hide under my blankets for a day or two to recuperate, it had still been a daydream I wouldn't forget.
Chiro, sweetie, like half of that is happiness. Not all of it, sure, goodness knows I'm intimately familiar with that fact too, but still.

Interesting that you describe this trip as a daydream. You're not literally dreaming, after all; but at the same time, you're only familiar with a lot of these emotions from your pre-reveal dreams.

How can you just.. write these lies!?

I don't think there are any problems that can't be resolved with a strategic application of cool goth girls tbh
Oh, the cool goth girl thing definitely helped with all sorts of stuff. It's the "selling out your friends and morals" part that did her in -- and that part wasn't even necessary if she would just. take off her blinders long enough to realize that.

Oh right, trans. Less mood. Or...more specific mood? I think?
More specific. Can vouch to both parts, though.

Damnit. Want to link to a song, but DuckDuckGo isn't finding it anywhere on the Internet. Evidence that it exists, yes, no problem; anything linkable, no.

(It's the MegaTokyo fan song "You Are Indeed Very Cute" by Kim Justice. No lyrics, just for the title connection making for a decent joke.)

I feel bad for Inessa but I ship Chiro and Lupin now.
Why would you feel bad about this? Her options just expanded, once they get around to the inevitable magical girl thing with the redemption arc. Her best friend just jumped into her dating pool! Inessa has two hands! She's the goram Saint of Chastity! If anyone can figure out polyamory, it's her!

This relationship is up to its eyeballs in false pretenses and I genuinely do not know what to make of that.
Avaritia: --but having you infiltrate the school is actually just a pretext to get you to try on girlmode clothes and stuff.
Chiro: Wait, what?
Avaritia: If you're going to infiltrate the school, you need to practice passing as a girl. Which means we need to go shopping.
Chiro: Oh. Um, okay.

You're right, absolute clown shit. Or, wait, that might be insulting to actual literal clowns.

Also now I'm picturing Temperance immediately clocking Chiro, and instead of like. Telling the other Saints or anything. Her first real interaction with Chiro is like "so, you're joining the GSA with us now, right? Because you're the most blatantly trans person I've ever seen, and I own a mirror."

Right, and having hit the top of chapter 12, need to empty out the reply box. See you in ... nine pages?
 
Didn't notice until you pointed it out, but it's probably a good thing overall that Mr. Noir isn't more trans-accepting. Can you imagine how much more dangerous he'd be if he didn't make this very basic mistake?

... Great, now envisioning the Ao3 page for that AU fic of the show. That got dark fast.
Considering the Temperance situation? Yeah, if Noir wasn't such a transphobic blockhead he'd be a serious threat to the remaining heroes, even if he was a blockhead in every other way he is in canon.

These are both true, but... how certain are we that Inessa didn't already tell her parents about being a magical girl?
What? Tell your loved ones the truth about a major part of your life, which also involves daily threats to your safety and a long-term threat to everything you care about? Nonsense! What kind of magical girl do you think Castitas is?

It is legitimately hilarious that you're concerned about this, C. Like, you've got like five things that should be more pressing issues and several good reasons to just skip school altogether, but this is what you pay attention to?
School is normal. Freaking out about not being able to go to school is a freakout she can handle.

Damnit. Want to link to a song, but DuckDuckGo isn't finding it anywhere on the Internet. Evidence that it exists, yes, no problem; anything linkable, no.

(It's the MegaTokyo fan song "You Are Indeed Very Cute" by Kim Justice. No lyrics, just for the title connection making for a decent joke.)
I tried to google it, but the first result (after a few unrelated Kim Justice music videos) was...
That's not a good sign.

Also now I'm picturing Temperance immediately clocking Chiro, and instead of like. Telling the other Saints or anything. Her first real interaction with Chiro is like "so, you're joining the GSA with us now, right? Because you're the most blatantly trans person I've ever seen, and I own a mirror."
Sadly, only 2/3rds of that has happened so far. And I feel like choking out the most awkward lesbian in school would make joining the GSA a bit awkward.
 
... Great, now envisioning the Ao3 page for that AU fic of the show. That got dark fast.

Not as dark as the AU that keeps worming it's way into my head where Inessa ends up getting recruited by Superbia and it kinda spirals and C ends up still living with her dad boymoding while moonlighting as the only magical girl trying to deal with 5 Beasts.

Otoh Acedia Bear is a very cute look for Ida.
 
Not as dark as the AU that keeps worming it's way into my head where Inessa ends up getting recruited by Superbia and it kinda spirals and C ends up still living with her dad boymoding while moonlighting as the only magical girl trying to deal with 5 Beasts.

Otoh Acedia Bear is a very cute look for Ida.
.............On the +-side Inessa finally got laid.
 
Not as dark as the AU that keeps worming it's way into my head where Inessa ends up getting recruited by Superbia and it kinda spirals and C ends up still living with her dad boymoding while moonlighting as the only magical girl trying to deal with 5 Beasts.

so this gave me some inspiration so i ended up creating a outline/headcanons for how i think that could go

episode 1: C has a weird(magical girl) dream, then normal school stuff, Then! a Resinner attacks during Lunch, interrupting inessa's self acceptance and causing her to subconsciously associate the attempted coming out with a resinner attack/bad thing causing her to repress. meanwhile C saved her and others from the resinner causing Michael to choose her to be the first magical girl " do you, who has chosen kindness even in dire circumstances, accept the burden to become an angelic saint and fight off the resinners?" "this can't be real" "I assure you, it is quite real" I would love to become a magical girl!" Meanwhile, Avaritia and Gula are getting their initial hooks into Inessa.(she sees them off to the side and gets a crush) then C manages to fight off and purify the Resinner. the school closes for the reat of the day and we get the first glimpse of C's home life with her dad being angry over something
Episode 2: C is dealing with a ton if dysphoria and hasn't really accepted the Girl part of magical girl yet.

Inessa gets recruited by deciding to infiltrate the bad guys after she is kidnapped for a similar reason C was.(her crush(that she was repressing) definitely had an influence)She was not expecting the instincts or to actually become friends with the other abyssal beasts because of that, she basically pulls a skitter, deciding to join them in full. because of that she ends up pulling away from C. when avaritia and gula start going to school she offers to show them around and then becomes friends. C wants to stick with her but one of the abyssal beasts pushes C away and inessa says nothing because of her crush. This hurts C a lot and drives a rift between them. (this leads to her getting abyssaled). She wants Avaritia but Avaritia has zero attraction to her at all and there's some comedy bits with her attempts there. she is eventually made into the abyssal beast of lust after following Avaritia to the forest thanks to her crush. Some of her activities as an abyssal beast are kidnapping girls she's attracted to because the seed is telling her to do so and she wants Avaritia but can't have her. She eventually is purified after realizing how she's harmed her best friend C when she discovers C is the opposing magical girl and having had second thoughts for a while after her crush on avaritia left at some point thanks to eir actions. after a bit Inessa and C make up and Inessa is eventually offered a spot on the team but their is a lot of friction between her and C thanks to her betrayal. also at some point C stayed over for a few nights to get away from her dad while Inessa was still an abyssal beast and that is how they accidentally discover each other's identities, causing massive fractures in their relationship.
It's shortly after that that the final member of the set of seven shows up, in the next episode C is crying in a park in girlmode when the seventh shows up and lets her cry and helps her emotionally. then there's a resinner attack which c was doing fine at but then the abyssal beasts minus Inessa show up and start kicking C's ass, especially with how she's all emotioned out at the moment so Michael recruits the new girl and they manage to defeat the resinner and escape. which is how C's fights normally go, focused on getting in, defeating the resinner and escaping because she is not strong enough to have a fair fight when the Beasts are also in the mix. she can't fight three on one.

A few episodes before the Inessa reveal, patience girl/the seventh(who im naming Patty) noticed C was alone and struggling and decides to become her friend and help C where she can which eventually leads to what's described below. she is patient with waiting for c to open up and helpful in how she helps her. maybe notices C initially becuase she gets a crush on her. maybe its because she sees C transforming back but C doesn't notice her at the time.

Ida: she gets recruited for the abyssal beasts because she went too far and got burned out and was then recruited as Sloth. she gets unrecruited when C ends up helping her with her stuff and making it sustainable.

Gula: eventually gets recruited by c or the other girl but i dont know how

Avaritia: only turns to the side of saints in the near finale. Superbia completes his master plan thanks to C having a much harder time with defeating the resinners than canon meaning the plan gets completed faster. after realizing the harm superbia would do she speaks out against it only for superbia to say "well i dont need anybody else" and throw her in the dungeon , where she is later saved by the angelic saints. that is when she turned on him
 
so this gave me some inspiration so i ended up creating a outline/headcanons for how i think that could go

episode 1: C has a weird(magical girl) dream, then normal school stuff, Then! a Resinner attacks during Lunch, interrupting inessa's self acceptance and causing her to subconsciously associate the attempted coming out with a resinner attack/bad thing causing her to repress. meanwhile C saved her and others from the resinner causing Michael to choose her to be the first magical girl " do you, who has chosen kindness even in dire circumstances, accept the burden to become an angelic saint and fight off the resinners?" "this can't be real" "I assure you, it is quite real" I would love to become a magical girl!" Meanwhile, Avaritia and Gula are getting their initial hooks into Inessa.(she sees them off to the side and gets a crush) then C manages to fight off and purify the Resinner. the school closes for the reat of the day and we get the first glimpse of C's home life with her dad being angry over something
Episode 2: C is dealing with a ton if dysphoria and hasn't really accepted the Girl part of magical girl yet.

Inessa gets recruited by deciding to infiltrate the bad guys after she is kidnapped for a similar reason C was.(her crush(that she was repressing) definitely had an influence)She was not expecting the instincts or to actually become friends with the other abyssal beasts because of that, she basically pulls a skitter, deciding to join them in full. because of that she ends up pulling away from C. when avaritia and gula start going to school she offers to show them around and then becomes friends. C wants to stick with her but one of the abyssal beasts pushes C away and inessa says nothing because of her crush. This hurts C a lot and drives a rift between them. (this leads to her getting abyssaled). She wants Avaritia but Avaritia has zero attraction to her at all and there's some comedy bits with her attempts there. she is eventually made into the abyssal beast of lust after following Avaritia to the forest thanks to her crush. Some of her activities as an abyssal beast are kidnapping girls she's attracted to because the seed is telling her to do so and she wants Avaritia but can't have her. She eventually is purified after realizing how she's harmed her best friend C when she discovers C is the opposing magical girl and having had second thoughts for a while after her crush on avaritia left at some point thanks to eir actions. after a bit Inessa and C make up and Inessa is eventually offered a spot on the team but their is a lot of friction between her and C thanks to her betrayal. also at some point C stayed over for a few nights to get away from her dad while Inessa was still an abyssal beast and that is how they accidentally discover each other's identities, causing massive fractures in their relationship.
It's shortly after that that the final member of the set of seven shows up, in the next episode C is crying in a park in girlmode when the seventh shows up and lets her cry and helps her emotionally. then there's a resinner attack which c was doing fine at but then the abyssal beasts minus Inessa show up and start kicking C's ass, especially with how she's all emotioned out at the moment so Michael recruits the new girl and they manage to defeat the resinner and escape. which is how C's fights normally go, focused on getting in, defeating the resinner and escaping because she is not strong enough to have a fair fight when the Beasts are also in the mix. she can't fight three on one.

A few episodes before the Inessa reveal, patience girl/the seventh(who im naming Patty) noticed C was alone and struggling and decides to become her friend and help C where she can which eventually leads to what's described below. she is patient with waiting for c to open up and helpful in how she helps her. maybe notices C initially becuase she gets a crush on her. maybe its because she sees C transforming back but C doesn't notice her at the time.

Ida: she gets recruited for the abyssal beasts because she went too far and got burned out and was then recruited as Sloth. she gets unrecruited when C ends up helping her with her stuff and making it sustainable.

Gula: eventually gets recruited by c or the other girl but i dont know how

Avaritia: only turns to the side of saints in the near finale. Superbia completes his master plan thanks to C having a much harder time with defeating the resinners than canon meaning the plan gets completed faster. after realizing the harm superbia would do she speaks out against it only for superbia to say "well i dont need anybody else" and throw her in the dungeon , where she is later saved by the angelic saints. that is when she turned on him
So what telling me Is Inessa DIDN'T got laid. The the Saints of Chastity.
No.
Matter.
WHAT.
 
So what telling me Is Inessa DIDN'T got laid. The the Saints of Chastity.
No.
Matter.
WHAT.

No, she did not. However she keeps trying to catch Avaritia's attention and it keeps failing through a combination of Avaritia having zero knowledge of human/earth? social norms and eir having zero attraction to her. It's a running gag throughout. I figure that to add in some angst, after her abyssalification, she asks C to do some things for her schemes that hurt c in some way, such as getting c in trouble with her dad or making school worse for her. There's probably an episode or two in there of not doing things that will hurt you/not falling to peer pressure.
 
Not as dark as the AU that keeps worming it's way into my head where Inessa ends up getting recruited by Superbia and it kinda spirals and C ends up still living with her dad boymoding while moonlighting as the only magical girl trying to deal with 5 Beasts.
Despite Hard_Hoarder's best efforts, I can't imagine C fighting five beasts on "his" own. Either he gets recruited or he...um...becomes a statistic about closeted LGBTQIA youth. If you could collect accurate statistics about kids that deep in the closet.

Anyways, AU where the author's self-insert becomes Saint Patientia and redeems all six Abyssal Beasts, somehow even Superb Snake?
 
Disco Elysium AU. Amnesia Chiro trying to pull her life together. "Miss Michael is helping me find my gun."
Also, have been trying to write that omake of, after the conflict is over, Chiro just turning into a shut-in vampire in the Abyssal Castle until she's spotted years later on a supply run.
 
Bold of you to assume turning into an incarnation of lust would be enough to teach Inessa what sex is.
Despite Hard_Hoarder's best efforts, I can't imagine C fighting five beasts on "his" own. Either he gets recruited or he...um...becomes a statistic about closeted LGBTQIA youth. If you could collect accurate statistics about kids that deep in the closet.

Anyways, AU where the author's self-insert becomes Saint Patientia and redeems all six Abyssal Beasts, somehow even Superb Snake?

So, I can't entirely say what would cause that outcome in my head, since a relevant bit is still a few chapters out, but it's definitely a lot darker and the inviting change is pre-series.

The Beasts often don't really work together by default and, while C's an obstacle there, she's going to be losing a lot and winning by the skin of her teeth.

Inessa probably stays with her family, maintaining a double identity for much of it in my mind. Things do get strained with C as C focuses more on the fights she's barely hanging on for over school or friends and Inessa resents her social milleu more and more as she feels trapped by conventions and only able to be free as Luxuria Fox, but she mostly wants to pull both C (who is clearly going through something that makes her want to reach out) and Humanitas (who is nice and cute and should get corrupted) to her side, rather than hurting them and getting outed probably mostly makes her double down.

I'm not sure if it would be a tragedy per-say, or even really that much rougher for C. Throwing herself at impossible challenges because someone had to stand up for goodness and virtue even if they fail would satisfy a lot of C's complexes and distract enough from being in her own head that she'd probably obsess less over things. Getting to be a girl for it wouldn't exactly make it less appealing, and she's probably admitted she's trans by episode 4-5 since she doesn't have the spare mental capacity to really agonize over that. At the same level, she isn't really thinking about coming out at all and mostly tries to stay at home and keep a low profile.

Searching for another saint is probably a big plot point for both C and Michael, since doubling up would ease the burden a lot and finding a second is almost certainly a major turning point, though the character would almost certainly not be the canon Patience (granted, I've more or less deliberately avoided conceptualizing Patientia as a character for a few reasons.)

of course Patientia is closely followed by the (much changed) introduction of the back half's new antagonists and things end up being kind of a huge mess.

Inessa and C almost certainly share top billing and end the series having mended their relationship and working together, but I am not sure if that would involve Inessa actually ending up as Castitas tbh.
 
Funny how everyone talks about what the fanfics would look like but so far I'm the only one (AFAIK) who's actually written one~

...Now I just got an idea for a Dogma AU where we get Alan Rickman's Metatron instead of Michael, and Bartleby and Loki are Beasts (not sure which Sins would best fit them).

Also, Chastity also isn't necessarily about abstinence, I always understood it as about a healthy approach to love without being manipulative or abusive. Granted, when what counts as a 'healthy approach to love' is defined by the medieval Catholic Church, yeah, you basically get abstinence
 
...Now I just got an idea for a Dogma AU where we get Alan Rickman's Metatron instead of Michael, and Bartleby and Loki are Beasts (not sure which Sins would best fit them).
Loki is obviously Wrath. Bartleby less obvious, but I'd lean toward a more nuanced take on Pride or Envy. His whole character is defined by the hubris of believing he deserves better than God has ordained for him and being jealous of humanity for being eligible for redemption in ways he isn't.
 
And now I'm trying to think what Virtues, if any, Jay and Silent Bob would be assigned...

Also on my omake, while The Doctor could most certainly qualify for a Sin (e.g., The Valeyard and Waters of Mars), I doubt Superbia would want to hand a Seed out to them. If written like Classic Who, it'd be because he'd completely underestimate them, while if written like NuWho, it'd be because he'd fear being upstaged and replaced by them
 
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