A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)
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I've got a rough outline and a couple disjointed paragraphs of a one-shot about Gula telling Avaritia she's leaving Superbia and trying to convince em to come with. For whatever a WIP's worth.
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Eagerness and dread at the angst.
You know, the combination of Gura similarity and being the alien to join the team just makes me think of Temperantia with white instead of blue hair. It's an anime trope that the character that's physically or metaphysically different has white hair after all. Also I already compared this to Evangelion and she's the stoic one.
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Though Hope's part of the seven Heavenly Virtues, whereas ALV has been using the Capital Virtues so far. Think the only capital virtue Jay could maybe fit is Diligence. If you include Despair as the Eighth Deadly Sin though (...who may or may not be above Superbia here, I'm guessing), then its corresponding Virtue is Hope.
And in related news, Faith, Works, Concord, Sobriety, Idolatry, Discord, and Indulgence seem up for the OC taking!
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Gula. Gura's the Atlantean shark VTuber, Gula's the shark villain of metaphysically-ambiguous origin.
And as Gura indicates, blue hair and white hair are not mutually exclusive.
Don't forget Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Charity. Or the Abyssal Beasts Acedia Cat (apathy), Kenodoxia Eagle (boasting), Tristitia Donkey (despair), and Vanagloria Lion (vainglory).
I'm not sure why Kenodoxia and Vanagloria are distinct from Superbia; I guess theologians really wanted to make sure they classified each instance of excessive self-respect properly.
Anyways, Christianity's back catalog of sins provides plenty of OC fodder for fanworks.
Cloak&Dagger
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For that reason I'm not really sure Lust should even be seperate from Gluttony.
And for something like a Succubus, they really aren't even.
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When I said "Gura similarity", I meant similarity to Gura. The combination of being to similar to the shark vtuber and being the alien of the team.
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There's definitely some nuance between those two, just like there is between Gluttony, Greed and Envy. I would say that even if you divorce Lust from sexual connotations entirely, it's about excessive desire for pleasure contra Gluttony which is about the desire to consume things for the sake of consuming them. Likewise, Greed is about accumulating things for the sake of accumulating them and Envy is about wanting things specifically because other people have them.
Traditionally, I mean. It's all a bit more nuanced in the Angelic Heartverse because it's clear Virtues and Vices exist on a sliding scale where you ideally ought to be somewhere in the middle and the whole thing seems to thematically reject the idea that anyone should fit into an arbitrary social mold imposed by others.
Evil Plan
Not nearly so nefarious as my name signifies
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Hm. Is she doing it on purpose, though? Could easily see that being accidental.
Oh my odds, she totally clocked you and decided to just go with it. Like, good choice Temperance, this is in fact exactly what Chiro needs, but still, the -- nerve of this girl. (Tempting as it is to say something to the effect of "that takes balls", it's technically not appropriate to the situation. Because.)
It's not pretending, you-- rrrgh!!
The eggshell on this girl!
Seriously, girl, where are you getting your neutronium? Do you make referrals?
*squints*
.. Who set up Chiro's class schedule? It's totally plausible that Avaritia set her up to share most of her classes with her old friend group because ey knew that would be good for her.
Would directly nuke the scepticism of "first day back being a Friday was on purpose", but that's a small price to pay if this actually makes a dent in Chiro's eggshell.
*Evangelion intensifies*
(Apologies if everyone else already made this joke.)
Oh my odds. They all know, but they go literally all decided to just. go along with it. Because they can tell that's what you need.
The care in this anime, and the absolute willful blindness--!
(This is a good thing, because it means the audience is Getting It. Excellent writing.)
No, no, can't jump directly to that conclusion. This could be an identity magic thing, after all.
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Ahhh, who's really going to believe that.
Chiro. The way you just. Do you not realize that you literally just described yourself, and the Angelic Saints' actions towards you, for literally as long as you've known Temperance?
... This is such an uncomfortably spot-on demonstration of the reason for the Egg Directive. Goddamn. It really do be like that, huh?
Yeah, that's the lingering gender dysphoria habits. Completely understandable, for better or worse.
Oh, Chiro. Sweetie. You just described exactly what you've always been doing. You haven't changed your habits at all. The only person you're fooling is yourself.
They just described you. To your face. And you're either unwilling or unable to recognize it.
Oh come on, Chiro. You're going to be taken as an inexplicably-succubus-themed magical girl for weeks at this rate.
...ooor not. Great timing, Inessa. Just. Accidently undermined the one bit of real progress she's made for herself. And by referencing/reinforcing it, what's worse!
OH COME THE FUCK ON, TEMPERANCE!
The memes for this show! Tumblr is going to be absolutely insufferable about you, do you realize that? And for good fucking reason!
(Seriously though, trying to figure out how to tag a post to talk about this show on Tumblr.)
Now picturing Beaker Breaker as a "Sailor Moon monster of the week" version of Beaker from The Muppet Show. Sure hope that was intentional, because it's awesome and I'm not letting go of it.
Obviously the show probably didn't actually do that, for copyright-related reasons, unfortunately. But it's still awesome.
Chiro. Chiro she hasn't been choosing for you. That's been literally her whole thing. Avaritia is the one who's been choosing for you. (And Superbia/Mr. Noir, and to some extent your father.) Chiro.--
That fight scene climax. That episode preview. Damn. Things are going to continue to get worse before they get better, but things are going to have to come to a head in the next three chapters or so, aren't they.
Although you could say that about them coming to a head in this chapter, couldn't you. Fuck.
...I'm torn. On the one hand, I'm sure you're right. On the other hand, I'm not familiar enough with any anime fandoms to have any idea what Type Of Fan you're referring to.
(Certain kinds of lesbians are going to have A Time of it, but there's the appeasement factor of Inessa being textually a lesbian. Any TERFs would have a fit over the transition part, but for some reason I'm having a hard time seeing them get that far into the anime in the first place. Any Incel types might have latched onto C in the first Cour, but I'm not sure what the reactions would be, beyond some of them probably having an Eggshell Cracking moment.)
Ahahahahahaha!!
See, this "massive collection of quotes" format means that you have literally no way to verify this. But. Spent all day at work the other day thinking about how to write Tumblr posts in that style, without either (1) trigger-warning tagging them "unreality" or (2) accidentally tripping someone's unreality trigger.
(Settled on writing up an explainer post that breaks character, and writing all other posts in character but making a searchable reference to the explainer post in the tags.)
Got a whole list of ideas, too. Haven't posted anything yet, though.
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...There is "chosen name", but that doesn't seem like it quite fits this use case?
Your analysis posts are always great, but just. The hilarity of reading this one having already read the chapter.
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From a modern perspective, one which isn't (or tries not to be) prudish about sex or food, then yeah—Lust and Gluttony are both only bad if you let your desires go far enough that they hurt other people. But in the original cultural context, when "prude" literally meant "good" (look up the etymology)? Yeah, no, wanting sex and liking food were two distinct types of evil.
Also, what kind of succubi are you familiar with?
Shining Virtue Angelic Heart would be so fun to talk about on Tumblr. Especially since, considering my Wormblr mutuals, I'd see some people discussing SVAH/Parahumans crossover stuff within the month.
For people unfamiliar with Worm: There's always some fandom affinity between series about self-loathing high school girls with special powers. Also, I think Taylor would make a decent Invidia Tarantula if C wasn't around.
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Think not. But we do have comparisons with evangelion and resident evil, considering the whole religious biotechnology and horror.
Probably a massive meme in the hypothetical fandom.
Really would be cool to have a fake live reaction to SVAH.
Cloak&Dagger
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If it's consuming for the sake of consuming, then I still don't see that Gluttony would be distinct from Lust, just that some would also be rolled into Greed.
But yeah, with Greed covering 'I want it because I want it', Envy/Wrath covering 'I want it so you can't have it', and Lust covering 'I want it for a good time', there's not much room for Gluttony to be independent.
The kind that drains life force through sex. Hence Lust = Gluttony because food is food.
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It seems like lust should maybe be restricted to sexual appetites for clarity? The phrasing 'a lust for' tends to blur this into desire more generally, but I've always regarded that as a metaphor for wanting something the way others want sex.
Gluttony also seems to be distinct from consuming intoxicants, to me?
Gluttony also seems to be distinct from consuming intoxicants, to me?
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Gluttony isn't consuming for pleasure (per se), it's consuming more than you need because it is there. It's binge-eating, binge-drinking, addictive behavior, which as anyone who's been addicted to food or alcohol or drugs can tell you is different from gaining pleasure from those things.
Again though, this is an academic distinction made up by monks with a specific religious agenda a thousand years ago. It's not going to be totally coherent based on 21st century secular social expectations and science.
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While that's a valid angle for a modern analyst, it requires ignoring historical context, where the vices described types of actions (or at least thoughts) more than they described types of attitudes. Envy and Wrath can have similar attitudes at their source, but that doesn't matter to the medieval Catholic theologian; envy and wrath are completely different, what are you talking about?
I feel like you're tying your definitions in knots. Sex feeds succubi (and incubi, of course) because sex is a lustful act and foocubi are beings of lust. Sex isn't "food" to them because they're lust/gluttony demons, it's "food" because they're supernatural beings who subsist on sin instead of food.
(Or in ye olden days, because sex was basically just a vehicle for them to drain men's life-force by stealing their "seed". But that's less relevant to most modern depictions of succubi.)
I guess a succubus could be lustful because it needs to be lustful, and separately gluttonous because it feeds on more lustful acts in excess. But those aren't "lust and gluttony are the same for foocubi," any more than a cat torturing a mouse before eating it makes gluttony and wrath the same for cats.
Depends on context. (And in the "context" of medieval Christianity, on which theologian from an entire continent and change over roughly a millennium you listen to. So maybe that should be contexts, plural.)
But my sense is that in that continent, intoxicants and food were seen as indulging the same (or at least sufficiently similar) mortal urges more often than not. And that "lust" meant sexual urges by default.
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No idea why this is originally in my quotes box.
But y'know what would be a very particular kind of hilarious is if she just. Didn't. If Avaritia just handed her a class schedule and went "here you go!", and didn't bother with any of that or even informing the school that she would be coming.
Chiro shows up at the school in a backpack and clutching a printout, and the first real adult she mentions being a transfer student to is the teacher taking role call in her first class.
Oh, wow, forgot about that line when making the Evangelion joke.
This is extremely funny due to context you haven't covered yet.
Okay, yeah, legitimately forgot about that earlier.
Which doesn't necessarily mean that her parents don't know, but does mean that if they know they worked it out for themselves (much like C did) and haven't told Inessa that they know (much like C held off). So it kind of amounts to the same thing?
Ooh, pronouns discussion!
So like. The phrase "[your] pronouns" is overloaded, in much the same way as the "they/them" pronoun set is. There are several distinct things, that we refer to using the same name, and of course that leads to arguments and/or confusion.
Grammatically speaking, one of the (many!) roles of pronouns is to allow people to talk about you while using a quick, easy descriptor. This particularly includes people who know nothing about you but what they can tell at a glance -- people who don't know you and may never interact with you at all. And yet, these pronouns are one of the things we sometimes refer to as "[your] pronouns".
Technically, yes, in this situation it's possible to use a descriptor or epitaph. But those can get long, and even the shortest are nowhere near as short as a pronoun. And it can get annoying as well -- if you've ever read a fanfic that extensively uses epitaphs instead of names or pronouns, you recognize this experience.
So why gender? Well, this is a decidedly-non-expert on-the-spot mixture of observations, hunches, and just-so story, but:
Within the space of traditional gender roles, gender is easy to spot and identify. In several plausible language origination contexts, there's also reasonable odds that any two people you need to refer to will be of different visible-gender. So using gender was probably easy to hand when the language feature was originating, and didn't present nearly as many problems as it does now.
Now, in the modern world, this particular role would be much better served by having a variety of pronouns to hand that don't have anything to do with gender. Color of clothes, age, and <something that kind of touches on subculture and style of dress> are all possible sources of distinction for this use case, just off-hand. But holy shit, can you imagine the kind of fight to get something like that widely adopted?
Tangentially related fun fact: at least one language other than English has a pronoun that means, essentially, "the other one". That's an incredibly neat way to address, say, The Gay Fanfiction Problem -- so long as you only need to distinguish between two of whatever.
Grammatically speaking, one of the (many!) roles of pronouns is to allow people to talk about you while using a quick, easy descriptor. This particularly includes people who know nothing about you but what they can tell at a glance -- people who don't know you and may never interact with you at all. And yet, these pronouns are one of the things we sometimes refer to as "[your] pronouns".
Technically, yes, in this situation it's possible to use a descriptor or epitaph. But those can get long, and even the shortest are nowhere near as short as a pronoun. And it can get annoying as well -- if you've ever read a fanfic that extensively uses epitaphs instead of names or pronouns, you recognize this experience.
So why gender? Well, this is a decidedly-non-expert on-the-spot mixture of observations, hunches, and just-so story, but:
Within the space of traditional gender roles, gender is easy to spot and identify. In several plausible language origination contexts, there's also reasonable odds that any two people you need to refer to will be of different visible-gender. So using gender was probably easy to hand when the language feature was originating, and didn't present nearly as many problems as it does now.
Now, in the modern world, this particular role would be much better served by having a variety of pronouns to hand that don't have anything to do with gender. Color of clothes, age, and <something that kind of touches on subculture and style of dress> are all possible sources of distinction for this use case, just off-hand. But holy shit, can you imagine the kind of fight to get something like that widely adopted?
Tangentially related fun fact: at least one language other than English has a pronoun that means, essentially, "the other one". That's an incredibly neat way to address, say, The Gay Fanfiction Problem -- so long as you only need to distinguish between two of whatever.
Technically true! It doesn't feel strong enough, though. "Heebie-jeebies" is more like "something's off here", while "hate" is more like "fuck that" or in this case "fuck that guy in particular".
Oh, bravo, well done. Especially appreciate that you're still technically correct, even despite the spoilers since then.
Hello! We... might have met before? Your introduction was memorable enough at any rate; but it hits very different knowing, y'know, anything at all about where you came from before that.
Internet hugs IFF wanted.
Don't think it's established who the youngest in their group is. That's just established indirectly by the fact that they're all seniors in high school, which means that there is at most a year between any two of them, and that at least one person has already turned 18.
Ooof. No it's not. Those first few videos look promising if you don't know any better-- but having discovered SonicHits while ducking around, they're useless at best. Didn't find any indication that video game YouTuber Kim Justice is connected to fan-music Kim Justice, either.
Y'know what, good point. Something normal she can focus on, instead of freaking out about all sorts of major problems, makes complete sense. No matter how mis-directed it may look from the outside.
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The FMA fandom says Hi.
Also, I think Wrath is the only Sin that Shadell hasn't yet ascribed an animal, since she's linked Lust with Fox and Sloth with Bear (and not, er, a sloth). Though I think the Sin animal changes depending on the individual Beast, so another person holding Envy wouldn't necessarily be Bat.
I should say I personally prefer the Buddhist Five Poisons (Kleshas) to the Seven Deadly Sins, since they're more trimmed down and less common. Those being Ignorance (moha), Desire (raga), Wrath (dvesha), Pride (mana), and Envy (irshya).
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Well. Shadell did say she's avoiding the Patientia character, so the same should hold for Wrath.
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That is pretty handy!
Sloths are about as close to obligate herbivores as you're likely to find. Bears eat more plants than meat, but the meaty 20% of their diet looms large in the imagination.
Anyways, until we know more about Patientia, I suggest Ira Badger.
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Patiently supporting internet culture for 20 years.
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English technically has one in the word 'interlocutor' since one's interlocutor refers to the person that one is interacting with (usually used specifically for talking).
On the other hand though 'interlocutor' is A: kinda obscure, and B: a mouthful and a half of syllables, so it probably wouldn't solve the gay fanfiction problem anyways.
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Made me think of the Honey Badger on the other end.
Hippo could also work for Wrath. They're usually herbivores but have been known to eat meat, and are extremely aggressive either way. Plus, they could also Biblically reference Behemoth
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Clearly Vainglory is the greater scope villain of the series, and is puppeteering Superbia from behind the scenes, and is who C will eventually answer to as she advances to the next stage of her Catra arc where she supplants the original big bad only to find her station not particularly improved both emotionally and in the fact that said big bad was also someone's number two anyway.
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