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C, is that you?
A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)
- Thread starter Shadell
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The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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- Your Universe
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- She/They
That's... not what she said? It was moreso "it's not Saintly to be mean to yourself to the point where you're struggling to help others like you want to and then being meaner to yourself because of that."
Unless you're refering to her saying "It's Saintly to be kind even to someone you utterly despise."? But that's not saying what you think she said either.
I mean, as Chiro says Sin can help you get out of a bad place, but it's not a good space to be in either I don't think.
A lot of readers seem attached to the notion of there having to be some kind of balance, and I just really don't get that tbh.
Temperance would have to beat me to that!
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Michael could certainly learn to express herself better but I 100% support her initiative to reduce the proliferation of "heroes that use heroism as an outlet for displaced self-harm". Shirou Emiya Syndrome is a leading cause of harm to anime characters age 16-21.
- Location
- Oslo
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- She/Her
There is definitely something behind Avaritia's thought process, but I wouldn't call it a mature theory in any sense of the word. More like a haphazard justification of taking advantage of the Greed power to get where she actually needs to get in her life (and Greed takes advantage of her in return).
She's not a complete monster and she did help Chiro, if only halfway, so she's been doing something right. Gula clearly had a healthy and safe enough position to think clearly enough to decide to escape and become Temperance. Even Chiro didn't have that much clarity in her prior living situation (and I think people often underestimate the lasting damage to cognitive abilities from things like cPTSD, depression and abuse...).
In reality,
Needless to say, that joining the ranks of abusive magical terrorist organization creates many more problems, than one could ever hope to solve by doing so.
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ltmauve
"Excuse me?"
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- Earth
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- She/Her
So hey. This reached the end. And I'm glad I read it.
(I might be catching up with 60+ pages of the thread later, because I paused it before Chapter 10 because I really didn't want to have the risks of serialization delay putting Chiro in a horrible situation (upgraded from her bad situation) and then that situation hanging over my head like a giant sword "secured" by a bit of floss for months at a time. Why no, it's perfectly normal to feel that viscerally about a trans girl when you're not a trans girl yourself, please ignore the revelation I had a few months into my break.)
(I might be catching up with 60+ pages of the thread later, because I paused it before Chapter 10 because I really didn't want to have the risks of serialization delay putting Chiro in a horrible situation (upgraded from her bad situation) and then that situation hanging over my head like a giant sword "secured" by a bit of floss for months at a time. Why no, it's perfectly normal to feel that viscerally about a trans girl when you're not a trans girl yourself,
please ignore the revelation I had a few months into my break.)
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- Earth
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- He/Him
My perspective is that, while there doesn't need to be a balance between Michael and Superbia, that's in large part because Michael is pretty balanced. She encourages Diligentia to take breaks and doesn't say a word when Temperantia eats a small mountain of snacks, to name two obvious examples. The only time I can think of when she objected to one of the Saints violating a strict definition of their virtue is when baby Temperance tried to eat her, and I don't think that was a "gluttony bad" thing.
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I think the main thing is that people take Avaritia's definition of Virtue as applying to Michael and the Saints when it...clearly doesn't. Avaritia is projecting an entirely different idea of what Virtue is - and something that does in fact need to be tempered with respect for the individual - onto the people ey're fighting just because they share some ideas and resources with the society ey originally rebelled against. The Angelic Saint version of Virtue is basically just "be yourself in a way that's conscious of potential harm to yourself and others", not "do not experience Bad Emotions". That's why Michael doesn't give bracelets to people with self-destructive tendencies, why Temperance indulges her habits in a healthy way, and why Inessa permanently being stuck in girls <3 mode is fine and good actually because she's true to herself while still being respectful to others. It's already that "balance", which is why they get to be the heroes of a television show targeted at tween girls.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, unmitigated self-destructive tendencies.
Though she might have saved everyone except Superbia and maybe Uriel a lot of trouble if she'd straight-up told earlier!C something like:
"I am something of an expert on this point, and you would, no jokes, no games, no gimmicks, be perfectly capable of magical girling right now, EXCEPT. Except except. Except you constantly beat yourself up so much that your ability to help others and be effective as a person is compromised by the way you've got your head up your ass about how much you loathe one particular person, namely yourself, turning your every undertaking into a chaotic mess of objectively bad choices you make centered on your own depression. You have a right to exist in a form acceptable to you, now choose to exercise that right."
Then again, it might have backfired, and as a magical girl mascot, Michael has a contractual obligation not to singlehandedly shortcut entire plot arcs.
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Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
- Location
- In transition
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- She/Her
C: Ah, she's trying to let me down easy because I would make a horrible Saint, I get it.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
The sad part is, that's probably how it would have gone.
Bluespark9
Goddess of Magic and Passion
- Location
- SoCal
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- She/Her
She totally should have been allowed to eat Micheal, that was just a natural expression of her desires and she needed to do that. /jk
The only person that can convince somebody is themselves.
Which is why they should pull Chiro from the future and have her try and convince C to do it, worst comes to worst at least Chiro will understand our pains, and maybe it could prevent a kidnaping and a monster rampage or ten.
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If time travel was a thing, we probably would have seen it. Will have seen it. Um. How does future pluperfect tense work, again?
That's, like, half of the reason there's a trans prime directive, isn't it?
Bluespark9
Goddess of Magic and Passion
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- SoCal
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- She/Her
That's True, but consider that it would be:
A-Funny to have C start the conversation not knowing Chiro is their future self, and learning it partway through and suddenly having... thoughts about it
b- funny to see Chiro trying to deny being trans despite... everything she is doing
c-heartwarming when Chiro catches and stops C going into another self-loathing spiral
Now that I write this down I have realized that this would honestly help Chiro more then C, though I still think that while it wouldn't fix everything in the short term, I could see it either making C's spiraling into envy even worse or nudging it just enough so that they decide to put their head on straight before rather then during the finale
It's not cannon, but speculation does not care about silly things like "cannon" or "well paced character arcs" as long as it interesting.
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- Location
- SV's Only Complete Persona Quest
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- She/Her
Well, I know someone Who could help out there. Granted, she can be pretty strict about it, but just having future!Chiro show up for a talk should be fine
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- Oslo
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- She/Her
Ahahahaha
There are things that are just hard or painful to do. What you can do is to find a place of strength and safety, where you will be able to face these scary painful things and hopefully overcome them one day.
What you can do as a friend is to help them to get stronger. You can be a warm embrace, a welcoming silence, a quiet listener. Trust, acceptance, compassion. You may share a meme, a personal anecdote, you may keep reminding simple obvious things, give your best answers and patiently wait.
What was that line in the Matrix?
"I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."
It took me what, 15 or 16 years since my first realization til I started actually transition in full. 8 or so of these were spent in denial, for how little it actually did to stop me from getting closer to where I needed. Three in pointless attempts to understand and verbalise what needed to be "simply" accepted, until it became obvious, what I wanted. Three more in half-hearted attempts to "experiment", to make absolutely sure, to look back and reflect how little I actually had to lose in a first place. Two more, well, Covid took 'em. In the end, it was life or death.
I am happy with my choice and I have nothing to regret. My life wasn't perfect and I sure as hell would prefer less turmoil and suffering in it, but I am here, with people who matter and I wouldn't have it any other way.
I am happy with my choice and I have nothing to regret. My life wasn't perfect and I sure as hell would prefer less turmoil and suffering in it, but I am here, with people who matter and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Either way, I think it would make for a great omake, wholesome and funny, if you are interested in writing one. I surely wouldn't say no it. 😇
P.S. Chiro needs a therapist, though, and a good one, for how angelic the Michael is, she can't replace a professional care. 🤔
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- Mid-Atlantic
Michael: "I'm actually professionally certified, it's just that the whole 'fighting a magical war' thing kind of has me distracted from my career. Also my diploma got turned into an illegible cute little decoration accessory when I got plushie'd."
Bluespark9
Goddess of Magic and Passion
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- SoCal
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- She/Her
That would certainly save Saints the issues of having to explain to a therapist the whole "magical war fought with child soldiers, including people from another planet, one of which joined us" thing, which would have been awkward to say the least. Besides, angels need hobbies too, so glad Micheal got one that ended up being so helpful in the end.
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They would absolutely end up trying to out self-loathing the other while also insisting that the other is good and deserves nicer things.
Love Train
stack of bats
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- She/Her
The supreme lack of self-awareness in the act of refusing to be kind to herself while she is simultaneously being kind to herself is very on brand.
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- Oslo
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- She/Her
This is such a typical transgirl dynamic.
MtG Cards by JackAttack
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- Shibuya, UG
So I'm an idiot who woke up in the middle of the night with a simple prompt: "What if the Angelic Saints were MTG cards?" I promptly spent the next three hours designing the cards instead of studying for my exam tomorrow morning. Oops.
Anyway, here the MTG.Design link, but I'll also post the pictures here. Don't have any artwork since I didn't want to steal any from this thread without permission, and it seemed hard to make them work for MTG artwork.
For the Angelic Saints, I decided to focus on a theme of buffing your friends. Temperance and C get transforming cards for... reasons. Angelic Saints are focused on the color white, and Abyssal beasts are focused on the color black.
Feedback on these is appreciated if anyone has any suggestion for improvements / other ideas. Shadell thank you for making such a wonderful story!
Anyway, here the MTG.Design link, but I'll also post the pictures here. Don't have any artwork since I didn't want to steal any from this thread without permission, and it seemed hard to make them work for MTG artwork.
For the Angelic Saints, I decided to focus on a theme of buffing your friends. Temperance and C get transforming cards for... reasons. Angelic Saints are focused on the color white, and Abyssal beasts are focused on the color black.
Castitas buffs her allies with the flames of purity. Also, she's got that sweet double strike for a CASTITAS. FLARE. BARRAGE!
Diligentia is an angelic saint who makes sure her allies never fall! While they may get weaker, that doesn't stop Diligentia from holding the line.
Temperance is a hungry shark who eats cards from the opponents hand. But, she turns into an Angelic Saint that helps protect her allies... and cast iron eggs. Ward is basically a keyword that makes it cost more to target the warded creature with spells or abilities. Of note is that this abilities affects all creatures, even her temporary enemies.
Of course, the number two represents the number of hands Temperance has for obvious reasons.
Of course, the number two represents the number of hands Temperance has for obvious reasons.
Our favorite protagonist might be my favorite card I made. Due to design limitation, I had to make Humanitas a 5 color card, but I really like how it turned out! Invidia Bat can morph into other creatures on the battlefield, and change every turn by flipping facedown or faceup. If you clone your ally, the legend rule applies and one of them has to die. But if you don't clone another card, you can transform Invidia bat into Humanitas!
A tricky thing I figured out is that clone effects typically belong to blue in MTG, but our wonderful protag loves the color green. So I had to get creative and give her morph ability a green activated cost. While she seems weak based on her base stats, Humanitas is an incredibly powerful supporter and her invigorating wind helps all her allies rejoin the fight.
A tricky thing I figured out is that clone effects typically belong to blue in MTG, but our wonderful protag loves the color green. So I had to get creative and give her morph ability a green activated cost. While she seems weak based on her base stats, Humanitas is an incredibly powerful supporter and her invigorating wind helps all her allies rejoin the fight.
Specialize is an interesting mechanic in that you get 5 different versions of one card. But our greedy, greedy wolf only gets the best! I tried to make each card feature some form of "crime" on combat damage, except for the white version. Menace is a keyword that means our wonderful wolf can only be blocked by two or more creatures, fitting for er.
Base:
Crime forms! Blue steals from the opponents deck, black from the graveyard, red from the battlefield, and green makes treasure.
Avaritia's last form lets her tutor for another Abyssal Beast and play it for free if it has less power. Of course, when designing these cards I made white represent the Angelic Saints...
Base:
Crime forms! Blue steals from the opponents deck, black from the graveyard, red from the battlefield, and green makes treasure.
Avaritia's last form lets her tutor for another Abyssal Beast and play it for free if it has less power. Of course, when designing these cards I made white represent the Angelic Saints...
Our last "friend" is Superbia Dragon. As the apex of pride, any damage he takes is permanent. Of course, to offset that downside, he strikes first every combat. It almost appears that to beat him, you might need someone who can prevent lethal damage...
Superbia also has the ability to make other creatures into "Monsters" and "Curse" those who displease him. Unfortunately, it seems dear old Superbia has gotten confused in his old age and can only make his enemies stronger and his allies weaker. Woops!
Bonus points for sneaking green mana into his activated costs to represent the Abyssal Forest. He also makes his allies sad by preventing them from transforming or specializing, even if that would be the right choice.
Lastly, if all four angelic saints get together, Castitas buffs her allies by +1/+1 and hits twice for 4 damage. Digilentia hits for 3, Temperentia hits for 4, and Humanitas hits for 2 for a grand total of 13.
Updated with Renu's awesome artwork and the correct language on the Monster / Cursed role tokens.:
Superbia also has the ability to make other creatures into "Monsters" and "Curse" those who displease him. Unfortunately, it seems dear old Superbia has gotten confused in his old age and can only make his enemies stronger and his allies weaker. Woops!
Bonus points for sneaking green mana into his activated costs to represent the Abyssal Forest. He also makes his allies sad by preventing them from transforming or specializing, even if that would be the right choice.
Lastly, if all four angelic saints get together, Castitas buffs her allies by +1/+1 and hits twice for 4 damage. Digilentia hits for 3, Temperentia hits for 4, and Humanitas hits for 2 for a grand total of 13.
Updated with Renu's awesome artwork and the correct language on the Monster / Cursed role tokens.:
Feedback on these is appreciated if anyone has any suggestion for improvements / other ideas. Shadell thank you for making such a wonderful story!
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