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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Evaunit02mark1 said:
I know you're a devil but slide it back a touch Azel.

Corrupting her would be fun, will be fun I hope in the future, but business before pleasure.

We've got a lot of work to do before we bring these rotted lands to heel.

Besides if Aurane and OG!Renly are any indication of :turian:nobility:turian: this place will be a blasted hellscape in a few decades if not years.

We could just sit back, relax with our hot magic wife, and then swoop in to claim whatever's left after the unnamable horror some idiot summoned for a quick bag of gold tears this continent a new asshole.

Of course it'll run the property values into the shitter, but think of the fireworks.
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Brienne would take quite a bit of time anyway. I see this as a enjoyable side-project to pursue over the next few months.
 
Eh. She's eight and outside our infulence.

If she gets the message spell, she can one day ask for desperate help and then we can point her at some other problem to solve for us.

The seven have given instructions to their cleric, but they can give new ones.

If we strike frist, in an obvious fashion, I want it to be aling the lines of social combat. If they strike via cleric attack, we have the moral highground to do whatever.
 
Azel said:
But where is the joy in that? The thrill of the hunt? The slow turning of the wheels as the corruption seeps in deeper and deeper? The cutting edge of despair as she sees the limits of her values? The exhilaration as she offers them up to be reforged into another blade to wield at her foes?

Truly, you have never corrupted a Paladin before...
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Problem is most Westerosi believe in the 7, we need to make peace with them, the wars to convert Westeros away from them would cost way to much, so it's only worth it to spite them when it pleases the old gods, and the old gods don't care about Brienne, we can get Brienne on our side after we have completed the humbling, heck we can do it and earn points back with the 7 by making her a Kingsguard, so lets let her remain a Paladin for now and let the 7 have the task of finding things for her to level up on.
Duesal said:
I'd much rather work towards eventually turning her away from the Seven. I have little to no interest in giving up before we've even begun.
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I have no interest in giving up on her, but I think she would be more beneficial as part of our eventual reconciliation with the 7, taking a Paladin of the 7 as a Kingsguard, would be a good start to making peace with them, after we fulfill our obligations to the old gods, and it still gets her in our service, I believe we will eventually be on the same side as the 7, just as soon as this nasty business of punishing them is over with.

So there's no need to antagonize them, in ways that don't count towards the old gods mission, and corrupting a level 1 Paladin wont do much towards that mission, if we come up against her again when she's level 10 the cred with the old gods might be worth it, but right now corrupting her would cost us more in anger from the 7, than it would gain us in satisfaction from the old gods.

Having a Paladin of the 7 in our service, will be the perfect way to demonstrate that we aren't going to further persecute the 7, which will be vital for ensuring peace and stability in our realm.
 
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Totally off topic, but I found a nice spell to emulate with Greater Shadow Enchantment.

Affects everything within 30 feet, and even a successful save causes a victim to have the Sickened condition.

Nearby allies would limit its use, but Richard is immune, so it would still be a great melee combat spell.
 
DragonParadox said:
Lord Targaryen
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Oh man, it feels so right.
Azel said:
- Paladin of Tyranny (a ruthless enforcer in spiky black armor that would look very squire-like next to Richard)
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Honestly, I'be been just sort of expecting those to naturally pop over the course of our reformations. You know, the young kid whose grandma our free healing saved and the infinite variations of that.
DragonParadox said:
hell you could outright improve her looks (a source of constant blows to her self-esteem) if you wanted to be really blunt and ruthless about things.
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You mean an item of Alter Self or plastic surgery via Vee?
 
tarrangar said:
I have no interest in giving up on her, but I think she would be more beneficial as part of our eventual reconciliation with the 7, taking a Paladin of the 7 as a Kingsguard, would be a good start to making peace with them, after we fulfill our obligations to the old gods, and it still gets her in our service, I believe we will eventually be on the same side as the 7, just as soon as this nasty business of punishing them is over with.

So there's no need to antagonize them, in ways that don't count towards the old gods mission, and corrupting a level 1 Paladin wont do much towards that mission, if we come up against her again when she's level 10 the cred with the old gods might be worth it, but right now corrupting her would cost us more in anger from the 7, than it would gain us in satisfaction from the old gods.

Having a Paladin of the 7 in our service, will be the perfect way to demonstrate that we aren't going to further persecute the 7, which will be vital for ensuring peace and stability in our realm.
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It's far better to start early before the Warrior has full control over her. Also, sure, we might eventually reconcile with the Seven, but there's no need to act like it's happening right now. We happen to be at war with them. When the time comes that's when we'll start holding back, but there's no reason not to swoop down and steal their PC in the meantime when the opportunity presents itself.

The Warrior wants another paladin? Fine, there are plenty of knights to pick from.
 
Also @tarrangar taking away the sole heir of a noble house isn't creating peace and stability in our realm, it's creating a succession crisis.
 
Devil DR is passed by Cold Iron, no?

Then unless her mace is enchanted then we can give the mace we got in Brravos wayyy back to Brinnes dad in SD for diplopoints for zero effort.
 
Goldfish said:
He's a turtle, which is as good as dead, but not quite. He's also Lawful Neutral, so in other circumstances, if he hadn't made an effort to become our enemy, he could have ended up in our service without too much trouble.
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What the hell? o_O Why on earth isn't a freaking Assassin Devil, the thing that happily engages in cold-blooded murder, Lawful Evil?
Crake said:
Also @tarrangar taking away the sole heir of a noble house isn't creating peace and stability in our realm, it's creating a succession crisis.
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@Crake, even if we didn't make our move, Lord Tarth is losing his heir anyway. The Warrior won't let his paladin stick around to be the Lady Tarth.
 
BeepSmile said:
Devil DR is passed by Cold Iron, no?

Then unless her mace is enchanted then we can give the mace we got in Brravos wayyy back to Brinnes dad in SD for diplopoints for zero effort.
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No, they typically have DR that is vulnerable to some combination of Good and/or Silver.

EDIT: Demons and Fey often have DR vulnerable to Cold Iron.
 
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Duesal said:
It's far better to start early before the Warrior has full control over her. Also, sure, we might eventually reconcile with the Seven, but there's no need to act like it's happening right now. We happen to be at war with them. When the time comes that's when we'll start holding back, but there's no reason not to swoop down and steal their PC in the meantime when the opportunity presents itself.

The Warrior wants another paladin? Fine, there are plenty of knights to pick from.
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I want to do the absolute minimum to them, and only do it to the corrupt or those actively aimed against us, and I think she will be much more useful as a Paladin we can point to, and say "we have a champion of the 7 in our employ, of course we aren't their enemies anymore."
Crake said:
Also @tarrangar taking away the sole heir of a noble house isn't creating peace and stability in our realm, it's creating a succession crisis.
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Agreed, and Lord Tarth seem to be a good man, I don't want to take his heir away from him.
Goldfish said:
We're at the stage where peace and stability in Westeros are problematic, not desirable.
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I wouldn't say that, sure if we take Westeros by prolonged war with armies it's problematic, but that inflicts way to many casualties anyways, I would prefer to take it by surgical strikes to King's Landing and Casterly Rock, and mainly use our army to keep the peace afterwards, a realm in chaos might be easier to take over, but it will also have a smaller income, I want Westeros as intact as possible when we take it.
 
Assassin Devils are Lawfully Evil, they have to be by the very nature of their tasks and employers, as well as on the mechanical side to be eligible for the assassin class
 
tarrangar said:
I want to do the absolute minimum to them, and only do it to the corrupt or those actively aimed against us, and I think she will be much more useful as a Paladin we can point to, and say "we have a champion of the 7 in our employ, of course we aren't their enemies anymore."
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Yeah, I'm against that. I don't want to leave her in service of the Seven if we have any say in it, not even for potential future PR. We can make peace with the Seven, but we can achieve that with Dannelle just as easily while also turning Brienne away.
DragonParadox said:
Assassin Devils are Lawfully Evil, they have to be by the very nature of their tasks and employers, as well as on the mechanical side to be eligible for the assassin class
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@DragonParadox, apparently not.
Asassin Devil (Dogai) (CR 11)
Medium Outsider (Baatezu, Evil, Extraplanar, and Lawful)
Alignment: Always lawful neutral
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It makes pretty much no sense, but that's what the sheet says.

EDIT: If you change that via house rule I don't think anyone'll object.
 
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