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Stasis said:
Using drain through cables is probably a possibility. Channeling wind chakra is something we can already do with chakra strings. I don't know where you got the idea that we can move them with our mind despite it not being written anywhere on the description. Using cables with fire is definitely possible, but strings are visible so cables would be even more so, so no tricking people into thinking we can set things of fire 'with our mind'. Stitching wounds could just as easily be done with normal chakra strings, to not even mention we know the magical healing hand jutsu. Pulling and eventually pushing is explicitly what the technique does, so i'm not sure what you're on about here.
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This is quite true, basically everyone is making too many assumptions about the Chakra cables, so the best thing it would be to stop that discussion until the QM clarifies that...
 
[X] Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
 
pancakes said:
All those things have a few issues I see.
First those are all seperate skills and would take forever to train.
Second thats assuming we CAN do that with chakra cables, no one in canon has show the ability to be a field medic with them. Only reason I'm saying we can do scorch release is because its in the description.
Cutting things with wind chakra cables or setting things on fire doesn't actually do much against any actual threat. Basically everyone can sense chakra so how is that better then just using our sword to do the exact same things,we are also much more skilled with it and can put more strength into.
People are acting like these cables are super strong but they are just cables. They can probably be cut fairly easily. It also opens us up to counterattacks by someone just pulling us along the cable.
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Better range than a sword. Also, more of them.
Stasis said:
Using drain through cables is probably a possibility. Channeling wind chakra is something we can already do with chakra strings. I don't know where you got the idea that we can move them with our mind despite it not being written anywhere on the description. Using cables with fire is definitely possible, but strings are visible so cables would be even more so, so no tricking people into thinking we can set things of fire 'with our mind'. Stitching wounds could just as easily be done with normal chakra strings, to not even mention we know the magical healing hand jutsu. Pulling and eventually pushing is explicitly what the technique does, so i'm not sure what you're on about here.
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Same thing other people are on about when talking about all the things that can be done in the future with scorch release. Also, how visible Chakra strings are is inconsistent, in the Sasori fight Chiyo managed to connect a string to Sasori's tail without him noticing.
Fanhunter696 said:
This is quite true, basically everyone is making too many assumptions about the Chakra cables, so the best thing it would be to stop that discussion until the QM clarifies that...
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Way too many assumptions about Blazing Chakra flow too. There's nothing in the description about Scorch release, the QM's just said it's an explosion.
 
Odysseus2099 said:
Better range than a sword. Also, more of them.

Same thing other people are on about when talking about all the things that can be done in the future with scorch release. Also, how visible Chakra strings are is inconsistent, in the Sasori fight Chiyo managed to connect a string to Sasori's tail without him noticing.Way too many assumptions about Blazing Chakra flow too. There's nothing in the description about Scorch release, the QM's just said it's an explosion.
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Chakra strings aren't always visible but they are made of chakra so pretty much everyone can sense them.
My reasoning for scorch release is based on the description.
The description is
[x] Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
The combination of Wind Chakra flow and Fire chakra flow would be scorch chakra flow. It's not about scorch release but thats what happens when you combine the 2 chakra natures.
 
Odysseus2099 said:
Better range than a sword. Also, more of them.

Same thing other people are on about when talking about all the things that can be done in the future with scorch release. Also, how visible Chakra strings are is inconsistent, in the Sasori fight Chiyo managed to connect a string to Sasori's tail without him noticing.Way too many assumptions about Blazing Chakra flow too. There's nothing in the description about Scorch release, the QM's just said it's an explosion.
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We have jutsu for ranged stuff, and our build is specifically 'run at people and hit them with Sword' so to replace it with something that does a worse job to more enemies slower is counterproductive. And i'm fairly sure we can't use them like whips. The visibility of chakra strings(unless i've missed something) was specifically something that only super skilled and experienced people, like Chiyo, can do anything about and i'm guessing that 'cables' (which gives the impression of being thicker than strings) would be more visible/harder to hide than chakra strings. And the difference between the assumptions is that Scorch release is a hypothetical future development, unlike the assumption that cables can and will take your job, seduce your mother and girlfriend, publically humiliate you, win the olympics gold prize in all categories, and be the god emperor of all of creation for ever and ever.
 
Stasis said:
We have jutsu for ranged stuff, and our build is specifically 'run at people and hit them with Sword' so to replace it with something that does a worse job to more enemies slower is counterproductive. And i'm fairly sure we can't use them like whips. The visibility of chakra strings(unless i've missed something) was specifically something that only super skilled and experienced people, like Chiyo, can do anything about and i'm guessing that 'cables' (which gives the impression of being thicker than strings) would be more visible/harder to hide than chakra strings. And the difference between the assumptions is that Scorch release is a hypothetical future development, unlike the assumption that cables can and will take your job, seduce your mother and girlfriend, publically humiliate you, win the olympics gold prize in all categories, and be the god emperor of all of creation for ever and ever.
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But assuming that we are going to get Scorch release, that is a kekkei genkai, it's too much of a stretch, What I suppose that is going to happen is that we will eventually combine elements but only through the seals of our sword, and therefore only in our sword.

And about the Chakra Cables, there is two groups those who assume that it will work like in Mistborn, and those who assume that it will work as thicker chakra strings, and until @Tekomandor decides to answer we can´t know for sure who is right...
 
Fanhunter696 said:
But assuming that we are going to get Scorch release, that is a kekkei genkai, it's too much of a stretch, What I suppose that is going to happen is that we will eventually combine elements but only through the seals of our sword, and therefore only in our sword.

And about the Chakra Cables, there is two groups those who assume that it will work like in Mistborn, and those who assume that it will work as thicker chakra strings, and until @Tekomandor decides to answer we can´t know for sure who is right...
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Yeah i agree, even if we manage a kekkei genkai using seals we wont be able to use it in regular jutsu and only on things we specifically prepare with seals, though i don't think it's strictly limited to a single sword.
And i guarantee you, Chakra Cables does not work like the push/pull abilities found in Mistborn, does not work like shinra tensei, does not work like Bungee Gum from hxh, and is definitely not even close to being telekinesis. At best we could imitate a lesser variant of psuedo telekinesis.

And i say this because if it worked like any of those abilities, then it'd be way too overpowered for a B ranked perk for basic ninjutsu. Chakra flow on the other hand is just another step of something we've already worked on since a long time ago. Literally, the fourth vote in the quest, where we decided what to focus on, we chose Sword, and we've kept on it since then. Well i say 'we' but i hadn't started reading the quest by that point...

Sorry if i sound rude, i'm just really getting tired of this argument and people making things up.
 
Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
I don't know how else to interrupt that other then scorch release. The true combination of Wind and Fire gives us Scorch. I don't think we will get it now or anything but it's a future development, and a strong one. What else could it be?
 
pancakes said:
One thing everyone seems to forget is how much concentration is needed to go sage mode, and that you need to be absolutely still. Just because you aren't actually moving your muscles doesn't make it so your still. We would be thrown about if that even works. On top of that the amount of concentration that would be needed to juggle both the intake and mixture of natural energy as well as dodging opponent is asking for a disaster.
On top of that we don't even know how long it will be until we get sage mode, if we get it at all.

According to wiki: In order to enter Sage Mode, the gatherer must remain absolutely still in order to be one with nature and balance the natural energy with their own physical and spiritual energies

There is never anything about muscle movements, its about absolute stillness. Flinging ourselves around on Chakra cables is not going to be absolutely still.


Chakra flow gives us added elemental coverage and clear goals to work towards in the future. We will always use a sword even in a Susano chakra cables not so much.
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Tell that to Hashirama, surfing on his wood surfboard, collecting sage chakra.
 
Stasis said:
And i guarantee you, Chakra Cables does not work like the push/pull abilities found in Mistborn, does not work like shinra tensei, does not work like Bungee Gum from hxh, and is definitely not even close to being telekinesis. At best we could imitate a lesser variant of psuedo telekinesis.

And i say this because if it worked like any of those abilities, then it'd be way too overpowered for a B ranked perk for basic ninjutsu. Chakra flow on the other hand is just another step of something we've already worked on since a long time ago. Literally, the fourth vote in the quest, where we decided what to focus on, we chose Sword, and we've kept on it since then. Well i say 'we' but i hadn't started reading the quest by that point...

Sorry if i sound rude, i'm just really getting tired of this argument and people making things up.
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Well, if this was the first time that Chakra Cables appears as a reward I would agree with your statement, but since the first time that appeared was as a reward for reaching A in Chakra manipulation, I think it can still be pretty OP, since the last time we got an A rank reward we got the Lighting Blood seal, that is OP as fuck...
 
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pancakes said:
Chakra strings aren't always visible but they are made of chakra so pretty much everyone can sense them.
My reasoning for scorch release is based on the description.
The description is
[x] Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
The combination of Wind Chakra flow and Fire chakra flow would be scorch chakra flow. It's not about scorch release but thats what happens when you combine the 2 chakra natures.
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What's this about everyone sensing chakra?
If it was so, there is no need for Sensor types.

Just because nearly everyone on our team is sensor or has cheat-eyes to do it, doesn't make chakra sensing common.
 
liberty614 said:
this is fundamentally wrong
Chakra Threads
chakra threads are controlled with the users hands

this isnt mistborn
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liberty614 said:
Chakra cables aren't Iron-pull Steel-push from Mistborn, they aren't the force, they aren't telekinesis.
They are chakra threads we can pull on and use for more then puppet.
This isn't Mistborn, this is Naruto.
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It may not be mistborn but the last time we voted on this the author said he was inspired by mistborn
 
2xMachina said:
Tell that to Hashirama, surfing on his wood surfboard, collecting sage chakra.
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I don't think the super mega prodigy that fought both madara and the nine tails at the same time and won, that has the single most powerful bloodline(that no one else has had naturally), and who is seemingly a natural sage(which means he learned sage mode without any trainers) can be used as a comparison for just about anything.

Fanhunter696 said:
Well, if this was the first time that Chakra Cables appears as a reward I would agree with your statement, but since the first time that appeared was as a reward for reaching A in Chakra manipulation, I think it can still be pretty OP, since the last time we got an A rank reward we got the Lighting Blood seal, that is OP as fuck...
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Sure, that's a way of looking at it. In my point of view, Lightning Blood is so strong because it built on what we've already focused on: Seals. If we weren't good enough with seals it wouldn't have been an option.
 
pancakes said:
Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
I don't know how else to interrupt that other then scorch release. The true combination of Wind and Fire gives us Scorch. I don't think we will get it now or anything but it's a future development, and a strong one. What else could it be?
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Well it is very possible this could be the beginning of the uchiha we all nature transfomation and combinations. Cause if I remember right its not impossible to mix different forms of elemental chakra just usually. So to really get scorch release or anything else were gonna have to take advanced ninjutsu to its very height.
 
2xMachina said:
What's this about everyone sensing chakra?
If it was so, there is no need for Sensor types.

Just because nearly everyone on our team is sensor or has cheat-eyes to do it, doesn't make chakra sensing common.
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Problem is all late-end game threats have those cheat eyes. That also only matters if we become skilled enough to make them invisible.
About half of the Akatsuki are sensors, Orochimaru, Danzo, ,most Jinchurikis , and the sound 4. Thats pretty much every group of villains having atleast some Sensors.
 
Stasis said:
Sure, that's a way of looking at it. In my point of view, Lightning Blood is so strong because it built on what we've already focused on: Seals. If we weren't good enough with seals it wouldn't have been an option.
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Actually, it was the other way around, once we got the speed up to A we got this choice, at that time the ability was called simply Shushin mastery
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[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.

[x] A Singular Cut. This trait allows the user to, in conjunction with chakra flow, appear to have attacked in two directions at once with a powerful sword strike.

[x] Dance Between Raindrops. This trait allow the user to more effectively evade the aim of their enemy, their speed confusing the targeting ability of their opponents even further.
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The thing is that after a while @Redshirt Army decided to write an omake that became canon, quoting him: "In which I try to justify how we got to A-Rank speed after like a couple goddamn months of being a genin."
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In which I try to justify how we got to A-Rank speed after like a couple goddamn months of being a genin.

Swift

Hisana wasn't built for strength. It was genetic - not that she was a girl, because once chakra enhancement entered the picture, baseline differences like that became negligible, but that the Uchiha Clan in general had a tendency to lean more towards lanky speed then bulky strength. And while her chakra control was good, it wasn't anywhere close to Sakura's "perfect control" - given her rate of progress there, there wasn't a chance in hell of her copying Tsunade's technique unless she spent a few years doing nothing but chakra control exercises.

She didn't have access to any of the esoteric durability enhancing jutsu that popped up in the story from time to time either - a bunch of them were bloodline based, and the ones that weren't were often just plain weird. Seriously, how the hell had Konan transferred her conciousness into a mass of paper? Honestly, most of them had some sort of gimmick that defeated them anyway, from what she remembered.

So... speed was her main - perhaps her only - recourse for survival. Be a dodge-tank. It doesn't matter if you can't take hits if you don't get hit. And as an offensive tool, it was even better. The faster ninja controlled the time of the engagement, the place of the engagement, could disengage more easily, achieved surprise more often... the list went on and on. With Iaido becoming her primary sword technique (although she retained a few Kohoha style stances and grips, due to their better integration for ninjutsu), it was clearer then ever that she needed to refine her speed as much as possible.

And if you were someone who wanted to get as fast as possible, as thoroughly as possible, and had access to the Uchiha Clan's remaining archives? There was exactly one place to start. Was there a secret to Shisui Uchiha, the ninja whos reaction times were so fast, he could control his movements in the middle of a Body Flicker?

Unfortunately, it wasn't quite as simple as she had hoped. Shisui's remaining personal effects were sparse indeed, and the Konoha records she could access were blotted out with line upon line of black ink. The Uchiha Police Force records were less censored... but didn't hold much she could use to understand his abilities.

There were a number of explanations - perhaps he or Itachi had gotten rid of anything like that before the coup attempt, or he'd naturally been cagey enough to not write anything down. Maybe Danzo had gotten his hands on it, possibly the Hokage had classified it. It didn't matter. She left the storage rooms no more enlightened then she had entered.

He had undoubtedly been a genius among geniuses, of course... But speed was a physical attribute. It didn't matter how skilled you were, the limiting factor was your body. Since he hadn't been famed for his overwhelming strength as well, it clearly wasn't simply a matter of channeling more physical energy...

Luckily, there was in fact a lead - Shisui's former students, from the genin team he had lead. One member, now working in the Intelligence division, had flatly refused to speak with her. Another was away on an extended mission for the next 2-6 months (she didn't have the clearance for a more detailed timeframe). And so... she raised her arm to the door, and knocked.


The man looked tired and worn, to a degree out of proportion to the age on his file - she'd have guessed him to be at least a decade older, if she hadn't known. His face painted an expression of mixed longing and distrust, which only served to draw more attention to the ruined remains of his eyes, and his movements were shaky in a way that retired ninjas rarely exhibited.

The neighbors had been surprised to see a ninja show up to their apartment building - apparently to them, the person she was here to see was nothing more than a blind old civilian.

Nonetheless, he was able to orient on her and move around with an ease that belied a decent degree of sensing skill, and while small, the apartment was well cared for. "There's no point in being polite, kid. I know I look like shit. This is what happens when you get a neurotoxin straight to the optic nerves. Now shut the door, there's a draft."

Hisana was suddenly struck with an intense sense of awkwardness. She'd come with the intention of simply leading into a few questions about Shisui, but now... it felt disrespectful as all hell. Should she ask about the injury, how he was coping? No, of course not, he'd be well and truly sick and tired of inquiries about it at this point. So-

"So who are you, anyway? Here to finally shut me up for good, or what?"

Right. Introductions.

"Um. I'm Uchiha Hisana, Genin, Student Mentorship Team Seven."

He leaned back at bit at her rank, an eyebrow twitchily rising over the ruined gash in his face. "Huh. Not bad. Had you pegged as a chunin, or one of the masks." His expression darkened. "And what's one of our village's prestigious graduates doing talking to someone like me?"

'I was hoping to pry some secrets about your mentor out of you' seemed like the wrong answer, but she had in fact come up with a more thoughtful alternative. "I was looking into the surviving associates of some of the Uchiha clans more well known figures. I spoke with the Hokage, and he permitted me to put together a memorial anthology."

The Hokage had in fact given her permission to ask around, when she asked him a bit over a year ago. At the time, it was an excuse to poke around some of the items in storage, but it was pulling double duty now.

"...huh. Yeah, I can spare some time to say a thing or two about sensei. The man was incredible, really. Insane, but incredible."

"Insane?" It was an honestly questioning tone. From everything Hisana knew about Shisui, both in this world and from her memories, Shisui had been an unusually level-headed, practical, and generally good person. Still, from one of his students... this was worth listening to.

"He was a genius through and through, and that made him naturally inclined to be a godawful teacher. When Masaru didn't immediately get water walking, it took him two weeks to figure out how to break it down into simple enough steps to explain it." The years briefly began to recede from the man's face, as he took on the wistful countenance of someone lost in memory.

"He hated that he wasn't able to do something well immediately, although he tried to hide it. It was kinda... cute, almost. He'd have a different handbook on teaching methods on him every day, and apparently he sat in on Academy lectures a bunch of times to see how they did it." A smile. "He wasn't much older then us at all when he was initially put in charge, and one of our clients mistook me for the team leader once, since I was the tallest on the Team. He went with it, put me on the spot, and made me have to scramble to act like I thought a jonin would. He called it leadership and infiltration training once we were finished."

Hisana nodded, diligently taking notes. (The odds of him not noticing her pen not moving, with chakra enhanced hearing and years of experience blind? Infintesimal.) "Heh. Sounds like a good story, I'll definitely include that. But you said he was insane? That all sounds pretty normal." She considered her words. "Positively well adjusted, considering his childhood prodigy status."

He snorted. "Nah, he was as crazy as the rest of them, just hid it better. He messed with jutsu modifications live - no theory work, no planning, he'd just modify the handseal sequence to make a lightning bolt curve or whatever - apparently by feel. Should have blown himself up ten different ways, but he had the devil's own luck. He had to be hospitalized, though, once, right before we were supposed to go on a mission, because he'd almost torn open his second Gate while 'messing around with his chakra' - his words, not mine."

Hisana's eyes opened wide. This was exactly the sort of information she'd been looking for. Just a subtle probe... "Wow. But it worked, didn't it? Nobody was able to keep up with him - especially with the Shunshin."

The older man's expression immediately snapped shut. "... Did you come here just to pry that secret out of me?"

Shit. Damage control. "Not at all. I was-"

"You were just leaving is what you were. Get out!" His trembling fingers reached to his waist, before grasping at nothing, no weapons being holstered there.

No. She needed this. She knew what kind of insanity lay ahead, the kinds of foes that would be coming up, and without skills of this caliber, as many as she could scrounge up, she was as good as dead - she was the reincarnation of a 14 year old civilian, instead of the child of practically a goddess. "Please!" She realized, belatedly, that she was on her knees.

He stopped.

"Please! I really do care about what you're saying - I lost everyone, and I was eight years old, without a Sharingan! I'm forgetting them, day by day! These memories you're sharing, you and other people, I need them, to understand. And..." She took a deep breath. "And I'm going to hunt down the person who did this, and make it so he can't hurt anyone else the way he hurt me again." Not Itachi, though of course she didn't say that - Danzo Shimura. That old bastard was responsible for half the things that went wrong in the story, had his hooks impossibly deep in Sarutobi, leaving her living in constant suspicion and suspense, and had ordered her mother killed.

"And I'm not strong enough. I'm not a genius, like Itachi, or like Shisui. So please. You said there was a secret."

The former shinobi took his time considering his approach, before finally shaking his head. "No. I'll tell you, but you can't use it. Not if you really aren't on his level of brilliance. He had this technique - I don't know what he called it, he never told me the name - where he'd mess with the chakra near his own brain directly. He was on a whole other level when it comes to genjutsu, which is messing with other brains. and he applied that skill there, although it was both physical and mental energies. Apparently, if he held it just right, he'd speed up his processing speed a shitload. Couldn't hold it too long before his brain would melt, of course, but for a couple of microseconds, for the shunshin?"

Hisana blinked. She vaguely realized her expression was horrified. "That's... he did that manually, through pure chakra control? He could have died! He should have died! If anything interrupted him at all-"

He sighed. "Like I said. He was insane."

She picked herself up. "That's..."

He finished the sentence for her. "That's not something you can use. I don't keep this quiet because it's some super special technique he wanted hidden - if he could spread it to every ninja in Konoha, he would have. I keep it quiet because I don't want some kid's death on my conscious." He continued, quietly enough that the average chunin wouldn't have heard, "Not a single one more."

"That's... Yes, I'll take that into consideration." The shaking hesitancy in her voice wasn't entirely faked. "I'll... I'll be going now. And I won't do anything rash." If he could tell that she was lying, he didn't mention it.

She'd use it. She couldn't not use this knowledge. But, to be fair, she had some advantages. The Sharingan, for one - it already slowed down her relative experience of time. If she mapped what parts of her brain had different chakra flows when she had it active, and filtered out the ones associated with memory...

For another, she already had experience making seals that altered internal chakra flows. Shisui might have done it manually, because he was a lunatic, but a seal could do the same thing with a greatly reduced chance of catastrophic failure. Yes, this could work. All she'd need...

She stared at the distant figure, clad in all green, speeding down the Konoha streets. All she'd need was to train her body enough to handle the speed and stress of repeated Shunshins. The tracksuit didn't have to be green, right?
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So we got the OP ability, it was only afterwards that it was transformed into a seal thing...
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Actually, it was the other way around, once we got the speed up to A we got this choice, at that time the ability was called simply Shushin mastery


The thing is that after a while @Redshirt Army decided to write an omake that became canon, quoting him: "In which I try to justify how we got to A-Rank speed after like a couple goddamn months of being a genin."


So we got the OP ability, it was only afterwards that it was transformed into a seal thing...
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Ah, right. My mistake there!
 
pancakes said:
The combination of Wind Chakra flow and Fire chakra flow would be scorch chakra flow. It's not about scorch release but thats what happens when you combine the 2 chakra natures.
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Kakuzu could combine wind and fire chakra. It just made really big fireballs as the wind whipped the fire up bigger. Combining chakra does not a bloodline limit make.
Stasis said:
We have jutsu for ranged stuff, and our build is specifically 'run at people and hit them with Sword' so to replace it with something that does a worse job to more enemies slower is counterproductive.
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Where does it say slower? You've said several times, and I'm not sure where you're getting it. We're controlling the chakra with our Lightning-Blood seal boosted mind, and it's not weighed down by a physical form, if anything it should be faster.
 
Odysseus2099 said:
Kakuzu could combine wind and fire chakra. It just made really big fireballs as the wind whipped the fire up bigger. Combining chakra does not a bloodline limit make.
Where does it say slower? You've said several times, and I'm not sure where you're getting it. We're controlling the chakra with our Lightning-Blood seal boosted mind, and it's not weighed down by a physical form, if anything it should be faster.
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We're not 'controlling it with our mind', and if it doesn't have physical form, how do you expect it will do any damage to anything?
 
[X] The Last Stand of Sakura Haruno

[X] Chakra Cables. You are now able to anchor your chakra threads to objects, and pull on them. Pulling on objects heavier than you will result in you being pulled forward. The cable can support your weight, and the ability to use it to push could be developed.

In the end, decided to vote for 3d mobility, a fight against Hisana is never a fight on the ground, but in all 3 directions now.
 
[x] The God of Shinobi Fights One FInal Battle...!

[X] Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow. This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.

Because it sounds awesome.
 
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