I see no reason in general why Viserys would cleave to the concept of keeping people squalid and lingering in the dirt when he could build a civilization that brings wealth and prosperity to the average man who just had the good fortune to be born under his rule, without having to fear this wealth being taken away from him at the merest whim of his "social superior". Yet...

I guess it's hard to erode that tendency to think of "lofty matters for the nobles" and "mundane matters for the commons", but it won't be necessary if he manages to institute his rule across the planet. Maybe he'll introduce noblesse oblige to the aristocracy? A concept that, frankly, doesn't actually exist in ASoIAF for the most part, there's no social contract over the duties of a ruler and lord, despite there being societal expectations between other nobles not to break certain codes and oaths... upheld between one or more nobles and another.

The closest we hear to this is the concept of a "good king", a "just ruler", but this is always spoken of by either ignorant commoners who's sole barometer with which to measure a good lord is that they don't execute them over perceived slights, rape their wives and daughters and ensure food keeps getting put on the table throughout their lands. Or by other nobles who's sole measurement is skewed away from any kind of social contract between the King and the common people, and focuses more on how the King treats his vassals.

Viserys is the genuine article King that Varys tried to raise artificially in Essos, though that person who claims to understand the plight of the commons had yet still ultimately turned out sheltered.

Every luxury Viserys enjoys however was wrought by his own hard work, and he surrounds himself with people of low birth and can't help but upraise their social status just to justify treating them as equals. It's like some kind of divine comedy. Even when the exact set of circumstances that Varys wanted a ruler to go through in order to "break the wheel", there's just never any guarantee someone with all that power will even want to. Though I guess technically that's just show Varys. Book Varys does a ton of shit that doesn't in anyway give the notion that he gives a crap about the common folk, only that he's a through and through Blackfyre loyalist for... reasons.

[X] Goldfish
 
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Noblesse oblige exists in ASOIAF as an ideal. Most nobles are just bad at following it. However there is a reason Jaehaerys the Conciliator and Good Queen Alysande are remembered with such fondness. Further we see people trying to live up to those values,like Aegon the Fifth. Alas it often ends badly.
 
It only ended badly for Egg because he couldn't turn into a motherfuckin' fire breathin' Dragon!
 
[X] Plan Cleanup
-[X] Richard, Waymar, Tyene
--[X] Organize the locals to find and burn all the bodies strewn about the town least they rise as undead
--[X] Keep an eye open for Maneads, but don't engage them if they don't start anything or hinder the ckeanup.
-[X] Viserys and Dany
--[X] Teleport to SD
--[X] Drop off the turtle bag, preferably with someone who can keep them docile
--[X] Question the skull
--[X] Sleep on the bedroll
--[X] Hunt remaining Meneads
 
@DragonParadox, upon rereading I just noticed I messed up a phrase.

"Simple tenants" was not meant to mean "simple people", but "simple principles".
I want to write "tenet" as in "tenet of faith".
 
Dang, I am sorry for ever doubting you guys and Visery's social stats.

Still can't believe that worked.

[X] Azel

maybe also have Lya check if the Meanads are victims?
 
@Dapra it would probably be eiser (read: faster) to just ask Yss if these are victims or monsters.

We can decided if we sacrafice their lives to restore their souls, or their ev everything for teh shiny.
 
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Viserys could probably talk the pants off of a Septa.

Too bad they don't wear pants.
 
[X] Azel

To those who name voted me before I woke up, thanks for the vote of confidence! :)

But Azel pretty much has what my plan would have been already typed up, so...

BTW, @Azel, the final line of your plan, "[] Hunt remaining Meneads", might need a bit of clarification. We don't want just Viserys and Dany hunting them alone. After recovering our spells, we should be coming back to Westhaven and working with Richard and Waymar to hunt them.
 
Yeah... at this point if it's not Azel, it's you I throw my weight behind. Kind of a static voter bloc though, huh? Why I try to mix things up and make my own plans sometimes.

So wait, after we're done cleaning up the mess at Westhaven, what's next on our agenda again? I think we still have to tie up the Dracolich loose end? And the code of laws. But I have yet to be surprised when bureaucracy takes a position on the back burner.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Sep 18, 2017 at 7:12 AM, finished with 23 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Plan Cleanup v1.01
    -[X] Richard, Waymar, Tyene
    --[X] Organize the locals to find and burn all the bodies strewn about the town least they rise as undead
    --[X] Keep an eye open for Maneads, but don't engage them if they don't start anything or hinder the cleanup.
    -[X] Viserys and Dany
    --[X] Teleport to SD
    --[X] Drop off the turtle bag, preferably with someone who can keep them docile
    --[X] Question the skull
    --[X] Sleep on the bedroll
    -[X] Return to Westhaven
    --[X] Dany will use Divination to determine if the remaining Maenad are still on Westhaven
    --[X] If they are, Viserys, accompanied by Richard, Tyene, and Waymar, will hunt the remaining Maenad
    [x] Organize the locals to find and burn all the bodies strewn about the town least they rise as undead
 
So wait, after we're done cleaning up the mess at Westhaven, what's next on our agenda again? I think we still have to tie up the Dracolich loose end? And the code of laws. But I have yet to be surprised when bureaucracy takes a position on the back burner.

Dracolich is next on the list.

We should also be picking up Aberi's crew from Molten Skies pretty soon. That shouldn't really be an action, though, just a few spells to arrange transport, hopping over to get them, then hopping back to SD.

It's too early in the day for me to remember much else, but I think the Westeros tour is on the near future list; at least a visit to Runestone and Dorne.

Another task that shouldn't really be an action is visiting the Archons over in Mantarys to get them to check out our Elysium fruit.
 
Updated plan, with @Azel's blessing. Only change was to specify how Maenad are hunted. Tyene and Waymar need the XP. Any other suggestions?

[X] Plan Cleanup v1.01
-[X] Richard, Waymar, Tyene
--[X] Organize the locals to find and burn all the bodies strewn about the town least they rise as undead
--[X] Keep an eye open for Maneads, but don't engage them if they don't start anything or hinder the cleanup.
-[X] Viserys and Dany
--[X] Teleport to SD
--[X] Drop off the turtle bag, preferably with someone who can keep them docile
--[X] Question the skull
--[X] Sleep on the bedroll
-[X] Return to Westhaven
--[X] Dany will use Divination to determine if the remaining Maenad are still on Westhaven
--[X] If they are, Viserys, accompanied by Richard, Tyene, and Waymar, will hunt the remaining Maenad
 
Troll Maenad while we fight them?

She should learn to be a bard. Inspire courage by making insulting innuendoes about the enemies mothers.
 
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