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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] No, you can do without Zherys' offerings

I'd like to think we haven't fallen so far down the dragon path that we're willing to let a man die a slow and agonizing death for some extra cash/artifacts.
 
Goldfish said:
We have Hermetia's loyalty.

Not only did we help her escape an unwanted marriage and got her set up far away from her family, when that same family tracked her down and killed her, we murdered the fuck out of them and returned her to life at no small expense.

If she turns against us over this, or anything else, I will be the first one calling for her death.
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We have her Loyalty, but if this happens she is going to see this as the end result of her selfish desire to run away. Her father slowly tortured to death she will blame herself and force herself to watch. If it doesn't break her it will come very close, she will no longer be the Hermetia that we knew.

Duesal said:
Despite Zherys paying us being part of the deal, the meat of the agreement is securing the inheritance for Hermetia. Why can't we just poison the man ourselves and give him a clean death while still giving Hermetia as much of her inheritance as possible?
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Strangely she doesn't want money covered in the blood and agony of her father... go figure.
 
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dpara said:
because we have no idea how hard it is to do ourselves? and if we get detected we have little idea about the entanglements that would result?
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We could always pick up Garin for a brief stealth run, and Vee has Lay of the Land. I like our chances.
dpara said:
I mean theoretically we could also just fireball him before "it get's good" and then leave with a "whatcha gonna do".
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*wince* That would publicly blow our chances of giving Hermetia a fair shot at her inheritance.

Also, I want to point out my major concern to you guys.
DragonParadox said:
"I could ensure that he died painlessly in his cell the night before his execution... the revenge of Ymeri it could be called. Yet it will not be without risk. Do you trully value such a thing over more substantive offerings?"
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Yes, of course Hermetia values a clean death for her father over her inheritance. However, as her current guardian it's our job to secure her future for her. It's our job to make sure she can get enough of her inheritance to live comfortably. The way this is worded makes it seem like Zherys is offering an either-or kind of deal, and in the last update alone it's been proven to us that we need to be very careful in our wording when making deals with him.
 
[] No, you can do without Zherys' offerings

Edit: Now abstaining.
 
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Evaunit02mark1 said:
[X] No, you can do without Zherys' offerings

I'd like to think we haven't fallen so far down the dragon path that we're willing to let a man die a slow and agonizing death for some extra cash/artifacts.
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This isn't some kindly old man. This is a Grade A asshole who was complicit in some really terrible shit, that culminated in the murder of his daughter at the claws and blood sucking tongue of an unholy abomination. He deserves what he gets.
 
Or, you know, we stop acting like a triggered White Knight whenever prompted.

It's seriously annoying that nobody gives one whiff about the morals unless DP rubs your nose into the issue.
 
Azel said:
Or, you know, we stop acting like a triggered White Knight whenever prompted.

It's seriously annoying that nobody gives one whiff about the morals unless DP rubs your nose into the issue.
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No, it's pretty consistent with Viserys's character, in that he prioritizes what "his people" want, be that sparing their obviously evil undead sister, or helping their father get a clean death.
 
It's not so much that people don't care about morals--or well, maybe they don't? I think people just care about other people, especially in the context of quests, because it's all extremely character-driven. People around here seem to be well aware of the dangers of the Chaotic/Lawful Good/Evil spectrum, with no one wanting to limit themselves to motivations that are either purely selfish, or purely altruistic, or purely villainous/heroic. So there's a compromise, a desire to roleplay a character who puts individuals that they can match name and face to above material desires and personal advancement.

Or that's just how I rationalize my feeble decision making. From a purely meta perspective, I too want the shiny. From a narrative perspective, if I had the power to do something to help someone, and I liked that person, I would find a way to help them, even if it was risky. How I rationalize that is even simpler, funnily enough. Viserys takes risks all the time. Though uh, in this case he usually takes the risks on himself, so I'm not totally comfortable with putting the onus entirely on Dany either.
 
Ouch...
This certainly is a rather ridiculous situation.
Adhoc vote count started by TalonofAnathrax on Sep 11, 2017 at 8:02 AM, finished with 53 posts and 18 votes.
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Diomedon said:
No, it's pretty consistent with Viserys's character, in that he prioritizes what "his people" want, be that sparing their obviously evil undead sister, or helping their father get a clean death.
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It's just seriously jarring that I get likes for my "start a civil war for profit" rant from last night from the same people who are now unwilling to throw one known bastard under the bus.

It's not like we want this. This is just how Volantis works.
 
Diomedon said:
No, it's pretty consistent with Viserys's character, in that he prioritizes what "his people" want, be that sparing their obviously evil undead sister, or helping their father get a clean death.
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He also prioritizes what's best for them. In this case, finding a way to give Hermetia's father a clean death while also not leaving Hermetia penniless.

That's what you guys are voting for, by the way. To completely deprive Hermetia of her inheritance. In the last update DP confirmed that Zherys was a stickler for wording and that if we don't explicitly state something in the original deal then all bets are off.
DragonParadox said:
"I could ensure that he died painlessly in his cell the night before his execution... the revenge of Ymeri it could be called. Yet it will not be without risk. Do you trully value such a thing over more substantive offerings?"
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Zherys is making an offer of, "Either your father gets a clean death, or you get your inheritance."

Can we please not blindly agree to making Hermetia a pauper after all this is said and done?
 
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The main issue is that Zherys is obviously exploiting Viserys White Knight tick here. We pulled the same one on the Archons.
 
Zherys only suspects that Viserys is a softy. Personally, I think Viserys has a poker face good enough that the guy doesn't know for sure that we'll put morals ahead of profit. In any case, I think we'd totally take a third option in these situations and say "profit and morals" and damn the consequences--and then we either sidestep the consequences using good rolls or run face first into them.
 
Duesal said:
He also prioritizes what's best for them. In this case, finding a way to give Hermetia's father a clean death while also not leaving Hermetia penniless.
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Viserys is actually not so paternalistic. He listens to people and favors what they want over some vague "what is best."

Her being poorer also ties her closer to us. She isn't going to suffer in poverty. We will have lucrative employment opportunities for us from us, and it will be another favor.
 
Numbness poison. Sneak it into him. I think zherys is the one incharge of his arcane security, so, an invis and dimension door should get it sorted

Both torture and not tortue options can (appear) to go ahead. :)
 
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